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post Apr 2 2009, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Apr 1 2009, 04:06 PM)
bro, even JPA scholars go to IPTS, these people are top scorers so please do your research before posting tq...
and i dont think that 1 interviewer can resemble all the interviewer in the job market, so it varies bro...

IPTS fees are high because they didnt get support from govt. but sometimes if you give peanuts you get monkeys bro...
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you haven't see the world boy..
i assume you're an IPTS student or ex-student..
i wanna see u study in IPTA and let see if u could handle the tight schedule and the
hard syllabus..i have friends who are lecturers, research assistand and even master students in IPTS
and the only nice thing i heard from them about the students is they drive nice cars..

i know there are good students in IPTS.. but in malaysia's situation u cant really
compare them..

This post has been edited by slvn: Apr 2 2009, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE(slvn @ Apr 2 2009, 09:40 AM)
you haven't see the world boy..
i assume you're an IPTS student or ex-student..
i wanna see u study in IPTA and let see if u could handle the tight schedule and the
hard syllabus..i have friends who are lecturers, research assistand and even master students in IPTS
and the only nice thing i heard from them about the students  is they drive nice cars..

i know there are good students in IPTS.. but in malaysia's situation u cant really
compare them..
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dude, eventhough im an IPTS student, i have lots of friends studying in IPTA right now, and my cousins are IPTA grads, my uncle is a lecturer in UTM,my sister is a graduate from UITM, i know all about IPTA,their facilities, their lectures, and u wanna talk about tight schedule?? oh please...u think only IPTA have tight schedules???do you have friends taking A-level before? or AUP programme?

U urself dont have strong point to bring up here, please stop posting stuffs that are irrelevant, saying things like "they just drive nice cars" "in malaysia u cant really compare them" are baseless, what type of situation makes these people un-comparable?

calling me boy dosent make you wiser than me, well enough arguing here, sorry for the off topic TS
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post Apr 2 2009, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Apr 1 2009, 04:06 PM)
bro, even JPA scholars go to IPTS, these people are top scorers so please do your research before posting tq...
and i dont think that 1 interviewer can resemble all the interviewer in the job market, so it varies bro...

IPTS fees are high because they didnt get support from govt. but sometimes if you give peanuts you get monkeys bro...
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IPTA tak sediakan A Levels,SAM and stuff
thats why they send em to the IPTS

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Apr 2 2009, 10:57 AM)
dude, eventhough im an IPTS student, i have lots of friends studying in IPTA right now, and my cousins are IPTA grads, my uncle is a lecturer in UTM,my sister is a graduate from UITM, i know all about IPTA,their facilities, their lectures, and u wanna talk about tight schedule?? oh please...u think only IPTA have tight schedules???do you have friends taking A-level before? or AUP programme?

U urself dont have strong point to bring up here, please stop posting stuffs that are irrelevant, saying things like "they just drive nice cars" "in malaysia u cant really compare them" are baseless, what type of situation makes these people un-comparable?

calling me boy dosent make you wiser than me, well enough arguing here, sorry for the off topic TS
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so u're basing ur argument from what they said, and u havent actually been to an IPTA itself?

well hello there black kettle!

i've taught in both IPTA and IPTS. lets argue against me instead wink.gif.
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post Apr 2 2009, 07:38 PM

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for your information
IPTA standard is rising
go google any universities(IPTA) in world rank
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theres a lot of black people,arab and white people who stody in Ipta and they dont understand english
and thats why IPTA use english now
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Apr 2 2009, 11:38 AM)
for your information
IPTA standard is rising
go google any universities(IPTA) in world rank
and yes
theres a lot of black people,arab and white people who stody in Ipta and they dont understand english
and thats why IPTA use english now
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u mean they dont understand BM? that's why IPTAs use english now? correct?




anyway, it is to my understanding that although english helps in communication, it doesnt mean bad english = stupid. u can learn engineering perfectly in BM bcoz being based in math, a universal language. u could learn architecture totally in BM, bcoz being based in drawings, another universal language. whatever language u use, it doesnt really matter if u wanna learn. the japanese learned entirely in japanese, chinese (mainland) in mandarin.

nowadays we use english bcoz of internationalization (i18n). we want to diversify and accelerate our students. but dont confuse it with english=better.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 2 2009, 07:30 PM)
so u're basing ur argument from what they said, and u havent actually been to an IPTA itself?

well hello there black kettle!

i've taught in both IPTA and IPTS. lets argue against me instead wink.gif.
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I have a question, let's make an assumption that I'm graduate from IPTS could I proceed to IPTA to continue the MSc??
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IPTA IS GOV WORK
IPTS IS PRIVATE WORK
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QUOTE(WingKalimdor @ Apr 2 2009, 11:47 AM)
I have a question, let's make an assumption that I'm graduate from IPTS could I proceed to IPTA to continue the MSc??
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yes.

QUOTE(wleong @ Apr 2 2009, 01:15 PM)
IPTA IS GOV WORK
IPTS IS PRIVATE WORK
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not really. for example, in my field, everybody will end up in private sector. the government sector could only accommodate about 5-10% of the graduates.
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QUOTE(Xero @ Apr 1 2009, 03:07 AM)
IPTA uses malay because it is our national language dude, if we use english then this country would become a pirated mat saleh country filled with asians that think they're white ppl, those westerners would laugh at us that we don't have our own language and using theirs. this is not a pirated mat saleh country to be using english, and don't be proud to use english either because ...
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i have to admit you have certain degree of accuracy in ur point of view. however, do realise that english is MUCH important and appropriate to be teaching language (at least in sci and tech). All first handed article in science & tech are wrote in english papers. and how could you translate certain jargon to malay? (note i'm not proposing we throw malay language inside the dustbin, but to emphasise the importance of english in teaching. this make our graduates much more competitive). I still disagree that using english is making our country 'pirated mat saleh' country. are you refering US, UK, aus to be the same country? they do still have their own distinction dispite the same language they use.

QUOTE(Xero @ Apr 1 2009, 03:07 AM)
Here's the truth. IPTA or IPTS. Malaysian people's english sux. Broken and can't even pronounce words properly. "Haiya, dunno lar, have u tried this ar?" Sometimes I wonder who started all these broken english gibberish. Probably from ppl who can't speak english properly. and most malaysians don't speak english properly. To speak english properly you need to also speak it in either the american or british accent, then only the correct pronounciation will come out. Good grammar doesnt equal to good english, imagine some mat saleh speaking malay with very good grammar but still sound like mat saleh accent, that's not proper malay. and also, here's something that most malaysians do, they mix american and british english accent together. hello you can't mix indonesian language with malay language even tho they sound similar. You wanna talk about the real business social, your english better be good like those mat salehs, because america owns the big companies, many american products in malaysia as well, hard to escape from them.
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Language is beauty for some, but it's generally regarded as a means of communication. the key is to get your point straight to the opposite side as far as people understand and not misleading (i'm not promoting grammatical error. anyway there's nothing like perfect grammar) so it's not the accent. it's the language skill one owns. perhaps malaysian student never take an initiative to work on their english. Though i would still insist using english for education will at least improve the problem that "most graduate cannot speak fluent english".

QUOTE(Xero @ Apr 1 2009, 03:07 AM)
That's only what you heard, it doesn't mean that its true, if not where's the proof? I realize that most of these rumours about bad things going on in IPTA comes from mostly the non-malays. Probably cause they don't get much space to get in. I'm a mix, so I see things from both sides most of the time. And don't try to argue about equal rights and all because one thing if you wanna argue about it, I say go read Malaysian History and read American History first, then you talk. Also, You have to know, most IPTS are not credible at all, they don't produce their own degree, that's the thing the difference between IPTA and IPTS. IPTS just borrows degree from overseas universities that are mostly not the top ones and make it under a twinning programme crap. I emailed Hong Kong University, which is one of the top university in the world, number 26 in the world ranking, and I asked them if they recognize my IPTS college, they say they don't, what they recognize from Malaysia are only IPTAs like UiTM and those polytechnic institutes. what a bummer. Only few IPTS are good, and they are the international unis that setup a branch in msia, like monash, nottingham and swinburne, at least they produce their own degree like IPTAs. All those other IPTS are mostly not recognized by overseas unis also except the crappy overseas unis. Taylors is good, because its the oldest IPTS and you know what, universities are good based on how old they are.
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wow. that's clearly stereotype! okay let me just clarify a little. whether who able to get into IPTA or not, it's not up to us to say. but to say 'non-malays' make up rumours about how bad IPTA was, it's clearly wrong. I don't see why would someone NOT being in IPTA giving bad comment about IPTA. it's more to students in IPTA which are not satisfied with their position. things can include from bad lecturers to language to segregation and so on.


QUOTE(Xero @ Apr 1 2009, 03:07 AM)
You wanna compare IPTA with Malaysian IPTS, you can never, because IPTA unis are in the world ranking like UM, UKM, USM, UPM, sure you might say number 200+ is not good, but check again which universities they beaten. There are more than 2100 colleges and universities in the US alone, and our IPTA being number 200-300, means the IPTA already beaten out like 1800-1900 american unis and colleges in the US ALONE. There are also japanese unis that IPTA beaten. and all those other unis in the WORLD that IPTA had beaten. I can't believe many malaysians are so ignorant to see this fact.

In IPTA you can get courses like nuclear science, aerospace engineering, forestry and they do research there too. Most IPTS just functions as a teaching centre, not a research centre, and they teach what courses? mostly just Mass comm, business, Hotel&tourism and Pre-U, and they keep going back to that. IPTA has ALL THOSE COURSES + MORE. You wanna talk about globalization, you need a uni with research capabilities.

The prestigious ivy league unis are one of the oldest universities in america. IPTAs like UM, UKM, UPM and all are way older than any IPTS in the country. UM and UPM dates back to before independence and it used to be british colleges and universities. Older means more experience.

The one possible reason why companies in malaysia would take IPTS students are because the majority of the economy are hold by the chinese community, so most of the company holders are chinese and chinese people not many can get into the IPTA because of the quota, so they pick IPTS students because its their own geng. IPTA students would find work with the government.
The other true reason why IPTA uses malay language is that IPTA produces student for the local job market and not overseas market man. The government want us to study and work here so the public unis aim to do whats right to do. Why in the world would any government would build a university for their people to ciao overseas and never come back? that would be dumb right? If you wanna go overseas then find a way yourself la, learn english yourself, the IPTAs are already cheap enough to give you big campuses that IPTS cannot beat ever, why ask so much.

Even in American Universities people do useless programs like joining fraternities and worshipping nonsense (not to mention the naked run). The thing about the IPTA is that it doesn't matter if you can speak english well or not. The use of malay language there is to preserve the malay language and to be proud of malay language as our national language. and for you to work in Malaysia. If you look at advanced countries like the US and UK, do you see many of their citizens go study 'overseas' ? No, so they get more manpower for their country, taught by their country and work for their country. Why would they want to use japanese language for all their university courses just because japan is advancing a lot.
Also, why do I have to explain all these? if Malaysian people are advanced enough to be GLOBALIZED i think many of them would have figured this out by themselves right.
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first. do not use weird statistic which i don't even know if you did have the reference cited properly. second. I would not use "how many college in US". Rather i'll say. why UM fall out of 200? though this is off topic. anyway, again i don't like stereotype posts. is chinese holding the economy? i saw the statistic of equity for malay ethnics went way up (well...statistic..everyone can lie with it)

also, if the government is so brilliant, they'd use english to teach us because this make us much more competitive. bringing the name 'MALAYSIA' everywhere. at least by then we feel proud because there're malaysian which really done something that's impresive. 'oh! that what MNC company's CEO is a malaysian' or so on so on. why make people of less competitive and lock them in malaysia, take them into gov agency and sit there, while not even picking up my call? (i've js called jpa today. 8 times till someone pick up) If IPTA cannot produce competitive grads internationally, it's a failure (at least for me). Malaysian don't pay tax (which goes into i don't care who's pocket, and into the uni) just for them to produce degree holder which only capable of local market. that's a shame to malaysia. lol. we are the one SHOULD complain because despite the cheap price we pay for IPTA, it's our money. we paid TAX every year (this reminds me of my EA form ==)

back to topic. i wouldn't say ipta or ipts is better. i'd criticize the malaysia education at whole.
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QUOTE(Xero @ Apr 1 2009, 03:07 AM)
Probably from ppl who can't speak english properly. and most malaysians don't speak english properly. To speak english properly you need to also speak it in either the american or british accent, then only the correct pronounciation will come out.
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Oh come on, that's just a ridiculous statement. I have never understood some people's obsession with speaking in "Western" accents.

First of all, can you tell me exactly what an American or British accent is? With the range of accents that it's impossible to say exactly what an American or British accent is.

Secondly, what about other native English speakers like Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, South Africans? Are you suggesting they don't speak proper English because they don't speak with American or British accents?

English is the most widely-spoken language in the world. When a language is so widespread, it is only natural that regional dialects will develop. Malaysian English (not Manglish) is as valid a dialect of English as American English is. In fact, the many accents in England are the product of many dialects of English spoken throughout the land.

There is no need to speak with an American or British accent, whatever that means, in order to speak proper English.

Thirdly, I suggest you take a look at your own English before saying most Malaysians don't speak English properly.
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i don't think it related to which college/university you graduate from. it's all depends on your ability
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 2 2009, 07:30 PM)
so u're basing ur argument from what they said, and u havent actually been to an IPTA itself?

well hello there black kettle!

i've taught in both IPTA and IPTS. lets argue against me instead wink.gif.
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is there a problem using comments from IPTA students and lectures as base for my arguments?

i dont need to argue, if you read my previous comments you'll know that im not picking any sides, i only brought forward pros and consbetween IPTA and IPTS...

what ticks me off is that certain people here are ignorant towards IPTS credibility in providing good tertiary education and keeps on saying IPTA is the best or whatever, they need to know university rankings has no meaning when it comes to the real world, in the end all that matters is your performance and the ability to adapt...


QUOTE(adix4 @ Apr 2 2009, 07:38 PM)
for your information
IPTA standard is rising
go google any universities(IPTA) in world rank
and yes
theres a lot of black people,arab and white people who stody in Ipta and they dont understand english
and thats why IPTA use english now
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and your point is? did i say anything about IPTA standard declining? i know IPTA using english as basis, especially UITM..and thats a good thing..

QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 2 2009, 07:44 PM)
u mean they dont understand BM? that's why IPTAs use english now? correct?
anyway, it is to my understanding that although english helps in communication, it doesnt mean bad english = stupid. u can learn engineering perfectly in BM bcoz being based in math, a universal language. u could learn architecture totally in BM, bcoz being based in drawings, another universal language. whatever language u use, it doesnt really matter if u wanna learn. the japanese learned entirely in japanese, chinese (mainland) in mandarin.

nowadays we use english bcoz of internationalization (i18n). we want to diversify and accelerate our students. but dont confuse it with english=better.
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thats the thing, we can learn anything by using our language alone, but that also causes us to fail learning from experts from overseas, since both are using different technical jargons.. it is not impossible, it is just time consuming.. and in the business world, it means incurring more costs in training..

Using english dosent mean you are better, but it really helps when u want to get yourself into the business world...since communication in business is really important.
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be it english, malay, chinenese, japanese, korean.. it is all bout understanding and how broad the language is.. i admit malay borrow alot of word from other languages, even the indonesian language is broader than malay. there r some term which non existent in malay hence need to be borrowed. so if u understand the term, the formula, the ways of doing things, there is no limitation toward wat language is being use.. jus take the japanese as an example.. alot of english term being directly translated to japs as well.. bac to the mastering of english to converse it without any hesitation, it is all bout confident and the well to learn. y a boy who speak no language can learn so many language once he grow up.. becos without it they fail to communicate their need. so learning english is solely up to the one who r wanting to learn.. even though ur teacher teach bad english .. u still got a lot of source, radio, magazine, tv, internet, cd.. u name it.. so when it come to ipta, ipts.. i c no diffirence jus tat one is supported by government and mean to serve to people and the other is mean to serve the people as wee but with a price.. no standard of teaching is almost the same but depending on the uni, college and those college community. some r really set up jus to make money while giving peanut to the student..
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first choice of course IPTA lorrr...

in terms of oppurtunity, both is same, its all depends on your result,your comm skil,your abilities ..
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first choice of course IPTA lorrr...

in terms of oppurtunity, both is same, its all depends on your result,your comm skil,your abilities ..
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Yes i agree with your view to certain extend. however, do realise education shape a person's ability/personality/whatever. shame to say malaysia education failed to shape student to meet market needs as well to ultilise students to their full potential. (you may substitute it with "not success" if you found "failed" offensive)

Edited: hence, yes IPTA & IPTS do make a differecne. however we have to be specific which to compare. and the methods to compare is crucial to avoid bias

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QUOTE(empirekhoo @ Apr 4 2009, 02:24 PM)
Yes i agree with your view to certain extend. however, do realise education shape a person's ability/personality/whatever. shame to say malaysia education failed to shape student to meet market needs as well to ultilise students to their full potential. (you may substitute it with "not success" if you found "failed" offensive)

Edited: hence, yes IPTA & IPTS do make a differecne. however we have to be specific which to compare. and the methods to compare is crucial to avoid bias
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there's a flaw in that argument, although i do recognize its validity.

what is to say "what the market needs" is the right way to go? take for example in my field of architecture. the market demands architects that can do what the client often wants - renovate a terrace house into a romanesque villa. sure, that's what the market wants, and the ability to fulfill that requirement puts food on the table.

but that's not exactly healthy for the society as a whole. romanesque villa is unsuitable for our climate, not to mention the bizzare out-of-context existence. so in IPTAs we teach them NOT to do romanesque designs, but go for tropical. then the industry complained to the schools that the graduates cant do what they want them to do.

so how?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 4 2009, 10:33 PM)
there's a flaw in that argument, although i do recognize its validity.

what is to say "what the market needs" is the right way to go? take for example in my field of architecture. the market demands architects that can do what the client often wants - renovate a terrace house into a romanesque villa. sure, that's what the market wants, and the ability to fulfill that requirement puts food on the table.

but that's not exactly healthy for the society as a whole. romanesque villa is unsuitable for our climate, not to mention the bizzare out-of-context existence. so in IPTAs we teach them NOT to do romanesque designs, but go for tropical. then the industry complained to the schools that the graduates cant do what they want them to do.

so how?
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Thats why not all can follow what market wants, especially in ur area of expertise shows that certain designs are not suitable for our climate and its true. But in this case we are talking what are the skills needed in the JOB market, and since most organizations requires at least english and malay language in their job requirement,we cant say it is not suitable for the situation in malaysia.

Because who decide the "market" needs in the job market usually decided by experts that know what their company need, so they will demand certain skills that proves beneficial for their companies.. so we cant really compare it with ur example, which based on clients needs and not from experts needs like in the job market..

regardless of what people say, when certain expertise is demanded, it means whoever have that expertise..they will have the advantage in the market, but that dosent mean the market demand will not change, it just give you a little opportunity at that specific time...

and take note, we cant put hope solely on what others can offer, in this case we cant really say IPTA or IPTS gives more job opportunity, what matters the most is whether you yourself have the capability to do the job, and ur knowledge about the job and the company itself. Since most companies(especially the private ones) seeks people based on their capabilities...
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Apr 4 2009, 10:33 PM)
there's a flaw in that argument, although i do recognize its validity.

what is to say "what the market needs" is the right way to go? take for example in my field of architecture. the market demands architects that can do what the client often wants - renovate a terrace house into a romanesque villa. sure, that's what the market wants, and the ability to fulfill that requirement puts food on the table.

but that's not exactly healthy for the society as a whole. romanesque villa is unsuitable for our climate, not to mention the bizzare out-of-context existence. so in IPTAs we teach them NOT to do romanesque designs, but go for tropical. then the industry complained to the schools that the graduates cant do what they want them to do.

so how?
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hm. you are somewhat correct. However, do realise that what i mean by "what the market needs", generally refering to the market as whole. It's like lets say 80% company which hires architects require a certain knowledge. Then it should be taught in universities.

Most universities does teach the major subjects needed for a certain degree. But some does better in emphasising towards market needs. For example, UTP (petronas) does invite professionals from working field to rewise their curricular structure few year once. (I read this somewhere. Of course i'm not sure about the truth, nor i'm promoting UTP) Anyway, it's quite a good move if you ask me.

I wouldn't say it's healthy for the society as a whole but we still need to agree that the industry are absorbing most of graduates. To make graduates "market-able" is to provide graudates with the adeque knowledge that industry needs.

Again, this argument is partly off topic. IPTS and IPTA both have their difference. we should specify a certain course & university to be able to compare it properly. =)
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Hey everyone, is it really true that, if we have a degree from a private university, we have more opportunities to go international, compared to if we own a degree from a public university?

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