By the way, I'm a product of IPTA. I am not helping IPTS, but just want to make the thing clear.

On the other hand, i think the concept of students must dress humblely, cover until knee, and must hold their own status is just some people's opinion.
The code of behavior is being misleaded in the outer behavior.

How about internally? By dressing smartly, do you treat your friends sincerely? do you talk nicely at the front and talk bad at lecturer's back?

If you been to singpore NUS and NTU, you will know that non of them are blamed for wearing casual like shorts. Ok, their lecturer are wearing jeans and T-shirt.

Did not been US? The stanford university does not have any border of university, do you still think that the university students should be fenced and not mixed with the society?

well, you should broaden your mind. Do you think when you join the company, they will look at how you dress, what you eat? They will see whether you can work, whether you can communicate, whether you are able to complete the tasks, responsible...

Living luxuriously is just less then 5% of the populations, it is not because they are in IPTS. It is because they are rich... and they are pampered by their rich family. Do you still think everyone can live luxuriously? How many percent of the people are rich?

In taiwan university, they are allowed to make up in their classes, the stars can come into their university. Can you say they are bad people? Of course no, their graduates are the fundamental of the country.

Even if you go to Indonesia university, they called their lecturers "pak" which means someone respected and treat them as friends.. DO you still think that formality is a must?

You believe in your own standards (dress properly etc) but other places insist friendliness, free thinking, etc.. Do you still think what you think is absolutely correct?

Everything got good and bad, doesn't it? If given a chance, which of about types of university would you choose? answer to yourself..

I read in Malaysiakini newspaper there were lecturers in IPTA who MUST pass certain students regardless of their result. No need to resit. How can that be good?

yupe..

this is 50 steps laughing at the 100 steps..

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Added on December 12, 2009, 3:51 pmEntering IPTS is very helpful and unavoidable in the following cases:

1) student is not accepted to IPTA. (private school students, some other reasons ++)
2) student does not get the course their like. ( they want to be engineer but they get offer for socialist)
3) student is assigned to a very far university. (like east/west Malaysia, vice vesa)
4) student want the chance for going overseas. (Twinning program)

I see many penang people prefer to stay in Penang. If they are not accepted to USM, they will opt for KDU or INTI. Some KL people are assigned to Sabah, and they finally choose to stay with MMU/UTAR.

For IPTA, you have very least option to what you can study.

But your choice is unlimited for IPTS.

See.. not everyone is so lucky to get to the right university and the right course they want. With a few tens of extra money, they have the right to choose. (u can become engineer, doctor, marketer.)

It is not always the quality issue. And PTPTN does provide a financial assitance for those who are in need.

The people who get the right uni and right course when they apply for IPTA is rare (<20%). 30-40k worth for a whole life career type at your own hand. Think about it...

Not like last time, no IPTS, you get what you must go, no PTPTN also. If you don't get IPTA, no future at all. Here is the use of IPTS..



This post has been edited by epalbee3: Dec 12 2009, 03:51 PM

This is very true for student siting for the Chinese UEC certificate that other countries recognized but not by our government. In fact some countries so love UEC certificate that they are more than willing to grab them aka Singapore. If they don't go overseas, then they ended up at IPTS.

all certs are just a toilet paper.

Its no value if it is without shit on it

working experience more important

Degree with working experience vs no degree with working experience. Which do you go for as an employer?

depends on the position applied for. for professions, you will need the certs...

an employee don't want to see your cert after your interview.

they just want to see you have the capability to complete the required job.

for an example, you can see that some news reporter like ong ching yee, she has a degree, but she never need to show it anymore.

or credit card promoters, they just need to use their communication skill to grab enough customers; this knowledge cannot be grabbed from book.

boosting your cert after joining the workforce is sometimes a mistake that the new graduate makes.

For example, do you need a plumber that know how to fix the pipe leakage or a plumber that has a lot of certs but only good in theory?

whatever it is, whether it's the degree or whatever certs, they are just a ticket to get u to the interview (It's different story if u hv got ivy league or oxbridge degrees). Once you get onboard, you must know how to steer your course in order to get to your destination or goal.

Well said, degree is just a ticket for us to get a proper job at current market. other than that by having a degree you can demand for your pay increase because even if having 8 years and more experience in the related job field but it does guarantee you to have similar pay just as your fellow colleague who have the same experience as you but with a degree on hand.

here's a cool story about IPTA,

my cousin studied in UiTM and got DL for every semester for her diploma, with that she applied to many UK unis and got accepted by good ones such as UCL and Manchester, and with that she got scholarship to study at UCL, i believe chances to go overseas are great if you work hard enough as my cousin who's from the dubbed "crappy" Uni UiTM got through to UCL by her diploma alone.

SOME private universities like Monash,Nottingham are very good, easily employable blabla ayda yada etc
SOME public universities like UM, UTAR( wait it's half IPTA half IPTS ) are very good,
easily employable nlanla yada yada etc


Actually it depends individually

Is your cousin a Bumi or Non-bumi when applying for the scholarship? And who gave this scholarship?

My cousin is a Bumi, her sponsor is JPA i believe.

What is available to Bumi are often not available to non-Bumi so your example may not be possible for others when it comes to scholarship.


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Dec 23 2009, 09:47 PM

Well yes i suppose i should've stated that it was for bumis, but it could also give an idea to bumis who are on the fence wether IPTA or IPTS.

in my class Sem 2 i think 80% of my classmate failed that course including me. so i guess that statement is not 100% true..
through out my years, i also have to repeat couple of papers.....

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Added on December 23, 2009, 10:26 pmUiTM i guess their student are equip by communication skills, most of other IPTA just focusing on papers only including my U.
But in the end actually, how we presented ourselves is important , doesn't matter where are u graduating from... it wouldn't matter

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Added on December 23, 2009, 10:32 pmactually in my U (ipta) after semester 3, all courses conducted in English.. but depends on the lecturer... but if u know u cannot converse in english .. y not learn it by yourself.. y all things have to be spoon feed?

This post has been edited by laksaUTARA: Dec 23 2009, 10:32 PM

IPTA kinda sux.... I prefer IPTS... But my family cannot afford me to study at IPTS..

English must be good, if english is not good, then during the interview, most probably they will say bye before you could say hi. so it doesn't matter if it is IPTA or IPTS, just be a person who loves knowledge and be independent and confident, then no one can bring you down. Just feel grateful that you are able to further your studies and make use of the chance well.

after all we should not wait for opportunity, rather we should make oppurtunity come flying to us by upgrading our self.

act ipts n ipta almost same le..some lecture ipts also concern like ipta..some lecture for both also suck..dfrent mybe rule in ipta more ketat..dats y public see ipta upper~