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Life Sciences The PHARMACY Thread, everything you need to know/ask

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post Apr 28 2009, 07:36 AM

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QUOTE(Amico @ Apr 27 2009, 10:26 PM)
hi just have some questions..Currently I'm a nursing student..I wanna trasfer course to pharmacy, I got a really bad result for my spm but I'd changed when come to college. Now i got my result consider ok. Maintained my cgpa at 3.7. But I just too worried is it pharmacy will it be too tough for me? cause that's not a small amount to complete the course n i dun wanna fail me parent's money away. I still cant make a decision and it seriously bodered me alot.

Any suggestion from pharmacy students or pharmacist? >.<
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why pharmacy?

how long has you been in nursing course?

next is that you have to find out from the pharmacy schools of your choice if they wanna take you in based on your spm result or current nursing course result.
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post May 8 2009, 04:59 AM

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it is quite simple, once you have reach the limit/threshold for your position, move to another level then.

e.g., pharmacist>pharmacy manager/store manager/manager of some sort>area manager>regional manager>CEO of the company etc

pharmacist>pharmacist in charge of certain department/specialist pharmacist>head of department>regional pharmacist manager for hospitals of an area>head of hospitals pharmacist of an region/head of hospital maybe>minister of health

the sky is the limit. the money is where the managerial role is.

whatever the profession, there is no limit to it, should it be a cleaner or a pharmacist. just that a pharmacy degree gives you a better starting point if compare to a cleaner.


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post May 8 2009, 07:42 AM

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QUOTE(vanPersieXX @ May 8 2009, 07:09 AM)
Hi everyone,as i'm goin to start my course this september so I planned to read some books after my a level to prepare myself .. is there any books that is highly recommended to read??thanx a lot...
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nah, dont bother to read. you have plenty time to read when you have started term time.

enjoy the holiday as much as possible.

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QUOTE(sherlock holmes @ May 9 2009, 11:16 AM)
hey.just wanted to know,what kind of Maths do you guys do in pharm school?
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maths in pharmacy is not difficult. the difficult part is understanding and finding out what you have to get, esp. in formulation science, pharmacy does have their own unit (non-SI) such as % w/w, % v/w etc etc, use of calculator is prohibited, high passing mark, and a little silly mistake can get your patient killed/failed you the exam.

QUOTE(el8155 @ May 9 2009, 07:17 PM)
actually wat difficult about pharmacy? why many of those who study pharmacy seems stress up? because of the memorizing drugs? yawn.gif
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who seems to stress up?

i would say the difficult bit is not memorising the drug, but to understand from everything like, what disease, why it happened, how it happened, what is the treatment, how does the treatment works, and what is the care plan after that, to pharmacology of the drug in the body, to patient-care in primary and tertiary care, to pharmacy law, ethics and professional practice, to microbiology, from general chemsitry to complicated organic chemistry, drug desigh, drug formulation and delivery etc etc.

pharmacy is not just about memorising drugs, and is not all about drugs too. one other difficult bit is it also involves long hours every day, compare to some other course that require attendance of only 4-10 hours per week.


Added on May 9, 2009, 8:10 pmand one final thing is, if you think the 4 years course is hard enough, wait until you get into real world and practice as pharmacist. the responsibilites and decision you have to make everyday is just enormous too.

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post May 10 2009, 04:38 AM

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QUOTE(MicLord @ May 9 2009, 11:35 PM)
How about calculus ??Could there be any Calculus in the 4 years course too??
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nope. though it might depends on school, but doubt there is in any other school.

QUOTE(el8155 @ May 10 2009, 03:38 AM)
my bro's friend who work as a pharmacy said actually the studies have nothing to do when going out work as a pharmacist.. he working in a community pharmacy
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well kinda. the knowledge learnt can be useful, but less applicable for a typical community pharmacist. but then it is different for hospital pharmacist.
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QUOTE(sherlock holmes @ May 10 2009, 03:22 PM)
so is that the kind of stuff to expect in basic maths that were supposed to learn in IMU?(joining in July,btw)
also,what abt stats?

Thanks a lot!:D
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oh ya now i remember the most difficult bit of calculation for the duration of the course would be either pharmaceutic or formulation science.

pharmaceutic would involve calculation of bioavailabilty, half-life, distribution of drug etc etc which also require you to interpret and analyse graph, statistic etc etc. and what usually happen is, one wrong answer leads to failing the whole sets of questions.

as for formulation science, the math itself wont be difficult, but its the question that can be very tricky.
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QUOTE(ShaneNg @ May 12 2009, 06:26 PM)
Just wondering if anyone's from Nottingham local?

After the transfer, can you choose to work in UK? Or maybe Australia?
Got a feeling like pharmacists are more appreciated overseas.

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you are allowed to practice as pre-reg in UK after the 2+2 program from nottingham.

oh yes, they are more appreciated overseas and well paid too.
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QUOTE(holycreeper @ May 12 2009, 09:44 PM)
Thanks for the feedback for my previous post.

Questions:
I understand that the systems in UK and Aus for degree in Pharmacy are different in which one will obtain Bachelor of Pharmacy/Masters in Pharmacy (Mpharm) in UK and Bachelor of Pharmacy (Bpharm) in Aus. And I have checked on the JPA website and it's stated that both BPharm and Mpharm are considered a degree (Ijazah Sarjana Muda) as accredited by our local higher institution.

Thus, I would like to ask which is the preferred choice (Mpharm or Bpharm) and why is it so. Plus, does that mean that if someone is a Mpharm holder, he or she has finished Masters during the degree program, therefore can continue to PhD right away if he or she wishes to continue her postgraduate studies?

Honestly, I know little about the study life in Universities especially in Pharmacy as I am an SPM leaver.  Please do correct me if I am wrong.

confused JPA scholar. rclxub.gif
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well the difference between MPharm and BPharm has been discussed numerous times. look at first post and go through the links.

the main difference is what you have learned during the course, esp. the soft skills.

and yes if you are MPharm holder, you can go straight to PhD post.
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QUOTE(ShaneNg @ May 13 2009, 12:31 AM)
Hey, thanks for the replies.

I heard that in Australia, people dont usually visit Doctors for fever, flu.
But they visit the Pharmacy for a prescription, is that true?

Thanks again.
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I am not sure about Aus, but in UK, they dont have to go to doctor for minor illnesses, e.g. flu, fever, cough, cold, constipation, diarrhoea, general pain, hay fever, conjunctivitis, even some STI, morning after pill and a few more.

they dont get prescription from pharmacy, but they can buy it straight from the pharmacy or as services. the pharmacy has some right to diagnose and sell those medications for minor illness.

what is the point going to doctor for flu, fever and cough anyway. prescribing antibiotic for those minor illness is irrational, and going for just some cough syrup is wastage of doctor time and resources.
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QUOTE(coogie @ May 15 2009, 09:15 PM)
Is ITB (indonesia) pharmacy degree recognize by other countries such as UK or Aus beside Malaysia???
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i dont think so. but you can come and work in UK, provided you are pharmacist registered in recognised countries with 3 years experience, come to uk, do the overseas pharmacist conversion course, do a year of pre-reg and sit for the exam, pass it and then you can practice as register as pharmacist in uk.

QUOTE(el8155 @ May 19 2009, 04:50 AM)
when the 3years of serving goverment,how they gonna pay ur salary? if i choose a hospital near to my town which is not so big compare to those big hospital in kl , will this affect my pay? or it is still the same for every or any hospital u work dont care is big or small cool2.gif ?
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civil service takes a total of 4 years, 1 year of provisional pharmacist and 3 years of registered pharmacist.

the salary would be the same for the course of 4 years wherever you are placed in. but, you will get 1000 extra per month if you are west malaysian working in east malaysia, and you can get OT allowance, call-out allowances etc after your provisional first year.
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QUOTE(wyatt615 @ Jun 3 2009, 11:20 PM)
Hi. I'm finishing my A-level. I can say that my biology is very strong, but not chemistry, though I still manage to get A for AS level. I've already applied to IMU MPharm 2+2 program. May I know normally what are the requirements of their conditional offer for MPharm? I'm not confident to get A for my chemistry, maybe math also. Do I still stand a chance to enter the course with result ABB? icon_question.gif
Thank you =)
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you will do fine with ABB.

but my advise, if cost doesnt really differ much / never an issue for you, I would suggest you to consider Notts 2+2 too.
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QUOTE(wyatt615 @ Jun 4 2009, 07:21 PM)
Well, the problem is Nott needs A for chemistry. My friend got a conditional offer from nott and the condition is he has to get at least AAB for A-level and one of the A must be from chemistry. I don't really think I can get A for my chemistry as I kinda screwed up my Paper 4 yesterday  sweat.gif  And I didn't really do well in one of the papers for math. So, I don't think I can meet the requirement for Nott. Hehe... so, if I'm lucky enough to meet meet the requirement when the actual result comes out in this august, then I'll choose Nott instead. I'll apply for nott right after my exam is over.
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dont worry just apply. though the conditional offer is AAB for your friend, it doesnt meant that if your friend doesnt get AAB, he will be rejected for sure.

if you get AAB, you are 100% admitted, that is the meaning of conditional offer.

the reason why I would recommend notts is because they have better experience in 2+2 MPharm program. They are fully accredited by the RPSGB. it is located in the england and more work/placement opportunities.

though, you are saying you are returning msia after graduation, but keep your option open, you would know what you might choose next. pharmacy profession is well reputable in uk if compare to msia, and also the money for working as community pharmacist in uk can be very tempting, also the responsibility as healthcare professional, which you wouldn't get in msia.
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QUOTE(seyuripa @ Jun 5 2009, 10:55 AM)
@jerk

I just want to ask that is it possible for me to work in UK as pharmacist because the course I'm taking's bpharm not mpharm and how to get the "fully accredited by the RPSGB"??
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3 years working experience as registered pharmacist in your country, then overseas conversion course @ sunderland uni, one year pre-reg + passing the exam = registration in uk.
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QUOTE(wyatt615 @ Jun 6 2009, 02:42 AM)
well, if I'm going to apply for Nott, I'll apply using my forecast/trial result also which is AAA, the same as my friend. The problem is I don't think I did well in the actual exam and I'm affraid I can't get the same result as my forecast at the end. So, if I receive a conditional offer and I can't meet the requirement, then does that mean I will be rejected immediately?
Since the actual result will only be coming out in August, should I wait until then or should I apply as soon as possible? I already have the reference letter from my college in hands.
Thank you.
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no. conditional offer means that you will be 100% guaranteed a place when you have met their requirement/condition. but doesnt mean that you will 100% rejected if you have not met their condition.

many people has misunderstood the actual meaning of conditional offer, and thought, you will only be admitted if you met the requirement.

you should apply now, for sake of peace of mind, and notts 2+2 is really a good choice for pharmacy.
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QUOTE(transhumanist92 @ Jun 10 2009, 01:22 AM)
Do you need A-level bio for Nott pharmacy?, because i only want to take chemistry
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biology is not a requirement for pharmacy course. but i assure it is very useful, else you will have more difficulty catching up in your pharmacy course.
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lets update the memberlist, see how many pharmacist, pharmacy student, prospective pharmacy student we have in here.

list your school too. i'll update the first page.
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2. youngkies - Cardiff University - UK registered pharmacist. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Kathy9 @ Jun 11 2009, 11:39 AM)
what's the difference between conditional offer and unconditional offer given by notts?

*sigh* getting confused after reading the thread xD
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conditional offer means, if you have met the condition/their requirement, you will be accepted for sure. e.g. if the conditional offer is AAB, then if you get AAB, you are getting into admission for sure. if you did not get AAB, you might or might not be offered/confirmed a place.


unconditional offer, means whatever result you get, you have been reserved a place.
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QUOTE(Saaaweeet @ Jun 13 2009, 02:53 AM)
I aspire to study Pharmacy at NUS.

*sigh*
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why NUS, why sigh?
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QUOTE(baoz @ Jun 13 2009, 07:36 PM)
I suppose it's due to the difficulty getting into NUS.

I've friends with 4 A's at A Levels and a TER of 97.9 for SAM who couldn't get into NUS Pharmacy.

NUS - one of the top unis in this region.
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well there are other options which are as good, as long as you dont mind paying.

for pharmacy course, experience full responsibilities of being a pharmacist, by doing it in a country where separation of dispensing is in placed.

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