anyway.. to all proton/perodua basher and haters,

no need to create every single new threads only to tell how worthless  these 2 car company r..

it's annoying..

just buy the GOD-ly toyota and honda, and shut up!

U r indeed correct, basicly that is the main concern of proton, They never aim their market for high end ppl or vip, so that is why u never see an expensive luxurious car made by proton except the old perdana, but malaysian who own accord 2008, estima, alphard etc will bash proton without knowing much what they are saying.

Ppl who works in automotive field should know this.

About topgear, I've started watching the program since the "kelisa bashing" all over the internet, but decided to stop watching after 2-3 program ever since, I made that decision when seeing the program is just about how good the car when cornering,sliding,engine torque,safety and things that only concern by the old man host. They didnt even want to take it deeper and they bash the car if they didnt like it.

I'm suggesting u guyz to not to listen to the bad mouth comment , it just like a bad comment from old aunty neighbour

I'm really not into this bashing thing but certain things have got to be said.

Protectionism made proton/perodua complacent. Come July 9 2009, this will be 25 years Proton are in business and 25 years is a long time in the automotive industry. Too long a time not to improve and to become competitive. The only reason for its survival is 'protection money' we pay when any of us tries buying a foreign make. I am a proud Malaysian, lest you think I'm not but it does not stop me from being a little dissatisfied with how a 'giant' of a company like Proton lacking in so many way yet get away with it.

Someone here said it's because Proton want people who make RM1K to be able to drive a car. I say people who earns RM1K SHOULD NOT be driving a car. They should be taking public transport. This is because they have more serious things to do with their life, like family and survival. Car in any price or form to these people should be a luxury, not a necessity. So, stop focusing on these people.

Enough is said about national cars being the 'junk' and low standards as they are. Accept the fact that as long as we, the rakyat, condones what these 2 companies are doing and the government for protecting them, things will never change. Just like the politics and the administration of this country...you can see it clearly everyday in the news.

I say...compete or risk dying a slow death. The rakyat should be proud and not accept you as second best because of lack of choice. There ARE other choices. I support FTA as it gives true value to the consumer. And it forces Proton/Perodua to actually listen to the people who pays them money. At last.

Clarkson's quote:

aiyo.. if everyone could affort a BMW rather than proton or produa...
the vendors will intent to support more expensive and high quality items for the cars ..

since we are malaysian and we know our standard, we had to own a car not a moving VILLA on the road to reach point a - b...

eh... honda and toyota has problems too...
but mostly malaysian uses proton and produa so we cant argue on that.

yeap, Malaysian CKD honda & toyota are crappy 2, but still not as bad as proton, but to keep in mind that japan build honda and toyota are DEFINITELY GOOD, tom yam land build honda toyota I think quite good also lah judging from experience.

oh yah, one more thing...even ckd merc & bmw are crappy as well, just go to motor trader forum to see the shit malaysian build ckd bmw owner are facing...

bottom line, don't buy anything made in malaysia!!! for those who can't afford a decent car like say a cbu japanese/german build car... its still ok lah, just that ppl will say its a tin can shit car, what to do lah this is malaysia, just swallow ur pride & accept the fact...

yeap, Malaysian CKD honda & toyota are crappy 2, but still not as bad as proton, but do keep in mind that japan build honda and toyota are DEFINITELY GOOD, tom yam land build honda toyota I think quite good also lah judging from experience.

oh yah, one more thing...even ckd merc & bmw are crappy as well, just go to motor trader forum to see the shit malaysian build ckd bmw owner are facing...

bottom line, don't buy anything made in malaysia!!! for those who can't afford a decent car like say a cbu japanese/german build car... its still ok lah, just that ppl will say its a tin can shit car, what to do lah this is malaysia, just swallow ur pride & accept the fact...

That is the brain washed mentality that local car makers are trying to put into everyone's head.

You guys dont get it.

If you remove the protectionism, prices of other carmakers cars that is better in quality, performance, etc will be almost the same as what you pay for a Persona or Waja. Its nothing about whether Proton can make this or that. Its we're paying more, for less, because of the protection given to local car manufacturers.

Take out the high import duties on foreign car. Then with the same amount of money you are paying for a "mid range Proton" such as Gen2/Persona/Waja, you can get a better performing, better quality car. Wit 25 years, you'd expect Proton be able to provide a car that is at least comparable with other foreign manufacturers, but nooooo, protectionism made them sloppy and complacent.

Bro .. if is so shit, y dont you u go somewhere else ... ??

I can tell u now that life here is not perfect, but we should be aware of all the other benefits that we obtain.... if you go other country where car cheap you will encounter other things like HIGH fuel prices, Taxes and such...so its give or take 1... wan cheap car, have high tax and vice versa.....

Proton is building up its standards... last time no safety, now ABS systems and airbags are in place, they offer alot for the price, i have driven my sisters SAGA and i must say its a great drive for the price... u must look at other people who are not able to buy the "perfect" CBU models, which also have problems mind you.... So this helps those of lower income groups to survive...

Must remember also... not all the CKD cars or even protons have problems... IMO protons are driven by most malaysian and therefore take a large ratio or the cars on the road, this makes them more prone to complaints because or the large amount of customers to provide feedback... So lets say if 2 in 10 cars have defects and proton sells 100 000 and other manufacture sell only 10 000.. meaning P= 20000 cars with defects and Other manufacturer only 2000 cars with defects, get my point ?

BTW.... What car you driving?? a German CBU ?? 

All the above is my opinion, Sorry if i insulted anyone 

I'm definitely not driving a shit tin can car...

but who cares what car I'm driving cause even if I drive a BMW ckd/cbu a proton is still a proton, its shit tin car!!! and that's a fact for over 20yrs now...no improvement...
better get a myvi lah...at least that in a tin can car not a shit tin can car...All the above is my opinion, Sorry if i insulted anyone 

erroneous on every of the bolded ones.

1) go ahead then, buy urself bimmer. cannot afford? so shut the fxck up.

2) no improvement. this is blatantly a lie. i can make 20 improvements in a list that proton has been doing over 20 years back.

3) tin car or whatever, please shut up for the good of ur mother. 

i am not blaming him. mybe somesort of a retarded people coming here and think hes the smartest ass around. we all know about proton and how things been going on these years.

I'm definitely not driving a shit tin can car...

but who cares what car I'm driving cause even if I drive a BMW ckd/cbu a proton is still a proton, its shit tin car!!! and that's a fact for over 20yrs now...no improvement...

better get a myvi lah...at least that in a tin can car not a shit tin can car...All the above is my opinion, Sorry if i insulted anyone 

erroneous on every of the bolded ones.

1) go ahead then, buy urself bimmer. cannot afford? so shut the fxck up.

2) no improvement. this is blatantly a lie. i can make 20 improvements in a list that proton has been doing over 20 years back.

3) tin car or whatever, please shut up for the good of ur mother. 

i am not blaming him. mybe somesort of a retarded people coming here and think hes the smartest ass around. we all know about proton and how things been going on these years.

erroneous on every of the bolded ones.

1) go ahead then, buy urself bimmer. cannot afford? so shut the fxck up.

2) no improvement. this is blatantly a lie. i can make 20 improvements in a list that proton has been doing over 20 years back.

3) tin car or whatever, please shut up for the good of ur mother. 

i am not blaming him. mybe somesort of a retarded people coming here and think hes the smartest ass around. we all know about proton and how things been going on these years.

Don't mind him (and people like him lar). Wasting time only.