hand draw.. lolz..
of coz everyone use autocad, but this MEP is fantastic,it really ease much of the work for drafting, more automated and such.. and specially it save the process of coordination by then, but no ppl actively using it so far, that's why wanna find out whether anyone so up to date with this MEP CAD?

fyi, Autocad MEP stands for autocad for Mechanical, Electrical & Plumbing, its a specially made computer aided software for MEP engineering..

well i dont do any drafting lol so i dunno i jus know i hand draw throw to drafter they mus produce it in cad tats all

onli old generation engineers use hand 2 draw la.

not really le,
usually single line services dwg is hand draft what..
impossible to draw double line with hand i think

mean u havent had a chance to c the old skool style of acmv drawings hahaha. i saw a lot when i did sum due diligence work

I M WORKING AT CONSULTANT FIRM. DO TIRED,BUT EXCITING!DRAFTING..I ONLY ASK MY DRAFTER TO DO.EDIT2 SAJE BOLE LOL

ohh.. good good.. welcome welcome
why not we start a list for our member here ?maybe can have gathering next time ?

Consultant
1.nicvoo
2.babytensai
3.squalluz

Contractor
1.firecrac


do copy paste the list then

I still remember the day I help out my boss doing design and built of a project. My boss hand draw every single detail of the lighting points, power points, telephone points, single line and etc while I help him draw out those hand drawn details using Autocad software. It was a nightmare that time as I was struggling between my studies and helping him. Nevertheless it was fun as I get to learn new stuff everyday.

edit edit other project's schemes wont get u far. better take sum time sit down n understand it


lol join the club

wow,i've spent 2-3days to follow up this post,
after I'm assigned to have my industrial training in this field,
so during the coming 4months training period,
i'll contribute the negative parts with you all...
frm a m&e trainee point of view...

self intro: mmu mechanical 3rd year
training allowance: rm400
Perunding Yuli in johor, swt...

lol u practically get to d nuthing haha
1st cant bring u to site too often cos u dun hav insurance if u get hurt or die no payment
2nd unless u know autocad mayb u can help draft a bit
3rd if everyone is too bz ( u can bet they all r cos no one wil b in office) no one will teach u half the time u'll b assigned to do self study

n so on n so forth

i've been a trainee b4 in m&e consultant n now i hav students who come my comp as trainee under me

haha,sounds very bad...
totally office boy gua,
help photostat,dabao lunch,sweep floor...

ned to explore autocad myself then,
my badge only learned manual drawing and catia...
sigh...

btw,the company took 2students(me and my coursemate)
as to fulfilling the empty clerk positions posted in jobstreet...(i guess)
why i so suei one,cham...

i have been in this line as mechanical engineer for almost 3 years immediate after graduated. gave up last year & go join o&g now, switching field. i deeply thanks to current o&g company for willing to consider me though switching field which is totally irrelevant. from 1st interview, iq, english test, group presentation, again interview total 5 or 6 times to there, total almost 6 months before succeeded get the offer letter & quit from M&E line.

initially i was sent to attend M&E induction course. my first week was a 16-block included low-rise, medium-rise & high rise shopping cum apartment. life was tough, need to read lot, bombarded by my immediate supervisor who is Ir.
on & off some checking of design calculation appointed by main-con. call up suppliers for info,quote...
prepare calculations, drawing, BQ, VO, specs, tender report, interview, autocad, lift software, air-con software,...
have audited syabas near 60 water pump stations, been posted to base at site as inspector in one of the KL mega project as site contract staff resigned & lack of manpower to expedite the project. midnite till morning doing testing & commissioning. site allowance was low. anyhow, i just took it that time as i want to gain site experience. counting almost 10 projects i have involved liasing with C&S, clients, with own department colleagues. never thought i learnt so much from these 10 projects. starting pay was RM2.1k in this M&E line though i get another offer 2.5k in penang which i rejected & is in heavy industry.

i learnt a lot during my 3 years though always bombarded by my immediate supervisor, i must thanks him now
life during this 3 years, i can say all what u have learnt in university is almost impractical in this field except some basic concept that u have learnt in uni.

thinking back now been 1 year in o&g, lot of things which i have learnt in this field still useful on & off.

ponder carefully before you join this line, the pay is not on par with what you u expected after u step into it. but you will b rewarded if u r able to switch to other line like me in o&g which the chances is very very low after 3 years. consultant fee in architect, C&S always far better than M&E. at the same time, the Ar. & the C&S who r always the boss are pinching M&E down every time in meeting...
though been away from this line almost 1 year, on & off still got phone calls from some companies to ask me if interested to join back. but o&g still the pay
if u wan to earn Ir, u still can join other field by using log book & get an appointed mentor from IEM.

This post has been edited by ch_teo: Apr 15 2009, 12:13 AM

thanks for the experiences sharing,
u're my super senior...
and glad to heard tat u have shifted to an ideal field...

the mega project stated was smart tunnel?
about the pay,after 3years can be counted as junior executive,
do you mind to remind the figure of the pay?

This post has been edited by BoOn810: Apr 15 2009, 01:07 AM

great sharing..

Be sure to check the drawings as drawings drawn by your drafters might not be error free. Not saying that your drafters are drawings wrongly, but it is the responsibility of the eng to ensure the dwg is error free.

The best is of course a dwg drawn by yourself since you would know the entire system as a whole, but from my experience drawing Air-conditioning drawing is the most tedious since you need to draw the duct size, branch, turns etc.

But in this this line one of the most important things you really need to look out for is COORDINATION. Sizing up the air-con systems, water requirement, fire requirement is the easy part. The hard part is during construction when you need to coordinate with the C&S engineers and architects and clients like:-
1) you need to run your ducts in the ceiling but the beam is too deep and the arch wants a high ceiling
2) Running your discharge from a toilet to the external manhole. All along the way have to avoid beams, low ceilings, basement walls and in some cases, pile caps (there's no way you can run a pipe through a pile cap!!). Unlike cold water pipes, sanitary pipes require a gradient and will slowly drop.
3) your lift motor room is too large and effects the roof of the building, the pit is too deep and makan into the basement, eating previous car park lots
4) AHU room too small or in some odd location where you can't even run a main duct from it to serve an area (architects love to put AHU rooms in obscure corners surrounded by risers and stairs)

One of the ways to avoid coordination issues is take a look at the beam and pile cap layout from the C&S engineer, then overlay your M&E layout into it. Try to spot stuff like your main duct crossing under the beam, pipes risers/droppers crossing beams (you can cross horizontally, but you cannot cross vertically!), check the available ceiling height after you deduct the beam depth, duct depth, hanger depth etc, the list goes on.

sanitary pipes of Petronas Twin Towers would be designed specially beside using gradient method too,haha...

haha.. first thing in m&e, usually u need study more archi and structural dwg more than m&e, worst more with the concept of d&b, even ID u need to study, ID always pain in da a*s -.-
coordination is killing.. take out a car park lot, then have to find blank spot and repay to architects simply because client generate income from parking lots!

mind to share? am electrical boy, doesn't know much bout mechanical system thou.

tat is whr the CSD come in combined services drawing. which needs to be coordinated . during design stage u'll need to meet up wif the archi n c&s o discuss these things b4 tender goes out, no only acmv ducts even elec n fire protection all the cable trays trunkings n sprinkler pipes need to be coordinated not forgetting light fittings. in sg every sq inch is area in counted in gfa even m&e rooms so once u lock in a plant room to the archi n its too big or too small u r dead hav to get your ass whooped by everyone b4 they let u hav the space.

ahu rooms in sg when trying to save gfa the latest one i c is they hang it. same goes for all the msbs to save the gfa.

for lifts u'll also need to look do traffic calculations to ensure tat the tenants r able to get to their destination within a given time keep them waiting too lock n u get screwed also.


wats the big secret mind sharing?

hahaha in short m&e is the worst 1st to go in the project last to get out of the project also

shit from the high altitude must be slowed down by some mechanisms,else it's like dropping a brick which will generate great momentum/impact to destroy the structure.

correct me if i'm wrong...
i just an undergraduate student...

* beside gradient, spiral tubes are applied for skyscraper's sanitary pipes...
(shit does play spiral tube slide after flushhhhh~)

This post has been edited by BoOn810: Apr 18 2009, 11:10 PM


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