Doubt that's the problem. Rio is not in his best form. As is most of the team. So are they all forced to stay?? I'd say they're most probably knackered. Or in need of a full blown hairdryer from Sir Alex.

You do realise that i am not taking the piss, nor am i trying to stir up anything. I am merely trying to defend one of your players who is at times i believe is taking a lot of unfair criticism from your own set of fans.

Never said you were. Just wanted to make it clear what my stand on Ronaldo was.

biasalah tu...even our gaffers also do the same ma.....that is what makes football hot and potent ma....

enjoy this light piece! from football 365.com///


Fergie & Rafa Are Like Squabbling Children

Alex Ferguson has been a football manager for 35 years. He's won the Premier League ten times, the Champions League twice and a list of other pots too lengthy to list here. He's 67.

Rafa Benitez first took charge of a Real Madrid youth side in 1986, he's managed six clubs and won La Liga twice and the Champions League once. He's 48.

These are two distinguished men. Doyens of the game. At the very top of their profession. And still they cannot resist the temptation to argue like children who think they haven't got a big enough slice of cake.

'He's spent more money than me...no he's spent more money than me....But you've broken the transfer record...' blah, blah, blah. Frankly, it's quite pathetic.

You might call this mind games, but the fact of the matter is that it's a pissing contest between two men who should know better. This is the sort of argument that should be happening on the YourSay boards of this fine website, not by the managers of the two biggest clubs in England.

It's petty sniping of the most undignified kind, and one wonders why they're bothering. Instead of totting up his spend in the last five years, should Rafa Benitez not be revelling in probably the best domestic result in his time at Liverpool? And rather than responding, perhaps Ferguson should be addressing the problems raised by United's worst week of the season?

In some ways it's interesting, in that an amateur psychologist might conclude several things about both men's psyches.

It's possible that Benitez has something of inferiority complex, and is trying to convince us, Liverpool fans and his players that he is fighting against the odds, against a Goliath that could buy and sell his club if he wanted. Should Liverpool finish second he is trying to present that as a success, the idea that he is helpless against a rival of this size, and therefore winning the thing would be an even more incredible achievement.

In Ferguson it may show that he is the slightest bit rattled by Liverpool's resurgence, and that he genuinely feels threatened. Of course, the stubborn old sod could just find it impossible to resist a retort. His desire to have the last word is all-consuming, and he might be totally relaxed and confident in his team's ability to finish the job they have started.

Alternatively, it could just be two grown men squabbling who should know better.

We have a potentially fascinating title race to look forward to, and the two managers would perhaps be best advised to direct attention to that, rather than their balance sheets.

Nick Miller

It's different for me though. I've always prioritised hard work and heart over skill and ability. To lend a quote from "Pearl Harbour", "there's nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer". If a player isn't fully committed, I'd rather he leave. It's the same way I felt about Gerrard when he was considering a move to Chelsea. You may say that I'm just saying this because the player in question is Ronaldo but it is genuinely how I feel. It's the reason my favourite player is Carragher and why I will always remember Titi Camara, Erik Meijer, Dirk Kuyt and Igor Biscan. They weren't/aren't the most talented but they give it 100% each time.

Well like you said, this is an old topic and I think our opinions have already been made clear so I'll end my contribution right here

Seriously, sometimes I don't understand how most of you staffs, mods and admins work. I get banned for having a go at the so called democratic but in truth 2 faced solstice as he was bombarding the place with his usual crap.Do you me bombarding his thread in regards to all the bullcrap he posts about us?? Do you see me bombarding this thread whenever I see my name being mention over there?? My recent 3 day ban doesnt really bother me that much to be honest as I don't really post that much on this site as I used to as I feel it's not that much fun anymore. I presumed someone reported my post which hell they can bloody well do. But as far as I see, he pretty much gets away with everything on here, trolls on every thread, posts supposed democratic crap only to then blast them in his own thread. Hence the 2 faced reference from me. Seriously, what bull is that?? He gets away with it how?? Because he's a TS?? A few pages back and I still see him trolling.

Feel free to give me another ban if you think I'm ranting. Like I said, it doesn't really bother me anymore. Seriously fell out of touch with the place already anyways.

May be you just confused with other forum that you've read. I don't see anyone here criticising Ronaldo.

Your last few posts here have always been Ronaldo. You love him huh?

Well, I was the one who criticised him right after the game (for moaning and what not ) in the first place, so i suppose i terasa chilli a bit, especially when i check the feedback/talkback sections of footie pages, so probably guilty as charged then.

Seriously though, some of those calling for his head now were probably worshipping his feet last season.

@nando, just read rafa's 'back in your face' reply Dayem, the 'friendly banter' between the two grumpy old men

This post has been edited by madmoz: Mar 23 2009, 10:08 AM

Well I wouldn't question his commitment to us at the moment, becoz its not apparently clear whether he wants to stay at the club or not. The media likes to make a meal out of petty things. First they tried to dissect everything they saw about Ronaldo to have it point to a "I want out" kind off mentality. Didn't smile when he scored a goal? Yeah he's unhappy and yearns for Madrid. Walked himself off the pitch to get medical treatment? Oh noes, he just wants to get the feck out of United. Dumped Sergio Ramos' ex-gf? Oh he just wants to get things right with his future teammate. Like I said, he's not getting the same treatment as the other foreigners are, and thats probably the price he has to pay for being loathed by the English and constantly putting himself in the spotlight. He's actually come out to say that United is the right club for him at the moment numerous times, but papers won't print that, becoz they won't sell. I'm with you in saying that if a player doesn't have a sense of belonging he has the right to leave, but as far as my eyes can see, I've not seen him walking around saying he wants out. Ppl say his body language suggests that he wants a move, to me, its subjective.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. As long as he dons the red of United, I'm gonna stand by his back and cheer him on.

Well, I think he was lucky not to be sent off against Fulham. His constant moaning, asking for freekicks etc are the lowdown for me. Other than that, I am happy with his contributions this season. He has changed to a team player now. From scoring goals to assisting. Perhaps want to accomodate Berbatov.

Sometimes its a dilemma.
Do we need a scoring cr7 or a teamplayer cr7?
I guess the media pressure caught him tho..

Interestingly, i think the last time we had 2 players sent off in EPL was during everton. Who is the referee? - You should have guessed it. the 1 you see against Fulham!

It's funny how I tried correcting one of your fans regarding an obvious footballing fact and I was labelled a troll and a flamebaiter.

You mean ANY Liverpool fans that come in and post something will be automatically branded a troll?

Sorry if I post in the wrong thread, I really think cr7 need to be selfish again because that's what he best at instead of teamplayer. SAF needs to give him a free role like last season again instead asked him to be a feeder to berbatov like beckham to nistelrooy. I really think he is best to be selfish. Juz my 2 cents.

P/S: I'm not a fan of him.

Doubt that. Do you see madmoz or Duke being bombarded for being here?

It's weird then, because he said that I came in here to troll and flaimbait to "flaunt" Liverpool's win. Ask him to try searching the entire thread to see if I said anything about the game at all. Heck, I even tried to ask the guys to chill and stop the bickering.

Sigh. Generalisation at work eh?

pool thrash villa 5-0. we r goin to face villa next. hopefully we will recover by the time we r goin to meet them.

1. sure goalie will turn to be super goalie
2. villa will play like hell to defeat man utd

so its tough game again ahead

Another poster mentioned that Friedel will have a blinder, however he won't be playing will he? I disagree with your 1st point because I don't think there is any basis for that statement. I do agree with your 2nd point because the lucrativeness of playing in the Champions League is sure to be a driving force for them.

good lord that the break comes in a time when pool hits top form, and our lads shitting brick all times. buffers our bad form a lil i say

why go ranaldo bashing when the team did not get the right results this time around. he's still the league second or third highest scorer and definitely the highest scorer for united.


his feat of scoring 42 goals will be hard to repeat. everybody who knows and understand football will agree to it. his attitude and arrogance are expected and may have disgusted many man utd fans. as long as he play ok which i think he has been doing and i have no problem with that.

he has change his game this season .he looks different and probably fearing injury for you know what reason ( saving himself to join real )or maybe he wants to add some new dimension to his game.

even if ronaldo is to join real madrid , he'll get lots of money for united. i have no problem with that.remember he's from madeira with lots of sunny sky and manchester weather and lifestyle there probably sucks for him.

no matter how we see CR7 , on the pitch he's often the most dangerous player for united and the way he play ,he certainly don't lack enthusiasm.
i have to admit though , lately , his freekick sux so much as it often hit the wall.

we may bash him a little but we should see CR7 as a very important player for man utd

This post has been edited by sunnyK: Mar 23 2009, 11:26 AM

congratz to all unwelcome liverpool fanz..

for united fanz dont worry we will bounce back..
although we lost at fulham will still play better and looking more dangerous.. after all we still the champion..