Ya docked tails and ears clipping is banned in Australia. As well as in Canada. Europe too I think.

This post has been edited by thedancingsun: May 10 2009, 03:34 PM

Miniature Schnauzer no docked might look funny, ears clipping is the most nice look for Miniature Schnauzer. I have france friend at penang, she said get saman around rm10.000 if did both.

Ya the rationale is that it serves no purpose except to please humans, so classify as act of cruelty to animal.

Well, I don't think it looks funny at all...maybe because we are so used to how the Min. Schnauzers 'normally' look like here. I agree with thedancingsun that docking tails and ear cropping serves no purpose other than aesthetics. I kind of wished Scottie's tail was not docked too, but when I got him, his tail was already docked I'm glad I didn't crop his ears though

many ppl oso ask me y i din crop their ears. I juz think dat it is unnecessary and cruel to them. Juz bcoz we went them to look pretty in publics eye, dat doesn't mean they want the same thing.

kerrie~~agree agreee...keke

what look so funny if a MS dint docked its tail?? Yes i agree if MS clip the ear it will look much nicer,but if ur the dog u wont fell how much pain and damage it will be???
agree wit Rayne

wheeps~

I'm getting my puppy in 2 or 3 weeks time since she is only 3 weeks old now. The breeder told me she's salt and pepper, but her hair is rather brownish and there is a black stripe on her back that leads way end to her tail. Is the hair suppose to be like that at the baby stage?

the breeder told me to bring her home 1st, after 1 week only go for 1st jab. i told her to pass the puppy to me after her 1st jab, she said that at that time the puppy will more likely to attach to her since the puppy will be like 3 months old at that time.

I'm very worried because this is my first time, friend did told me that it's safer to take the puppy after the 1st jab. help =/

This post has been edited by xbeeboo: May 11 2009, 02:43 PM

Hmmm.....that sound strange...cos breeder is not supposed to sell puppy less than 6 weeks - that's when they are weaned. Else it will be quite handful, cos my fren got a puppy at 4 weeks and it doesn't have teeth yet so it needs special care like eating only soft food and feeding it 3 - 4x a day. In fact, if i'm not mistaken, puppy is still blind at 3 weeks, they only opened their eyes at about 4 weeks old.

And puppy is SUPPOSED to have their 1st jab at about 5 weeks (some will do it at 4 weeks to get it out fast) and subsequently, once a month for 3x. So by 3 months, its usually vaccinated and can bring it out already. You should ideally take the puppy at 7 - 8 weeks. Being away from its mother at too young age is not very healthy cos it isn't weaned yet and for emotional reasons.

Ya, some puppy got black strip down its back, will grow out of it later.

That is the option for individual. some like, some dislike. ears clipping look pain for months. that i not do.

i agree, although that said if dock/crop when they are small, the lesser the pain they suffered.
but this is not like d piercing like human did, is cutting out part of the ear and tail
if not doing proper will cause dead some more

so lucky Carrie didn't kena crop, cos her ear is 'drop down' when she was puppy, but her tail oredi docked when my cousin got her.

Oh ya, Rayne, i m not able to attend the gathering at Desa park, i will go company camp during that time, compulsory

Oh ya, last monht change Carrie kibbles to Nutri Source, then after she ate it, her skin sensitive problem getting worst !
even though now stop liao and i bought back the same kibbles-blackwood for her, now her tummy got d black and red stain liao... but i know is my fault , cos i didnt switch the kibbles in proper way..

This post has been edited by asa: May 11 2009, 02:44 PM

so do you mean puppies at 8 weeks old should be jab-ed alr? cause she say if i want to take the puppy after first jab then will be like 3 months old alr (after jab must stay with her for 2 or 3 weeks)

and if i take the puppy at the 7th week, i will need to bring the puppy for jab

or i just dont care about the 3 months old issue and let the puppy to stay with her for the jab thingy

No lah!! You can take the puppy AFTER 1st jab which is about 7 - 8 wks old lah! Then after that you take puppy for 2nd and 3rd jab. This is because to make sure that the puppy got no adverse reaction to the jab. If got, then you can reject the puppy! If take w/o jab....then if puppy got allergic reaction to jab, you are responsible lah!!

Hi xbeeboo, your post sounds a little weird to me. You said your pup is now only 3 weeks old, and you're getting her in 2-3 weeks' time. But then it goes to say that the pup would be 3 months old?

Normally, a good breeder would only release the pups at about 8-9 weeks old, maybe even older than that. Before the pups are released to their new owners, the breeder would have already given the pups their first round of vaccinations. You as the new owner would be responsible for giving the 2nd and 3rd round of vaccinations after you got your puppy. For a breeder NOT to give the first round of vaccinations is a first for me. It kind of feels like the breeder is a dodgy one. Take caution of that. Ask properly with the breeder if she provides the 1st round of vaccination. If she says she does, she would have a card to state that she has sent the pup to a vet for the vaccination and the card would have stickers from the vaccination bottles. Hope that helps a little with your concerns.

Re: salt and pepper colors, there are many variations to the salt and pepper color. So, no worries about the coloring and all that. As long as the pup is healthy and you are able to provide it with love and care, it's all good



Sorry to hear that you can't come, Asa! Next time we have another gathering there la

Re: the kibble switch, if Carrie has some allergic reactions to the food like that, it's not the switch to the kibble that's wrong. I think the food is wrong for her, which is why her skin flares up like that. After switching back to Blackwood, she doesn't have the problems anymore right? If so, then the Nutri Source food is not suitable for her.

Haha, it's been a while since I've posted this again, so I'm updating it again to see if there are more people interested in coming.

MINIATURE SCHNAUZER 5TH GATHERING

Date: 31 May 2009
Time: 4 pm
Venue: Desacity Park


Interested List:
Audrey (Rayne)
Kerrie
Yen Lu (iluv2zzz)
Keith (aragonlee)
Winnie_sia87
Eric (ericyong)
Candy&Vincent
psyko881208

My vodka is exactly 1 year old today. He's very long gas one, can bark non-stop. I've tried to hit the cage method when he was still young.

I'm now trying to stop him from barking and praise him if he stops barking. I hope this work. Otherwise hv to try the hard way.

This post has been edited by ahju_vodka: May 11 2009, 04:33 PM

i'm sorry if it sounds weird to you. the puppy is now 3 weeks old.

here are the options the breeder gave me:

1. i bring the puppy at 6 weeks old. after 1 or 2 weeks i will need to bring the puppy to her designed vet's place for vaccination.

2. i bring the puppy home after the first vaccination. BUT by then the puppy will be about 3 months old because she needs 2 or 3 weeks to supervise the puppy after the vaccination. The puppy will attach to her and so she does not encourage me to take this option.

she seemed a little frustrated when i asked to take the puppy ONLY after the first vaccination. whenever i raise this issue she will tell me the same thing again and again, which is "by that time the puppy will attach to me already!" she say until i also a bit afraid of her, she talks very loud and i'm not good in debating.

so my question here is, does it really matter to take the puppy at 3 months old although the puppy starts to attach to her? and how old can the puppy can go for vaccination? she promised that she will give 9in1 jab. the payment is on HER and just the matter of whether I MYSELF or HER take the puppy for vaccination.

oh, and she says microchip before vaccination

This post has been edited by xbeeboo: May 11 2009, 04:39 PM

I got mine when he was 3 months old. The breeder doesnt even allow me to visit him when he have yet to get his jab. I don't think the puppy only attach to her. Better to choose option 2.

Hmmm...sounds very dodgy to me. Usually breeder will get the 1st jab. I got mine from the breeder as well at 8-week. It comes with a little card with its microchip no on it. I think the 1st jab is between 4 - 5 weeks old. Haven't heard about the 2-3 weeks supervision though. Its about right because my breeder give the 1st jab at 5 week and i got my puppy at 8 week so there is a 2 - 3 weeks window period...more because I didn't have time to go check it out earlier. Its not about the cost. Some puppies are allergic to vaccination and have serious complications. If like that, will the breeder change a new puppy for you?

If your breeder is telling the truth, the pup now is 3 weeks old. By the time you get the pup after the first vaccination, the pup would only be about 2 months old, the most 2 and a half months. Mathematics, my dear It tells a lot about the breeder if she INSISTS on releasing the puppies at such a young age. I would hesitate to get a pup from her...who knows what might the puppy have if she is so desperate to sell off the pups so young?

Taking a pup at 3 months old is perfectly fine by me...I had pups with me last time too. The last pup to leave my house is more than 3 months old, and I had no complaints from his new owner at all. It is so weird that she stresses the payment of the vaccination is on her...of course it's supposed to be on her. Have you seen the pups before? I really would think twice before getting a pup from that lady. She sounds very dodgy to me. A good breeder would never be desperate to push the sales of the puppies, especially at such a young age.

This post has been edited by Rayne: May 11 2009, 04:42 PM