I 100% agree with ChanK. I do not know Datuk Beh personally... whether or not there are other hidden interests... but i do know i am relieved that no order was mentioned for our commercial lot BH friends to move out... like what happened previously to our Sabak friends with Ronnie Liu.

It is WRONG for DVS to only get input from certain associations. They should have done what KL did, circulate publicly KL's new master-plan and get input. They should have distributed some sort of feedback questionnaires, hold briefings at every state level and have debates or discussions with BH owners. Not all BH owners are association members, not all owners have access to internet or updates about the 1GP... it is the DVS's duty to get as much input possible from every corner of the industry and inform those involved.

Today i've met a lot of enthusiasts, ranging from many backgrounds. I even met some acquaintances of Engineer Lee (i wonder why he hasn't been posting lately), Uncle Ben, Jahani and a lot of interesting people. Good day this day. Happy.

I've confirmed that the draft i have is the draft 1GP with a state level director. We will soon lose a bloody good state director who is not only committed to the industry... but at the same time pushing with whatever capacity his office bears to the federal level. There are things he highlighted many times over to central... but the guys higher up seem to have compacted ear wax. Lets just say he shares what most of us aspire for... facilitation, not frustration. I wish more gov officers were like him.

I don't know where exactly to upload for pdf files, so i used scribd instead. Sorry lambat post, its due to be tabled in cabinet next week. Like most policies, it will be tabled a few times. I'm thinking of bugging the Unit Walit (aneka haiwan) Putrajaya again soon.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/27157792/1GP-Draft

The commercial lots, there won't be much difference with the 2005 guideline or regulations imposed by KPKT (kementerian perumahan dan kerajaan tempatan, i'll post the PBT guideline tonight), but once it becomes policy, the enforcement may become more stringent and widespread. Those who previously were not approached by PBT, will be approached. Leniency might be a thing of the past. Still, since no move out order was mentioned, i am relieved. Previously Jabatan Perancang Bandar & Desa was minimally involved, but not they may play a vital role... this being based on the Land Code whereby for state matters, they can issue orders whether an area can or cannot be developed for swiftlet activities.

Some contents of the guideline are contradictory. Distance from residential areas (the 0.5km & 150m), usage of audio. A ratio of 1 out of every 5 lots are allowed for swiftlet activities. Standalones on agri land MUST be converted to Building.

WHAT ISN'T mentioned... the existing lots that clearly 'violate' the proposed guideline. We must be wary of this since in the end, a policy will depend on its implementation and since the executors are mostly the PBT... they can and will enforce the powers allocated.

Lets follow the cabinet response closely.

Brother Lucas 1!!!

Bro birdfarm, an advocate from DVS (Department of Veterinary Services) confirmed the copy in hand is the 1GP, whether its the latest version or not, was not mentioned. For those unfamiliar with draft/revised policies... all i can say... the language used initially is in Malay... not only with typos but confusing sentences as well. Cabinet papers... professional... humm... some... not all, trust me on that. I had experience translating a few policies under KPDN & KPWKM... i tell you... i felt like shooting the guys that made these policies. Most of the people drafting policies are Malays, but damn... some sentences don't make any sense, and initial drafts typically use outdated data & indicators (due to the simple fact that they don't have any recent ones).

What is mentioned by DVS friends... MOA, specifically DVS is under pressure from other ministries. Politicians have seen the 'potential' squeezing from the industry... this itself is motivation enough for them to use terms such as 'organizing', 'regulating' & 'monitoring' and giving past experiences with commercial poultry/chicken farming as excuses (it is a valid excuse to me, BUT they must understand that SSP is different, ia bukan ternakan secara conventional, even the word 'ternakan' is not accurate and does not describe SSP properly). Those drafting the 1GP are government servants... boss say do, they do. i agree with hackwire's method, garner more and more support... spread the word... possibly we all sign a memorandum or make a unified bantahan which must be visible to the media. For now, link our networks... and standby to see the 1GP being tabled.

I am beginning to see ChanK's point... previously the GAHP was not so clear cut about the rolls of PBT (pihak berkuasa tempatan or the local council). With the 1GP further strengthening and giving PBT more authority... damn... can't imagine the consequences. Forget about the black sheeps of the industry... those law abiding BH's will also be squeezed... here's the standard guideline followed by most PBT's, issued by KPKT (Kementerian Perumahan & Kerajaan Tempatan).

Here's what most PBT's are using previously... since 2005. The circular mentioned working together with other agencies. Different PBT's may have different approaches, some may link with 2 or 3 agencies, some may link with more before considering approval. Just remember... commercial lots licensing comes under PBT's licensing, but for standalones under its OSC/Pusat setempat that refers to JPBD (Jabatan Perancangan Bandar & Desa). This 1GP will definitely further empower PBT's authority...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/27229117/KPKT-2005-Guideline

Sorry late reply. Been on the road. Trying to get some feedback from a Pakatan MP, just to see if they are aware of this issue... and if they are, what is their stand. I think we need to play both parts of the divide... as long as SSP's interest are protected. MP's should have copies of items to be tabled in advanced.

I welcome anyone to verify the 1GP i posted is genuine or not. I'm beginning to pray that it isn't and that you guys prove me wrong.

Give me time to get more input about this issue. Will update regularly.

About PERHILITAN's authority... its a matter of definition. The issue is not whether its endangered or protected... the issue here is the term 'wild animal' or haiwan liar. I had a bloody lengthy talk with their bahagian perundangan about this.


Quoting Cergau;

"demonstrations"....I can picture Dunsun suddenly perk up with anticipation with a crazy look in his eyes.
Down Dunsun!, Down!!

hahahaha... if it is necessary, you can bet on it!!! participated before in such activities.


I beg Lucas 1, WW, Uncle Ben, Eng Lee or any old guy (i say this with pure affection) to lead our effort. Saying this bluntly, i am too inexperienced politically and lack the finesse of an old timer, but i can do work, korek2 maklumat, run about lobbying friends and erm... other things that might be necessary (and legally, of course).

For now i suggest;

1. We get direct info from MP's. So anyone with contacts, please ask around. Doesn't matter which side of the political divide.

2. Based on the draft 1GP, one of us compile recommendations to ensure the 1GP represents the industry better. This will not work unless a survey or poll is done... this will need elaborate networking & team effort.

3. We follow closely cabinets movement's regarding the 1GP. It takes several tabling before becoming policy (normally). Once tabled, immediately revise the recommendations/memorandum and get as many signatories possible let it be thru associations or individuals.

4. Garner support from your associations, make a stand to reject a non-productive 1GP.

5. Spam every existing forum about this issue.

6. All of us contribute posting to our PM's facebook & 1Malaysia website.... REGULARLY (everyday if possible).

7. If the 1GP tabled somehow suntut's the industry so hard... for instance some unexpected ruling that will wipe out existing BH's... i propose a peaceful demo.

Thanks all.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Feb 23 2010, 05:32 PM

hmm... am i being presumptuous that the guideline would be tabled during persidangan cabinet? i thought thats how policies were made? since its a national policy thing, involving a large number of people, investors, land owners, brokers, exporters... and VOTERS... is the government really going to table something that lacks proper representation?

i also have no idea who the hell the "Steering Committee for the National Swiftlet Industry" are. Searching.

So it would seem despite DVS being the 'peneraju'... it's the PBT that holds the real power. Just great, really great. This is getting really, really distressing. DVS is officially neutered.

Wake up call to all Associations!!!! If you have contacts among these associations, give them a ring.

PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG, PANTAI REMIS, PERAK.
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG MALAYSIA (MALAYSIA BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG MUAR, JOHOR (MUAR BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION, JOHOR)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI KEDAH
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI JOHOR (JOHOR BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI KELANTAN (KELANTAN BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI PAHANG (PAHANG BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION )
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI PERAK (PERAK BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI PERLIS (PERLIS BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI SARAWAK (SARAWAK BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI TERENGGANU, MALAYSIA
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG WALET DUNGUN, TERENGGANU (PESAWA)
PERSATUAN PEMBEKAL SARANG BURUNG SARAWAK (SARAWAK BIRD'S NEST SUPPLIERS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PENGIMPORT DAN PENGEKSPORT SARANG BURUNGSARAWAK
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA RUMAH BURUNG WALET MELAYU TERENGGANU
PERSATUAN PERUSAHAAN RUMAH BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG DAN SARANG BURUNG, SABAH
PERSATUAN PEMELIHARA BURUNG WALIT DAERAH ROMPIN, PAHANG
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA BURUNG WALIT DAERAH KEMAMAN,TERENGGANU
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA SARANG BURUNG WALIT NEGERI PAHANG
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA SARANG BURUNG WALIT PULAU PINANG (ASSOCIATION OF SWIFTLET NESTS INDUSTRY, PENANG)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG, PANTAI REMIS, PERAK. PERAK PERDAGANGAN
PERSATUAN PEMILIK GUDANG BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG NEGERI SEMBILAN
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA ALAM FAUNA BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG DAERAH MANJUNG, PERAK
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA INDUSTRI SARANG BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG NEGERI KELANTAN
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA SARANG BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG KUALA KRAI, KELANTAN
PERSATUAN PERUSAHAAN RUMAH BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG DAN SARANG BURUNG, SABAH (SABAH SWIFTLET HOUSE AND BIRD'S NEST INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION)

Count me in for an SSP association. Get reps from each state, make it a national level association.

Yes, please forward DL's message. Will meet someone later today to discuss the issue. Already posted something on 1Malaysia's site, waiting for moderation.

Engineer Lee, we missed you.

Had a good meeting. I don't know what i can do now, but i target to inform more Malay owners about the issue... personally if need be. Wish me luck.

ChanK, say where and i'll be there for the formation meeting. An association should represent the industry properly.

Will have limited inet access (since last week).

Please, an alternative association might be one form of solution. DL, give the word and i foresee many joining.

Some PBT's guides/forms for swiftlet activities.

MPKajang
http://www.mpkj.gov.my/c/document_library/...a&groupId=10131

MPManjung
http://mpm.gov.my/c/document_library/get_f...me=DLFE-603.pdf

MDSabak Bernam
http://www.mdsb.gov.my/88?p_p_id=101_INSTA...P_assetId=17971

I am assuming other locations use either a composite form or a temporary permit form and refer to the KPKT guideline i posted previously. Imagine when full authority is given to PBT to regulate SSP's...

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Feb 27 2010, 04:56 PM

read previous posts... please read carefully what i posted, i asked fellow forumers to verify the draft i got. i verified with pbt & DVS officers. Someone mentioned it might have been at least 6 months old, or the Dec 09 draft. When was the workshop in Seremban held again? Lets say it is an outdated draft... as many mentioned here said... where is the REAL DRAFT TO BE TABLED IN CABINET? I don't see anyone posting links to it. If it was based on that older version, it is still not facilitative towards the industry, at least from my pov. All i see is DVS being a so called 'peneraju'... but all the authority held by PBT... being more and more empowered. Unless the pbt & dvs guys are pulling my leg... we all now are aware and wary of the 1GP... where is the industry representation? How can we participate making the 1GP more FACILITATIVE and NOT RESTRICTIVE.

Most of us are even unaware of the Seremban workshop recommendations... did anyone post details? (if ada, pls link). I don't care about the politics of the swiftlet industry, all i care is that the 1GP should not hinder more new participation and be ruled autocratically by PBT's, which by tradition is festered with corruption and power abuse. All i know is that most agencies promise the world, but rarely deliver since those with interest have invisible hands pulling the strings.

Somehow i agree with Lucas 1, why... since all this while hasn't the 1GP (outdated or final draft or revised or whatever) be publicly released, at least to associations for feedback? Does anyone else have such a copy (outdated or final or whatever), so we can compare if any changes are done? tuckfook, please i beg you to ask dr.fadzilah for clarification.

WW, can you ask your association friends to request from dvs as well? been busy doing minor jobs at bh. lambat siap.

2morrow will meet some of you, can you please pm others, aeiou228, swift4ever, achard, yuyanzhe, tomytan, greenacres and others if they are available as well, please. if need be, reset another time and date convenient for all. we can still initially meet and lay out what to do. fellow forumers, please pm me your email address, easier to forward and discuss time & location, privately. the least we can do is form a group to monitor this 1GP.

Dearest friends and advocates of SSP's, my sincerest apologies for this unwarranted silence. Had some personal issues to face, solve and execute... from audio problems, to orgying owls partying at the entry hole, snakes, modifying the roof, some swiftlet education activities, some politicking stuff and a personal vendetta. I've been doing things within my means... inline with my beliefs about the industry, as well as trying to make it a community based industry (which still needs to be proven).

Personal apologies to Uncle Lucas, Cergau, ray, CK, hackwire, htc. Will be active again early next month. Updating info with DVS & JBPD.

I'll jumble up pm's replies here, as unspecific as possible.

It will be an honor to meet you WW. Will ring you up once i smell the ocean breeze.

I emailed some of you, by the way.

Thanks for the newsclips & updates. Skimmed thru pages. Totally in a cave (BH). Celcom broadband sucks here.

Just to share some info. After spraying parfum & applying shit (swiftlet's, not mine)... the birds fly very-very low despite no audio. Now i understand the meaning of 'keen sense of smell'. Audio problem... cpu condemned. Damn.

Bobby C, i will also have a chance to meet Fatchih Marzuki end of May. Will hope to gain more knowledge and see for myself the practices done in Indonesia. Will share the experience.

Lets all educate the people around us about the industry. If each of us plays our part, it will benefit the industry in the long run.

ps. can't hold back... Celcom broadband sucks.