Yeah... i miss his words too. Got a lot of motivation from his and WW ramblings. Some getting rich and being paid... should be ok if their services are good. No worries la WW, to me you are my preacher regarding swiftlets. >.<

I believe so too. I wish all the best for all of us in our crusade to improve the industry. Flight delayed, the inet connection here is slow... nak tulis banyak pun sakit hati slow transfer.

By the way WW, if you dont mind, can u kindly list the blogs?

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Jan 10 2010, 08:04 PM

coolandy!!! busy ah? missed your criticism.

RM30m... damn, the mastermind must be a pro at MLM stuff, even the managing c/o got duped. I believe our industry also has such con's, but maybe at a lesser scale. Whatever it is, please verify every detail of information before investing... kang habis duit pencen.

hackwire, maybe we should have a cup of coffee sometime : )

Haish... about the PBT, looks like their trying to include my BH under their supervision. Will meet them next week. I am aware that any Yang Di Pertua Majlis has the authority to do so (even on agri land, according to Akta Kerajaan Tempatan 1976), but until then i'll wait for the black and white. No black & white... sorry la. I plan to make this 1st BH a good example for others in the state... to do so i have to adhere to legalities and be nice to the relevant buggers for info. Might sound stupid... but it will be a good experience for me and a reference for others. Nak sangat RM1,000 deposit & annual RM300 something... ambik la (ikutkan hati nak campak je duit kat muka depa, then again it won't be courteous, haha!).

BH almost finished. Wish me luck.

No problem coolandy! 2-3 kopi O 4 u & WW also can.


I know cooperatives are more transparent & to an extent more democratic in decisions and equal dividends... and whatsmore, it involves voluntary participation & commitment (especially for the board & officials) not unlike associations. I also believe that the culture of cooperation in Malaysia is still in its infancy, bukan apa... we notice that the 2007 Amendments (Cooperations Act 1993) was more of a short term solution to curb abuse, rather than to nurture cooperation culture among Malaysians. A typical move from a government so used to taking shortcuts, short term solutions despite have the resources to properly solve such issues.

It would be hard to exclude developers/consultants from being members of cooperatives, even if they didn't use proxies. In the end the cooperative is just like an association/party. What we can do is brief ordinary members about the fundamental aim and function of the cooperatives formation, ensure the board has enough leverage to repel unnecessary tampering of decisions and other officials appointed based on uniformity of understanding the cooperatives will. Its the same as associations.

About the JV on Malay reserve land. 1ST POINT, even Malay land wont be untouched by PBT (as in my case, hahahaha!).

http://www.kptg.gov.my/index.php?option=co...emid=77&lang=ms

The above link is about Malay Reserve. There was this drive to allow leasing last year, but i don't think it'll materialize any time soon. Even if you did make a c/o or vehicle for ownership of the structure... the issue still lies on the land status... my advice since, so far theres no way you can secure your interest legally with regards to Malay reserve... get another location, not Malay reserve.

Unless you are willing to gamble your interests in your trust of your friend... and even at that... as pointed by coolandy, once he's gone? About Faraid (pembahagian harta Islam), like it or not it'll still refer to some conventional legalities. Black and white it'll still be against you since it any agreement wont stand up in court.

Hehe, thought so. Beginning to sound like we're Swiftlet Freedom Fighters! ;p

So far, is there such a koperasi yet chiongguo? i sure would learn a lot from them (had the initiative to propose a local koperasi, but shot down the idea since there were too many 'politicians' in the community). there will be a processing center in the east coast sometime this year if things go smoothly, but under an association.

I'll share everything i know once i go thru them WW (this year, definitely). PBT's are a hassle. I'll show you what i mean;

1. Mine is on agriland, initially NOT within their operations zone.
2. They are now submitting my case to the PBT Licensing Board, to include my BH within their operations zone. Deposit of 1k, annual 200-300 something.
3. Since initially it wasn't under their jurisdiction, once gazetted by the YDP... must or must i not follow specifications of the shoplot units (safety, structural integrity/design, fire safety, etc)? Since it is still on agriland but under the PBT's operations zone...
4. Since it will come under the operations zone, i will now have to apply for 'business premise' under the PBT.

It sure is fun ain't it? I have already identified some major loopholes but i'll have to put it to the test before confirming.

Exactly Cergau!!! I mean, the structure isn't even completed yet, income still uncertain and here they come to 'impose' their jurisdiction. I duely hope they can negotiate this matter professionally & legally. Since the BH is already on agriland (inthis case on tanah pusaka), the surrounding areas are still kawasan kampung. I also tend to demand services (of what, still mulling) if they still intend to include the BH as under their kawasan operasi.

Sharing suitable information is our responsibility as SSP's, to other SSP's. Just make sure we collect the necessary information before committing to build any BH. I still advise chiongguo to search for other options. I have heard rumors of proposed 'smart' partnership between bumi's & non-bumi's, but there were no specifications. Last year there was a Timb. Menteri who proposed/suggested that Malay reserves should be allowed to be rented to non-bumi's... but since then there was an eerie silence. Lets look at it this way, with the amendment... to me it will be a win-win situation, not many bumi's can afford to build such structures... and not all non-bumi's have access to cheap land. If the amendment is made, both parties can be more involved in the industry, and legal scrimmages can be brought to court (with the proper agreements in place).

Haha, i dont deserve tabik yet until the issue is solved. But i prefer to get things done and solve stuff head on. Yes, the electricity & water are according to commercial rates. I've installed the water... but thanks to the water services... instead of calculating and using 7200sqft (actual floor area), they instead used 2400sqft (area of 1 floor) as the rate of 'contribution'. This is where i thank some agencies regarding their 'budi bicara'. It would be nice if they included in the 1GP regarding these rates of amenities, premise permits & etc related. They should understand that the industry has risks, and not everyone makes it good in 1-2 years.

aaaa... i wanted to point out the main issue again just now (issue of Malay reserve)....
but got dizzy reading about the accounting & economy stuff.
not my cup of tea these things. i sincerely hope chiongguo finds another option.

Define 'runs'. I'm assuming the trust is there. I'm having a problem identifying who to train & trust once the 1st year of operations has lapsed...

Oh... some clippings a few days back;

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...&sec=southneast

i'm hoping they get a larger amount from federal, and are allowed to disbursed them based on proper evaluation of things. i heard that there was a previous proposal for a state owned BH pilot project, whereby the income generated was used to help the needy locals (i think it was one of Uncle Tok's initiatives) but as scrapped once Mat Said took office. these politicians never change, they always scrap project of different political allegiances.

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...47272&sec=north

Recently ASNI has been mentioned frequently these past few months.

Sorry eh, i've seen a few cases of mold (i haven't experienced any yet, tak siap lagi pun).

The BH's using mist system, the one i normally visit to learn has no mold problems, yet, after 5 years of operation. I've never visited one using humidifiers per se, but have seen those with both kolam + humidifier/mist (normally the ground floor kolam, the other floors mist/humidifier).

Just for the sake of argument (possibly repetitive of V1, some new pov's is welcome)...

1. Water droplet size

Can anyone compare the droplet size between humidifiers & mist nozzles? I find it logical that humidifiers produce smaller droplet size. In relation, also logically, the smaller the droplet size, the lighter & longer lasting is stays in the air. This plus some sort of calculation involving area size/dimension and whatever turbulence and water lost outside (thru entry hole/vent holes)... should give a rough picture on how to prevent mold formation by properly managing humidity? As tomytan said, condensation vs time.

2. Is there really no exact way of preventing mold?

Susah nak argue. After years and years... mold does pose problems to SSP's. I mean... i know that mold/fungi have their own range of temperature, moisture and even substrate/material they like... what if these factors are the same as what the swiftlets like? Is there anyway we can make nesting planks resistant to mold by changing the way they are treated or even changing the material? Are the same fungi affecting all the BH's or are there different spp's or strains?

3. Nature of wood = hygroscopic material (you can read what is means, i just type je nih).

I am not sure of chemicals... fungicides... according to this site;

http://timberwholesalecentre.com/products/services.php

CCA is commonly used. I doubt the ones i bought were treated this way. Which also raises the question of toxicity/contamination of nests.

About organic fungicides;

http://info.frim.gov.my/cfdocs/infocenter/...6n3/286-292.pdf

I found out most of them were essential oils... which normally translate into aromatic compounds = smelly. Can't imagine my planks smelling like cinnamon.

These are some common fungal problems in agriculture;

http://www.wesco.com.my/index.php?option=c...&id=9&Itemid=29

but i guess they aren't the same as those on planks.

Heres some basic info regarding wood & mold;

http://www.wwpa.org/moldff2.htm

And here are some tips, useful or not tatau la, but the moldy pics look familiar;

http://www.inspectapedia.com/sickhouse/cleanmold1.htm
http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/co/maho/yoho...mo/momo_005.cfm

The discussion about mold is interesting (besides giving me something to read about)... and tricky... moisture causes mold, swiftlets love humidity, no way to prevent mold when the humidity is high? Why not those with mold problems post some pics of their molds for comparison (high resolution please)... we can try to identify and discuss further. I think i have some books related somewhere... ah, Cergau, the fungal infection you mentioned in organ receivers are either aspergillus/candidiasis/histoplasmosis/crypto.neoformans... but thanks to modern technology & sterile procedure... the rate has decreased. Death to mold!!!!

Ah, about boric acid, according to wikepedia;

Preservation

In combination with its use as an insecticide, boric acid also prevents and destroys existing wet and dry rot in timbers. It can be used in combination with an ethylene glycol carrier to treat external wood against fungal and insect attack. It is possible to buy borate-impregnated rods for insertion into wood via drill holes where dampness and moisture is known to collect and sit. It is available in a gel form and injectable paste form for treating rot affected wood without the need to replace the timber. Concentrates of borate-based treatments can be used to prevent slime, mycelium and algae growth, even in marine environments.

Toxicology

Based on mammalian median lethal dose (LD50) rating of 2,660 mg/kg body mass, boric acid is poisonous if taken internally or inhaled in large quantities. However, it is generally considered to be not much more toxic than table salt.[3] The Thirteenth Edition of the Merck Index indicates that the LD50 of boric acid is 5.14 g/kg for oral dosages given to rats, and that 5 to 20 g/kg has produced death in adult humans. The LD50 of sodium chloride is reported to be 3.75 g/kg in rats according to the Merck Index.

Long term exposure to boric acid may be of more concern, causing kidney damage and eventually kidney failure (see links below). Although it does not appear to be carcinogenic, studies in dogs have reported testicular atrophy after exposure to 32 mg/kg bw/day for 90 days. This level is far lower than the LD50.[4]

According to boric acid IUCLID Dataset published by the European Commission, boric acid in high doses shows significant developmental toxicity and teratogenicity in rabbit, rat, and mouse fetuses as well as cardiovascular defects, skeletal variations, mild kidney lesions.[5] As a consequence, in August 2008, in the 30th ATP to EU directive 67/548/EEC, the EC decided to amend its classification as reprotoxic category 2 and to apply the risk phrases R60 (may impair fertility) and R61 (may cause harm to the unborn child).[6][7][8][9][10]


This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Jan 19 2010, 04:13 PM

Nice link! Gives some basic idea on this mold problem.

No wonder Uncle Ben's been silent. I've been thinking of such value added activities as you mentioned, but suitability of soil & irrigation issues poses a problem for me, the only suitable plant would be coconuts. All the best!

Thanks for the advice Uncle Ben. I have always been interested in agriculture... and since this was my chosen path... i tend to tread very carefully, your advice about conditioning the soil, location and usage of organic means have always been remembered. Over the past few years i have been visiting many farms... pitaya's, melaka delights/mango, khaki campbell farms, organic chicken farms, cattle ranches... i noticed one thing in common about all these hardworking people... they do not and cannot rely on government agencies related to agriculture. I am saying this openly since even MOA are having problems with their young & inexperienced AO's... some prefer the comfort of an office, rather than go to sites giving advice. My statement; MALAYSIA LACKS PROPER EXTENSION PROGRAMS or more suitable, we lack the EXTENSION SPIRIT. This is the same for both agencies & institutes of higher learning. Hundreds of millions spent annually on research grants... where does the technology go?

Not to be a babble, but i find it disappointing that many smallholders face so many harshness and difficulties with their ranches/farms. We were initially an Agriculture based country... and now we can't sustain our own food consumption. I tell you, if we were at war, our enemies won't have to do much, just wait for us to die of starvation & lack of supplies.

That fish sounds like kelah. Their doing research somewhere in Taman Negara. Aquaculture is also interesting. Dunno la uncle, i'm the type that wants all information available before assessing its feasibility... it takes more time but if i wanna take risks, it better be a calculated risk. I envy your successes so far... will try to catch up.

A friend showed this link;

http://tmgaleri.blogspot.com/

9 units, 20x70 ft for RM385,000 in Tanah Merah.

hehe... ikan empurau, sounds more exotic than kelah. i have never been to a kelah farm before. i have been following news about kelah since i was a student, not because i am a kaki kail/pancing but because i do love ornamental fish. the Kelah Sanctuary as its name describes, is a sanctuary under PERHILITAN & a spv under USM... it does do research but i'm not sure if prof Eddy Tan is still the head or not, and i heard MOSTI was funding the research. I haven't visited a successful kelah farm yet... but the potential is there. Uncle Ben, sounds like the Sarawak Government is moving ahead at a faster pace.

Some people did introduce me to this Australian based aquaculture c/o (i think around 5 years back) where they were offering a system with running water. I didn't put much interest at the time since it was supposed to be in house or dalam lot kedai/kilang... secondly was due to the unreliable water quality in Selangor. I vividly remember an uncle calculating that the cost for a reliable & durable water filtration system & reservoir/container would cost more than the tank system! I also heard that somewhere in Sentul, there is a Chinese owned fishery/breeder that is very-very successful in breeding any exotic fish, maybe some of you know these people. At the time it was more out of curiosity rather than committed interest.

It may sound difficult now, but when the proper technicalities, methods & farming system is obtained...here's the issue... kelah bred and raised in captivity... commercially... would it not end up like patin/ketutu/keli? Just a thought.

About swiftlets... recently discussed about cctv. the reason i want to install the cctv is for both security & observation... a friend familiar with thse gadgets (and has experience installing such systems for banks/hypermarkets) suggested i use those that can erm... rotate & zoom. but the cost was rather erm... high. Now i'm fantasizing a mobile camera on a remote controlled car so i can view the birds anywhere in the house. T.T

Smart & sustainable. Unfortunately the land i have access to has a small steam that conjoins a larger stream a few hundred meters downstream... and the water quality... can't compare it to Sabah highland streams. Different league of purity, Sabah & Sarawak are blessed. What Uncle Ben mentioned is exactly the 'fantasy' or dream i've always had... a self sustainable eco-friendly agriculture industry involving the locality. Agriculture should be community based (this is what developed countries have been doing for centuries).

aeiou228, thanks for the advice, i'm looking at the specks for normal IR cams. I'm interested in documenting a list of stuff which warrants a good quality cam with good visibility... the reason i wanted one that can rotate and zoom is because i want to observe different locations as well. ex/ how long does the male/female adult take turns incubating, when exactly do the chicks start exercising their wings, how much progress of nest making is done within a day, how do the birds react when the mist system is activated at a different time, is it possible to catch the culprits that eat/kill chicks/eggs in action, is there any interesting behavior these birds have for example competing for preferred nesting areas ... macam2.

ahcard, yes, its called echolocation... more or less similar of that of bats. You can read bits and pieces here;

http://faculty.smcm.edu/jjprice/PDFs/Price...t%20al.2004.PDF

with regards to this, some people advise the interior of standalone units to be plastered (to increase echoing & sounds reflection) since the smoother the surface, the better the reflection. But then again, siapa pernah masuk gua yang interior dia smooth? Owls... i do not agree they be shot. Its better to trap and relocate... or get some avian advice from relevant authorities. We sometimes see in Indonesia they fix mata gergaji, broken pieces pf glass at the entry holes (also could be to repel HUMANs as well) to repel owls. I have only seen swiftlets slightly perching/momentarily stopping on entry holes... ONLY in new BH's where they are checking out the premise.

I have a discussion based on observation. I observed over the past year that the birds in KT, during their flight to feeding grounds in the morning & on the way back in the evenings... they fly as low as 15-20ft above the ground. I've seen some even flying less than that. You can easily see this from traffic light losong-kuala berang (nearby giant) and all along the road to kuala berang (i have this assumption their feeding ground would be along the main river, from pulau rusa-serada-kubang bujuk-bkt payung-telemung-kuala berang). Hundreds and thousands of birds. It makes me mad and envious. Sakit hati tengok since the location i'm building (different state)... the lowest flying bird without audio would be a few hundred feet, only when audio is on do they fly lower and circle around in curiosity. Uncle did mention that the KT BH's are experiencing slow growth... overpopulation? The ones i've visited in bkt payung are impressive, even though aged less than 2 years. Location... location & land acces... sobsobsob.

State Goverments ARE triads. Thats the way i see it. Squeezing people.

That website is currently for DVS usage only. I called them up regarding that site/tracking system. They have a good initial idea, but are in beta/testing currently. I was informed they will start utilizing the system once the 1GP is out, for registered BH's. At least they consider data collection important now.

About owls, one of the common recommendations would be to remove any trees around the BH since birds of prey, especially owls need a perch to observe prey before launching an assault. Unlike eagles and hawks which most of the time soar high above and circle before attacking, owls more commonly prefer surprise attacks (national geographic knowledge like Cergau, ;p). Maybe trapping and releasing is a good idea.... but how do we trap owls? kena tanya yang biasa buat keje ni.

I am not sure if the way i tested the site is generally accepted or not. I tested 2 sites (available land, one in Selangor around Dengkil, the other in N9 where there were many plots within a 10km radius).

Observation was done spanning before and after rainy seasons, roughly around 3-4 months. Different times basically morning, afternoon and evening bila ada peluang(so much so about 30 days of data lebih kurang sometimes selang seminggu, sometimes consequent days). I just had to make sure before building, ada kawan gelak, but hey, its not his money right?

For documentary purposes noted the wind direction, weather, direction they came and direction they dispersed, with audio and without audio... all using my pancaindera, no high tech equipment involved (except a digital camera, itupun blur2 gambar, limited zoom n focus as seen below without audio, slightly drizzling), haha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwPfsT7VWGU

Only after doing this did i ask an experienced old man to do a site visit, then a 'consultant'. Both okayed... so ok la kot. As i mentioned earlier, they were flying at least 100ft and higher, i believe it indicates this was a flight path or feeding ground. After digging some more, in the daerah were around 4 dozen BH's, most in commercial lots (stats from local PBT). The nearest one was about a year old, with birds flying in and out during peak times. Can't compare with the ones in Lukut/PD/Pasir Panjang... those even in the afternoon one can see the birds flying about the BH. I am confident that the area was a feeding ground as the demographics would suggest.

haha... hackwire, yes, we used to jerat burung guna getah masa kecik2 dulu, but never have i cuba jerat an owl. It might work if we can identify where they perch.

About location... camna nak kata... some may disagree, this is a personal view... i believe the birds are everywhere in Malaysia (don't include Genting highlands or highlands please ;p). Banyak tak banyak... cepat tak cepat... betul tak betul cara manage. The birds are there.

cergau, thanks for the link! nice one, very2 nice. i'll share it here;

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal...ETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/search/...20816977&page=1

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Feb 4 2010, 02:07 PM

hmm... i suggested before, observe the birds flying home/going out at known populated BH's (naturally you can identify their shape from afar and flying habits). You can observe how they circle around before entering as well and by time, you can even differentiate new/potential tenants with old ones by the way they fly in. another point, seriti or other swiftlets sp i dare say rarely fly in groups (AF does so especially masa balik & pergi cari makan... but at least in a pair... myth says they mate for life, macam ayam hutan) i can't precisely prove this since i do not have any seriti audio... to prove otherwise (teringin jugak nak tau). If within hearing range, boleh dengar. I have this sadistic hobby of observing these birds... up to the point some people thought i was a nut case staring up at the sky and staring at BH's... but its worth it.

Reading bits and pieces of your posts... limited time & internet access... will relate all the dealings with my local council's technical department, Jabatan Perancangan Bandar & Desa, Bomba, Peparitan and etc (this past week was dealing with all these departments) later on when u have more time. N9 state gov issued a directive to JBPD to freeze all swiftlet premises/licenses, pending the new guideline (basically, we apply thru the local council, but approval comes from JBPD for stand alone units, for shoplots are the PBT's prelesenan).

I think someone posted a link to the draft 1GP in V1, i think. If so, can someone rehighlight the link, if not, i'll have to scan and post here. Also have a copy of KPKT's (Kementerian Perumahan & Kerajaan Tempatan) guidline for BH licensing (2005 guidelines). That draft 1GP... sigh...

Bro Cergau, the staircase is a nice idea, as some others said, for observation (additional glass panels). Mine's 90% complete, so takle wat apa dah.

Found some owl feces yesterday, below the entry hole. tonight will do some covert operation, spying where the bird perches.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Feb 11 2010, 05:01 PM

Dear hackwire, it means any application for BH premise submitted will be floating/hanging around until JBPD gets furthur instructions.

ahchard, owl 'pellets' or shit... is easily recognizable. its like a pellet of fur/feathers, bones and other indigestible body parts of its prey. Technically, these pellets are regurgitated and not passed thru its erm... arsehole. Used to live in an area where red tailed deers, owls, raccoons and such roamed freely in the neighborhood. Took the pellets, some feathers... want a friend from perhilitan to identify and if possible, help me out, maybe trap it or something.

"to help the poor to venture into swiftlet farming";
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=475278

12th February recently;
http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...iz&pg=ag_02.htm

Happy new year to all friends... careful when driving.

Funny, mines a standalone on Agriland, but still kena jugak. What to do?

Guys, in V1 someone posted the GP022/Draf GP, but i found it different from the Draf Garispanduan Perusahaan Sarang Burung Layang-Layang (18pgs, supposedly from DVS) that i got. Now confused, which one is the real draft (will try to confirm on Saturday). The JKT (KPKT) guideline ada la (2005).

I'm getting very-very bad vibes about the 1GP... kalau ada sesiapa yang ada salinan of the real draft... please inform(to compare). I tamau post link unless it's the right draft... for discussion.

Bro WW, the government as you said, never listens... even though they hear us. I plan to make as much noise as i can.

Nesting cycle is near. All the best!

i do agree with hackwire, owners should follow the law, however... the laws/rules/regulations in the first place should not be inconvenient. According to the '1GP' i have... agriland proposed for BH development will have to be converted to 'building'/bangunan land. Whatsmore... the PBT's are proposed to have access at anytime for 'inspections'. No BH is allowed to be developed within a 1.5km radius from any residential places. Theres contradictory statements on audio usage. In short, the contents are not conducive, not convenient and sure as hell not representing anything SSP's want.

again i have to repeat, i am not 100% sure that the copy i have is the Draft 1GP. But if it is... what the **** did the DVS mean by 'getting more feedback from the industry'??? Either that or these politicians/policy makers from different ministries are playing around... some sort of tug and war.
(i'll validate the draft copy i have by Saturday... i'll post a link here later).

hehe... wish aeiou228 and all you lucky guys with established BH's a season harvest.

WW, the attitude is different for different PBT's... which comes to the question the functionality of the 1GP. If the PBT refuses to honor the 1GP... what use is it in the first place? Each PBT has AUTHORITY over its operations area...

Raymondetc, thanks for the support. I see two ways to handle this... one = claim total ignorance and sondol saja buat (selagi tak kantoi la), or two = confront the authorities and risk pissing them off or paying them off. So far... i've bugged each and every agency relevant (and somewhat sadistically enjoying it). Some are ok... some totally bangang and macam lembu that don't even know what they're talking about. You know, the type yang 'saya tak pasti', 'saya kena rujuk situ sini' etc... how the **** do they govern... when they don't even know how to handle things or refer to who or even can't give detailed specifications or answers?????????

(sorry la, lepas geram skit)

Thanks Cergau for posting that newsclip, read it earlier today but was on the road. Heres one from the Star;

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...5583&sec=nation

Federation of Swiftlet Nest Merchants Association chairman Datuk Beh Heng Seong said the guideline would resolve the problem as owners of premises would have to agree with the conditions if they wanted to remain in business.
“It will become a standard for all local authorities,” he said.

Now... if all i said was true from reading the 'draft' 1GP... quoting in BM;

6.1 Status Tanah
i. hendaklah dikategorikan sebagai bangunan perniagaan
ii. bagi bangunan 'free standing' di atas tanah pertanian, syarat nyata tanah ditukar kepada kategori bangunan perniagaan.

6.2 Jarak Bangunan
i. Mempunyai jarak 150m daripada mana-mana bangunan kediaman berdekatan
ii. Hendaklah tidak kurang dari 0.5km daripada kawasan perumahan dan bangunan komersial

6.10 is about Rakaman Bunyi, totally contradicting statements in item (6.10)i, ii, ii with iv and item 7.3 prohibits 'Penggunaan Alat Memanggil Burung'.

6.17 is about Kuasa Pegawai;
i. 'hendaklah membenarkan pegawai daripada Majlis serta mana-mana pegawai agensi kerajaan yang berkaitan untuk memasuki mana-mana rumah burung atau premis untuk menjalankan pemeriksaan pada bila-bila masa'.
ii. PBT bersama lain-lain pihak berkuasa boleh menutup/menyita, memindah, termasuk kuasa memecah masuk premis bagi melupuskan apa-apa peralatan yang dirampas.

6.19 item ii. Dicadangkan jumlah bangunan yang dibenarkan menjalankan industri ini pada satu deretan bangunan pada kadar 1:5
(meaning to say, only 1 out of 5 units are allowed to be used for SSP's... and even this is attached with other conditions).

So next week they will table the 1GP... with all the do's and dont's... must this and that... if the cabinet does approve of such policies... then there's not much we can do. One obviously good thing about it, commercial lots are safe, as long as they abide and follow the rules... which translates into recommendations by 5-7 relevant agencies before licensing approval. It would seem Datuk Beh has done his job... on the other hand it would also seem that instead of DVS being the 'peneraju'... most of the authority is held by PBT's (and we all know which agency is synonymous with CORRUPTION and ABUSE of power).

What i really disagree is the change of land status for stand alones. JPBD itself doesn't have a standard specification for standalones... whatmore PBT. Commercial lots of course have CF... but asking standalones to follow suit... dunno la... lost for words. I am tempted to ask JPBD or PBT do they have standard specs for kandang lembu, kambing as well (SSP's is categorized as industry asas tani). I am also tempted to ask them to issue CF's for kandang lembu feedlot in the middle of estates or kolam ikan canvas or greenhouses (by definition 'pembangunan' could mean a single tiang yang dinaikkan). Since most agriland are 'kawasan kawalan' and not 'kawasan operasi'... i tend to use this loophole. If they want to gazette agriland into 'kawasan operasi'... lets see the kampung folk riot and bring the ruling party down (in other words... from no taxes, to being taxed). Cergau, thanks for the definitions of the land code... i only had them in BM, which ended up making me more confused. Its good material for reference).

Despite all this said... i do understand why they are doing this. The DVS faced a similar issue years back with poultry, namely chicken farming (kandang terbuka/tertutup). However... it should not be compared with that industry since there is a marked difference. A very-very big difference. Whatever it is... i plan to oppose parts of the draft. Screw them... they should have offered the public to view the draft earlier on and get feed back from a wider range of audiences. Not all of us are members of associations. I think i'll become a cynic like bro Cergau la. ;p
Agri to bangunan land... nak pergi convert satu hal!!(Pejabat Tanah, another agency littered with corruption).

I'll be making some noise tomorrow. It seems Unit Walit (seksyen aneka haiwan) is moving by itself without considering input from state DVS. Don't know how true that is yet. They made the old GAHP in a rushed and messy way... repeating the same mistake is not favorable for the departments integrity. All i can say, this new guideline will be a haven for MACC... opening far more corruption opportunities! Horey 1Malaysia!!!

(my apologies to all forumers... i do not have a scanner available here... i bloody want to share and get feedback from others)

hackwire... the powerful dark force might even be amongst SSP's themselves. Someone posted in V1 a proposal to the Johor State government... whereby a state controlled company was to handle A to Z regarding swiftlets... even licensing!!! One special purpose vehicle to rule them all! Bloody politicians (thank God they revised the GAHP, if not i believe many other state gov's might follow such an example). about public opinion... we still need to educate the public in whatever capacity we can. they normally hate or fear things they do not understand (typical Malay attitude, call me a racist if you want).

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Added on February 20, 2010, 11:09 amBro Cergau, can u post the link for the National Land Code? thx.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Feb 20 2010, 11:09 AM

We all share your compassion bro WW. The truth be told... we might be small flies... but we carry a contagious disease called transparency, democracy & the industry's interest. I believe Datuk Beh has done whatever he can... and this proven, by no mention of removing commercial lot BH's anywhere in the guideline. We win some, lose some but never take things lying down... we must voice out our dissatisfaction especially when theres a basis for it.

Saying so... Malays own agriland & Malay reserves which mostly are agri. The proposed conversion of agri to building will bring about a few consequences;

1. Leceh/Hassle dealing with Pej tanah, PBT, JBPD and the other half dozen or so agencies which will have to give favorable comments BEFORE any business pr premise license is issued. Yeah... corruption 101, the more levels/people involved, the more opportunity for abuse. Well my commercial lot friends... looks like i'll be getting a taste of what you guys have faced all these years!

2. it may as well increase land value. A positive thing?

3. As mentioned... ikut specs apa???? Standalones must follow the same quality of build as those of commercial lots, hotels, residential buildings??? (this even JPBD tak tau and blur). This will increase cost... definitely.

4. Since taxes and permits are paid... as clients of PBT, we could demand services... say, lampu jalan... besarkan jalan or making an access road, kutipan sampah... etc2. What, you think i wanna pay for nothing in return??? Silap besar la. I'll demand and hunt them down until they get sick or jump off from the 12th story. They brought this to my door steps, i'm gonna give them a taste of their own medicine... and the buety of it... i have the time and sadistic joy of doing so.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Feb 20 2010, 11:55 AM