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damiendamonster
post Sep 30 2009, 09:58 AM

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Hi guys,

anyone here have try Weider tablet pure- creatine- 150tablets- rm60

according to the intakes manual it shud take 7 tablets a day b4 work out,

wondering does it a good product that worth the price?
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post Sep 30 2009, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(damiendamonster @ Sep 30 2009, 10:58 AM)
Hi guys,

anyone here have try Weider tablet pure- creatine- 150tablets- rm60

according to the intakes manual it shud take 7 tablets a day b4 work out,

wondering does it a good product that worth the price?
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Weider Product use by Professional Bodybuilder. You need an expert guide to use that product.

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post Sep 30 2009, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(arekey @ Sep 30 2009, 01:42 PM)
Weider Product use by Professional Bodybuilder. You need an expert guide to use that product.
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hi arekey,

thanks for yr comment.

so i wondering is that safe to consume the pure creatine according to the manual. or any other recommendation from all of u here.

i need more comments abt this.

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post Sep 30 2009, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(arekey @ Sep 30 2009, 01:42 PM)
Weider Product use by Professional Bodybuilder. You need an expert guide to use that product.
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What is inside Weider products? steroids? super red kryptonite? Cmon, whey is whey, creatine is creatine. The worst thing that you need to do is probably consult a physician if you have certain complications when consuming supplements. You dont need an expert guide or whatsoever bullcrap.

What a joke. cool2.gif

As for creatine, if you want to load, then load. then consume pre and post workout.


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QUOTE(arekey @ Sep 30 2009, 12:42 PM)
Weider Product use by Professional Bodybuilder. You need an expert guide to use that product.
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This is PURE NONSENSE.
Creatine is an nitrogen acid that supplies energy to your muscles and and nerves. Your body itself creates creatine and so when consuming meat although you'd have to consume a huge amount of meat to get the same amount of creatine a tiny scoop can give you. You DON'T need an EXPERT prescription for it. You just need to load, maintain, deload, and repeat. And drink tonnes of fluid at that.

And to recommend Weider just shows how ill-informed you are about creatine. The creatine you get from Weider comes from this 20KG pack which are sold to companies by an OEM brand. They just separate and sell it in cute containers.
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QUOTE(shanecross @ Sep 30 2009, 02:57 PM)
What is inside Weider products? steroids? super red kryptonite? Cmon, whey is whey, creatine is creatine. The worst thing that you need to do is probably consult a physician if you have certain complications when consuming supplements. You dont need an expert guide or whatsoever bullcrap.

What a joke.  cool2.gif

As for creatine, if you want to load, then load. then consume pre and post workout.
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I use to think like that. but on weider product there is something different.
What Weider Product did you use???


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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Sep 30 2009, 03:05 PM)
This is PURE NONSENSE.
Creatine is an nitrogen acid that supplies energy to your muscles and and nerves. Your body itself creates creatine and so when consuming meat although you'd have to consume a huge amount of meat to get the same amount of creatine a tiny scoop can give you. You DON'T need an EXPERT prescription for it. You just need to load, maintain, deload, and repeat. And drink tonnes of fluid at that.

And to recommend Weider just shows how ill-informed you are about creatine. The creatine you get from Weider comes from this 20KG pack which are sold to companies by an OEM brand. They just separate and sell it in cute containers.
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Not on Weider Product. There is a label "For Expert Use Only" on Megamass 4000.
Now i know the lable there for a reason. belief me.

You have to now how to use this weider product before you use it.

That why i'm suggest he get an advice because i've experince it.

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post Sep 30 2009, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(arekey @ Sep 30 2009, 03:28 PM)
I use to think like that. but on weider product there is something different.
What Weider Product did you use???
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I have never used Weider products, in fact I rarely take supplements, I only take creatine on a constant basis which is a Creatine Monohydrate.

Lets take a look at the Weider Creatine Caps. What are the contents? 5 g of Creatine Monohydrate? What is so special about 5g of CM? 4kg of Pure Creatine Monohydrate is 40AUD, do the direct conversion, it still is cheaper.

Lets all move on to the Weider Dynamic Weight Gainer. ( I picked it out from google ). What is so special about it? I am looking at the 1.17lb tub which is the smallest one that has 5 servings of 17g Protein and 99g of carbs per serving. I can get a 4kg whey protein chocolate flavor for only 92AUD, still cheaper.

So whats the big deal about Weider? They have a good marketing team to make the product look so special till some people believe that it is a niche product * So called for PRO BBers only *


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Not on Weider Product. There is a label "For Expert Use Only" on Megamass 4000.
Now i know the lable there for a reason. belief me.

You have to now how to use this weider product before you use it.

That why i'm suggest he get an advice because i've experince it.


I reckon the reason it says that is because it is so high in calories, people might just become a fat f*** rather than a huge lean bber. There is no difference, maybe the only difference is some supp companies throw in some BCAA , some creatine in it, some CEE or trimalate and charge you a bomb.

Disclaimer : I am not putting Weider out of business but I'm just stating facts. So if you still want to use Weider, please do.

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QUOTE(arekey @ Sep 30 2009, 02:28 PM)
I use to think like that. but on weider product there is something different.
What Weider Product did you use???


Added on September 30, 2009, 2:52 pm
Not on Weider Product. There is a label "For Expert Use Only" on Megamass 4000.
Now i know the lable there for a reason. belief me.

You have to now how to use this weider product before you use it.

That why i'm suggest he get an advice because i've experince it.
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Just so you know, "for expert usage only" that tag, is a marketing line. I studied that in 2007 in Marketing Research class.

Joe Weider has also had numerous issues with the law when in regards to his marketing design. He has been sued for false advertising and misleading photographs. His so called "Training Principles" was also not his. It was merely an effort in which he cataloged some old training methods, gave them a fancy name and claimed it was his own.

Joe Weider then used his name, to create bodybuilding shows and then used his shows as a launching pad for his products and promotional activities. Joe Weider is a very intelligent man in this aspect.


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QUOTE(arekey @ Sep 30 2009, 02:28 PM)
I use to think like that. but on weider product there is something different.
What Weider Product did you use???


Added on September 30, 2009, 2:52 pm
Not on Weider Product. There is a label "For Expert Use Only" on Megamass 4000.
Now i know the lable there for a reason. belief me.

You have to now how to use this weider product before you use it.

That why i'm suggest he get an advice because i've experince it.
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Mind to share ur experience?
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QUOTE(shanecross @ Sep 30 2009, 03:58 PM)
I have never used Weider products, in fact I rarely take supplements, I only take creatine on a constant basis which is a Creatine Monohydrate.

Lets take a look at the Weider Creatine Caps. What are the contents? 5 g of Creatine Monohydrate? What is so special about 5g of CM? 4kg of Pure Creatine Monohydrate is 40AUD, do the direct conversion, it still is cheaper.

Lets all move on to the Weider Dynamic Weight Gainer. ( I picked it out from google ). What is so special about it? I am looking at the 1.17lb tub which is the smallest one that has 5 servings of 17g Protein and 99g of carbs per serving. I can get a 4kg whey protein chocolate flavor for only 92AUD, still cheaper.

So whats the big deal about Weider? They have a good marketing team to make the product look so special till some people believe that it is a niche product * So called for PRO BBers only *
I reckon the reason it says that is because it is so high in calories, people might just become a fat f*** rather than a huge lean bber. There is no difference, maybe the only difference is some supp companies throw in some BCAA , some creatine in it, some CEE or trimalate and charge you a bomb.

Disclaimer : I am not putting Weider out of business but I'm just stating facts. So if you still want to use Weider, please do.
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The special about weider product to me is it's work like a magic. I don't know what they put on it but it's special.
You know it if you ever try.
I dislike when people said protien is just a protien, creatine is just creatine. but i respect thier opinion
Can you drive F1 car without stalling the engine just because it's a car??

If Weider have a good marketing team as you say, the wieder product should be popular rite?
But wieder product only popular among Bodybuilder and not here.

I not even know wieder product before this.

So can you name the mass /weight gainer product that does not add fat to your body???



Added on October 1, 2009, 8:38 am
QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Sep 30 2009, 04:06 PM)
Just so you know, "for expert usage only" that tag, is a marketing line. I studied that in 2007 in Marketing Research class.

Joe Weider has also had numerous issues with the law when in regards to his marketing design. He has been sued for false advertising and misleading photographs. His so called "Training Principles" was also not his. It was merely an effort in which he cataloged some old training methods, gave them a fancy name and claimed it was his own.

Joe Weider then used his name, to create bodybuilding shows and then used his shows as a launching pad for his products and promotional activities. Joe Weider is a very intelligent man in this aspect.
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Because he is intelligent, that's why i think wieder product just work.
that my 10cent opinion.

Tq for sharing this info.


Added on October 1, 2009, 8:48 am
QUOTE(jamis @ Sep 30 2009, 04:09 PM)
Mind to share ur experience?
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I've got bloated when first time i use weider mega mass 4000 for 2 weeks!
then i switch to real gain.
later i get advice from my trainer which is weider product user.
he told me the correct way to use it. such as water ratio, timing and how to mix it to make it even more powerfull.

then the bloated issue i had before just gone like forever. turn out i don't take it properly.


I think same goes to wieder creatine. It's stated to take 7cap a day rite?? you have to know when the correct timing to take it and how much water ratio or whether we just take 7 caps 1 shot or devide through out the day.

This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 1 2009, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE(arekey @ Oct 1 2009, 08:35 AM)
The special about weider product to me is it's work like a magic. I don't know what they put on it but it's special.
You know it if you ever try.
I dislike when people said protien is just a protien, creatine is just creatine. but i respect thier opinion
Can you drive F1 car without stalling the engine just because it's a car??

If Weider have a good marketing team as you say, the wieder product should be popular rite?
But wieder product only popular among Bodybuilder and not here.

I not even know wieder product before this.


Added on October 1, 2009, 8:38 am

Because he is intelligent, that's why i think wieder product just work.
that my 10cent opinion.

Tq for sharing this info.


Added on October 1, 2009, 8:48 am
I've got bloated when first time i use weider mega mass 4000 for 2 weeks!
then i switch to real gain.
later i get advice from my trainer which is weider product user.
he told me the correct way to use it. such as water ratio, timing and how to mix it to make it even more powerfull.

then the bloated issue i had before just gone like forever. turn out i don't take it properly.
I think same goes to wieder creatine. It's stated to take 7cap a day rite?? you have to know when the correct timing to take it and how much water ratio or whether we just take 7 caps 1 shot or devide through out the day.
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bro, r u sure that weider's product is only popular among BBs? from what i see, most of BBs got sponsors from Muscletech, BSN companies like that.. smile.gif

maybe ur training+diet+supplements works well..in a way it's a combination of tose things i guess..not trying to offend u but i think it's a matter of preference...
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QUOTE(D_Predator @ Oct 1 2009, 09:51 AM)
bro, r u sure that weider's product is only popular among BBs? from what i see, most of BBs got sponsors from Muscletech, BSN companies like that.. smile.gif

maybe ur training+diet+supplements works well..in a way it's a combination of tose things i guess..not trying to offend u but i think it's a matter of preference...
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That what i said wieder not popular among us but i join bodybuilding group (at Gym) and i have been told it's popular among them because it's fast result. i know wieder product through them not else where.
i wonder where damiendamonster know about this product.

Where i do a research thru internet, i found out that the people dislike wieder mega mass just because it's didn't taste good like other product and it's true. mega mass 4000 has chalky taste.

Yeah you rite training+diet+supplements that work for me and for everybody too
but i'm the supplement guy and belief in supplementation does play role.

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I dislike when people said protien is just a protien, creatine is just creatine. but i respect thier opinion
Can you drive F1 car without stalling the engine just because it's a car??


Funny analogy, anyway...

Now you tell me how much different can whey protein and creatine monohydrate be compared to other brands?

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So can you name the mass /weight gainer product that does not add fat to your body???


You just contradicted yourself. You said that weider is different than other brands in the market. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(shanecross @ Oct 1 2009, 10:10 AM)
Funny analogy, anyway...

Now you tell me how much different can whey protein and creatine monohydrate be compared to other brands?

The result that the product produce per serving.

QUOTE(shanecross @ Oct 1 2009, 10:10 AM)

You just contradicted yourself. You said that weider is different than other brands in the market.  cool2.gif
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Where are the contradict?? Wieder bring faster and noticable result that other brand that i use.

You are well-inform rite, So why you not answering the question??

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hi guys thanks for ur infos..
much appreciated, i wud say nice debates . u guys are really well informative abt all this supplements stufff.

arekey i came to know this brand thru a oldtime bber it recommended me to give a try. i didnt know much abt all this stuff so i wud thinkhere is a good medium to find out more from u guys.

thanks

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QUOTE(damiendamonster @ Oct 1 2009, 11:15 AM)
hi guys thanks for ur infos..
much appreciated, i wud say nice debates . u guys are really well informative abt all this supplements stufff.

arekey i came to know this brand thru a oldtime bber it recommended me to give a try. i didnt know much abt all this stuff so i wud thinkhere is a good medium to find out more from u guys.

thanks
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Just what i expected. smile.gif
I suggest you get them to advice you how to consume that creatine or you end-up bloated.
I guess you have to know how much water ratio you have to consume while taking this wieder creatine.
So good luck.
BTW i recommend to you wieder mega mass 4000 since you start with wieder product. wink.gif
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QUOTE(arekey @ Oct 1 2009, 09:50 AM)

The result that the product produce per serving.

Where are the contradict?? Wieder bring faster and noticable result that other brand that i use.

You are well-inform rite, So why you not answering the question??
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Okay, I don't understand your English, but I'm assuming you mean the amount of protein density per scoop.
Why don't you tell us? We're not Weider advocates.

Here's something for you Damien.

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And what you said "All weight gainer makes you gain fat as well" is true.
However, you're also the one that said "Weider products are different"
Which means, Weider products do NOT make you gain fat.
Or on the other end of the scale, it could mean, Weider products MAKE you gain even MORE fat than usual.

So which is which?
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Oct 1 2009, 11:35 AM)
Okay, I don't understand your English, but I'm assuming you mean the amount of protein density per scoop.
Why don't you tell us? We're not Weider advocates.

And what you said "All weight gainer makes you gain fat as well" is true.
However, you're also the one that said "Weider products are different"
Which means, Weider products do NOT make you gain fat.
Or on the other end of the scale, it could mean, Weider products MAKE you gain even MORE fat than usual.

So which is which?
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Sorry for my bad english

I put is as simple as i can
I use Mega mass 4000 (18 Serv) and after use it half container i gain 3 kilos
I use UN Real Gain (21Serv) after completed 1 tube i gain 3 Kilos

So which one is better???

By using Bio-impendence weight scale i got this:

When I use Mega mass I gain 2% bodyfat and 3% Musclemass (1/2 Container)
When 1 use UN Realgain, I gain 3% bodyfat and decrease 1% Musclemass (full)

but don't get it wrong. when i calculate using what have in vince demonte book:

Wieder megamass, i gain 10% Lean muscle
UN Real Gain, i gain 7% lean muscle

to answer the question amount of protein density per scoop. i prefer per serving.
Megamass has 24g of protien per serving
UN Realgain has 60g of protien per serving

So to conclude this Wieder Megamass Produce less fat than Un Real Gain

I think Weider mega mass just applied the science what i read at menshealth magazine which is
"Our body can take 20g of protien per day while consume more than that not affected your health."

So when i said Wieder Megamass is special, i refering to the fast result and rock pound muscle that the product bring it to me.

If you ask me the detail what they pun on megamass 4000, i don't really know, but this stuff work like a magic.


Maybe it's the wieder product meant for serious bodybuilder. just my opinion

I don'e compare it with On Whey because it's different category.
Megamass and UN Real Gain is Protien blend mass gainer while On Whey is Protien.

So does i made you clear on this?

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QUOTE(arekey @ Oct 1 2009, 12:24 PM)
Sorry for my bad english

I put is as simple as i can
I use Mega mass 4000 (18 Serv) and after use it half container i gain 3 kilos
I use UN Real Gain (21Serv) after completed 1 tube i gain 3 Kilos

So which one is better???

By using Bio-impendence weight scale i got this:

When I use Mega mass I gain 2% bodyfat and 3% Musclemass (1/2 Container)
When 1 use UN Realgain, I gain 3% bodyfat and decrease 1% Musclemass (full)

but don't get it wrong. when i calculate using what have in vince demonte book:

Wieder megamass, i gain 10% Lean muscle
UN Real Gain, i gain 7% lean muscle

to answer the question amount of protein density per scoop. i prefer per serving.
Megamass has 24g of protien per serving
UN Realgain has 60g of protien per serving

So to conclude this Wieder Megamass Produce less fat than Un Real Gain

I think Weider mega mass just applied the science what i read at menshealth magazine which is
"Our body can take 20g of protien per day while consume more than that not affected your health."

So when i said Wieder Megamass is special, i refering to the fast result and rock pound muscle that the product bring it to me.

If you ask me the detail what they pun on megamass 4000, i don't really know, but this stuff work like a magic.
Maybe it's the wieder product meant for serious bodybuilder. just my opinion

I don'e compare it with On Whey because it's different category.
Megamass and UN Real Gain is Protien blend mass gainer while On Whey is Protien.

So does i made you clear on this?
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Weider Megamass has 1640 calories per serving (442g serving size)
UN Real Gains have 610 calories per serving ( 155g serving size)

Do the Math.

Your claims about the amount of bodyfat gained for both supplements are unjustifiable.

Kmaru doesn't take Weider, Darklight79 doesnt take Weider, Bata doesn't take Weider.


They all are as serious as anyone could be in Bodybuilding.
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Have you taken other variables into consideration such as;

- Training intensity
- Rest period
- Macronutrients from other foods
- Vitamin supplementation
- Training phase
- Stress levels

All these can make a difference in the muscle that you gain. What are the variables in the Weider supplementation that allowed that difference in volume of muscle gained?

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