lol wat project management dunno dun anyhow say

consultant design n set the specification n standards contractor build n install accourding to the design n specs set by the consultant

Ooo...i see...if i work with contractor then most probably will doing site engineer work?? and will learn little on design compare to consultant?? Some big construction companies like muhibbah, gamuda, mudajaya...they r contractor rite?? but they have their own design team doing design oso leh.....

contractor which have own design team is called "design & build contractor"
its like contractor can propose any other alternative ways to make system works with better system, energy efficiency, double protection or maybe cost saving, engineering is much more bout finding alternative ways to do the way clients wants.
so, what consultant A said doesn't be what consultant B or maybe contractor C thinks and follows, we called it design preference in better words, its a win-win strategy.

So these contractors' design team also doing the same task as consultant lo??

not really main contractor wifout their own design team also can b d&b contractor. they usually look after the civil works. for m&e they jus hire a few m&e staff to do coordination n sum simple design. they can always employ a consultant for them. the dont need to waste $$ to set up a m&e dept.

depending on contract. in d&b usually the client side hire their own consultant whilst the contractor side will also hire their own consultants. usually d&b client side jus come out wif the skeleton. the contractor will develop it from there. so the contractor will rely on their consultant to dev the design tell where miss out to claim vo where to value engineeer etc

I also don't know how to differentiate the engineer who work in consultant and contractor since both also need to do design and go to site as well...

contractor's design team do value engineering and propose alternative ways of designs.
all dwg, authority submission, liasing with internal consultant is done by so called contractor's consultant then.
eg, for my company contractor's design team just study on tender dwg by client consultant and they work merely on alternative ways to come out with cheaper and efficient alternative, and this proposal is then brought up to internal consultant to do all the detailing later, which include conceptual design brief, design drawing, design brief, design calculation up to construction drawings.

and don't think many job have so called internal consultant, unless it's d&b and involving big scale which worth paying the fees.

This post has been edited by firecrac: Mar 27 2009, 09:48 PM

lol u strt work ma know lo.

contractor eng wont really do design.the develop the given design or at most draw what he's gonna install on site.submit calculations,shop drawings, as and any req tat the consultant requires

consultant fully do design.higher lvl ppl will do project management, resources planning, authority approval etç

i got the salary of RM2420 nett.

i not sure bout outside, i myself is in a m&e company by itself, so we have almost everything for m&e company, from design team, to technical, to operation, QA QC, BQ, Claims, all these is done by our own engineers, we carry japanese construction cultural which emphasize on multitasking, we hire internal consultant just to do donkey's job to produce dwg and authority submission, and even internal consultant are seeking our response and reply on every issues pertaining on design or technical issue.

i believe every company carries different cultural and structure, it hard to judge the way how a company structured then..

Eh what? Care to explain a bit. Coz to my knowledge, even the build and install is done by subcontactors, not the main con.

Don't say I don't know, coz I was M&E Engineer. For only 1 month though. Yup, I quit after 1 month. My former company does project management, coordination, monitoring and documentation. As for build and install those are done by subcons not the main con.

This post has been edited by chrishung: Mar 28 2009, 10:25 AM

I'm fresh grad, if i put rm2.1k for an international consultant company is that too much?? Will be attend 1 soon...

Recently attended an interview put rm2.3k, said i expect too high (Not consultant la but it's a large service provider company in oil & gas industry for engineering n construction).

This post has been edited by Alice_1122: Mar 28 2009, 10:28 AM

2.3k?
for consultancy is high i think... ranging from 1.8k to 2k
contractor min got 2.5k i think.. and it is to compensate for the 6 working days, while consultancy normally 5 days

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Added on March 28, 2009, 7:34 pm

as what you describe, ur ex-company might be a main con for m&e !

This post has been edited by firecrac: Mar 28 2009, 07:34 PM

Lol. When I fill in expected salary for my 1st consultant job, I put 2.4k, but dat was b4 da economic turndown.

Actually da easiest way 2 see dat if its a consultant in M & E firms or consultant in Contractor firms, is to see their job scope. M & E firm engineers handles all services while consultants in Contractor firms usually handle onli 1 service be it electrical, fire protection, ACMV, plumbing or lift.

Firecrac, since u say ur company practices japanese standards, is da quality n da management style similar to japanese style?

Oh...2.3k is for an oil & gas company not consultant.
International consultant company also 1.8k-2k? I really don't know what salary to expect

yup.. we practice but we are not japanese company, looks more like cinapek company to me..
toyota is our learning model.

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Added on March 29, 2009, 3:34 pmi am currently compiling a list of contractor in Malaysia and SG for newcomers to seek information for this industry in my blog, i seeking advise for all the sifu here..



no much info for Singapore contractors, hope nicvoo can help us on that to help those job seeker?

This post has been edited by firecrac: Mar 29 2009, 03:35 PM

just wanna ask those experience M&E consultant, are you all PE?

because IEM won't recognise college degree, so i am still thinking whether want to take IEm exam o not!

consult me on this matter

thank

means your x-comp jus get jobs n sub out to other contractors. but still u need to know wat they r doin not only project management. these comps hav big financial backing n rep so r able to get big jobs tat small contractors r not able to. but they mus still hav some man power to back these contractors up n gif the consultants wat they wan.

i started contractor basic 1.8k but wif other allowance. fren started consultant 2k basic + sum travellin allowance

capitaland not contractor la they r developer

u looking for main con?m&e? anyway all can be foud in bca website no need u to compile its already there http://dir.bca.gov.sg/bca/index.asp#
msia also hav a site but not really updated. sum msia ones tat u listed r developers not contractors.

ur england make ppl means we consult or we ask u. so u wan us to ask u or u wan to ask us?

anyway no i not pe. not really planning to take. msia too many pe any tom d*** or harry also pe. make pe worthless liao. summore pe responsibilities after signing is very heavy. i dont hav the shoulders to bear tat burden.

hmm.. ya..
blur.. and sometimes hard to justify whether they are developer or construction, cause most of them are group, they have developer arm and construction arm also.
but developer also hiring m&e engineer in some case, but not technical orientated, more on management orientated.

dev hire m&e cannot say not technical oriented ma say like tat better dun hire m&e jus hire an architect will be even better. they still need them to be technically sound in order to detect any errors mistakes as well as to advice them on the norms codes n regulations which the consultant/contractor overlook.

sum dev get m&e also to join their facilities management.