i agree on wat ur saying, wat car company wana sell a car dat is easy 2 fall apart, its bcos of dis kinda ppl dat wana make big money by selling low end parts.. wat i understand is if i haf a car company i wouldnt wan 2 sell a tin can wif wheels, i wana sell a gud quality car. proton wana get gud parts 4 low price bcos they wana let d ppl earning under rm1k per month use a car 4 family use. dats wat i understand. correct me if im wrong cos i dun knw how 2 xplain it properly....

for them... lambo, ferraris, porsche are only considered as a 'car'... u cant blame them... they are reviewer and bash lousy cars... well, of course, what u pay for is what u get...

1 lambo can buy how many kelisas u know... each one of the kelisa go bang the lambo the lambo oso die lar... hahaaa!

how can u compare, rite...

hahaha yah lorh.. 4 us lambo is just a dream.. hahahah

I agree with you. But they should also give some face to other cars le... It's not like everyone in the world has that kinda money to get those "cars" which they call cars. For me if I have even a Kancil to drive I am already happy.

good bash, so now lets see if our 2 dearly car manufacture will respond or just keep quiet
anyway, dont give me a shit about perodua is better than proton because it is perodua = daihatsu = toyota bullshit

U r indeed correct, basicly that is the main concern of proton, They never aim their market for high end ppl or vip, so that is why u never see an expensive luxurious car made by proton except the old perdana, but malaysian who own accord 2008, estima, alphard etc will bash proton without knowing much what they are saying.

Ppl who works in automotive field should know this.

About topgear, I've started watching the program since the "kelisa bashing" all over the internet, but decided to stop watching after 2-3 program ever since, I made that decision when seeing the program is just about how good the car when cornering,sliding,engine torque,safety and things that only concern by the old man host. They didnt even want to take it deeper and they bash the car if they didnt like it.

I'm suggesting u guyz to not to listen to the bad mouth comment , it just like a bad comment from old aunty neighbour

Fifth Gear + Proton = The Truth



Btw, I'm planning to get a Savvy when I first start to work

haiz...
proton n perodua mus do ownself..
no more copycat laa..

copycat of what

I'm really not into this bashing thing but certain things have got to be said.

Protectionism made proton/perodua complacent. Come July 9 2009, this will be 25 years Proton are in business and 25 years is a long time in the automotive industry. Too long a time not to improve and to become competitive. The only reason for its survival is 'protection money' we pay when any of us tries buying a foreign make. I am a proud Malaysian, lest you think I'm not but it does not stop me from being a little dissatisfied with how a 'giant' of a company like Proton lacking in so many way yet get away with it.

Someone here said it's because Proton want people who make RM1K to be able to drive a car. I say people who earns RM1K SHOULD NOT be driving a car. They should be taking public transport. This is because they have more serious things to do with their life, like family and survival. Car in any price or form to these people should be a luxury, not a necessity. So, stop focusing on these people.

Enough is said about national cars being the 'junk' and low standards as they are. Accept the fact that as long as we, the rakyat, condones what these 2 companies are doing and the government for protecting them, things will never change. Just like the politics and the administration of this country...you can see it clearly everyday in the news.

I say...compete or risk dying a slow death. The rakyat should be proud and not accept you as second best because of lack of choice. There ARE other choices. I support FTA as it gives true value to the consumer. And it forces Proton/Perodua to actually listen to the people who pays them money. At last.

well... even with RM3k per month salary ( newly wedding ), I still can say can't afford vios or city.. so proton is still the choice

This post has been edited by Invader Zim: Feb 15 2009, 11:30 AM

Precisely the point...without protection, people with or without the money will buy cars according to their affordability. This does not mean the govt. should 'charge' a premium for those who can afford it to buy foreign. Eg. a 2009 Honda City costs RM89,980, it's actual cost minus duties is RM61,980. That's a RM28K difference to what we should be paying and what we are charged! The rest of the countries that has this model (Thailand, India, China, Australia etc...) charges around RM60K plus for the car. So, this is not fair to the rakyat.

You will choose your car of whatever make based on how much you can afford. If prices and qualities are all the same, the purchaser will make their minds based on their pocket. So, there's no need to protect the national car makers. It only makes them better with competition.

with now malaysian mentality, eg: other country products are always better

proton will die in a few years, surely


anyway, BN@PR government. both will not lift up 200% taxes

trust me



This post has been edited by Invader Zim: Feb 15 2009, 11:58 AM

all the gov are same....
but they use other method..
cheap car ... expensive petrol, roadtax, insurance, tax.. etc

apparently, automotive industry is one of their major source of income to fund the goverment.. i dont see the reason why is it a problem?
if u r dirt rich, go ahead get the lambo despite the massive tax imposed..
if u only can afford after the tax reduced or no tax (imposibble), most probably u still not rich enough to drive such car
and im talking about maintenence, accidents etc

oh, dont get me wrong, i do think the tax imposed is too high.. and im just driving a mere proton wira

Blame game huh?
Proton is just too stupid. Thats it. Why dont you think of a reason why this doesnt happened to Toyota or Honda?
Heck, even the lowly Perodua now makes a better car than Proton.

This is a company waiting to be doom if it keep the same people inside the management. It has got to change and change right now.
I got a couple of clients who used to manufacture parts for Proton as well. They are literally out of business due to the fact that the parts that are being ordered now runs into hundreds of pieces instead of ten of thousands of pieces few years back. If you are wise enough, one would know very well, that when you mass manufacture, you would keep the cost down and this is not what Proton is doing. What they would have do normally with metal stamping has to be replaced with laser cut which not only increase the cost but also the quality is also affected. Thats not all, Proton even outsource car production to other smaller factories around Malaysia. I dont really see a point to do that when you cant even sell more than you can produce. Why did they do that again?

If the government is wise enough, they would have killed Proton years ago. I dont see how this company now makes money from selling RM30K+ Proton Saga compared to those days where it sells Wira close to Rm50k and Waja for over RM60k. The management of Proton is really the garbage of the automotive industry.

epic phail...climbing hill the fastest does not make it a better car, besides I assume if you do get one you're mostly going to drive it on flat road...
in my opinion for an A 2 B car, myvi is better...but both are still shit cars...

This post has been edited by -҉-: Feb 15 2009, 01:51 PM

anyway.. to all proton/perodua basher and haters,

no need to create every single new threads only to tell how worthless these 2 car company r..

it's annoying..

just buy the GOD-ly toyota and honda, and shut up!



This post has been edited by Invader Zim: Feb 15 2009, 02:01 PM

aiyo.. if everyone could affort a BMW rather than proton or produa...


the vendors will intent to support more expensive and high quality items for the cars ..

since we are malaysian and we know our standard, we had to own a car not a moving VILLA on the road to reach point a - b...

Clarkson's quote:


This post has been edited by yehlai: Feb 15 2009, 02:13 PM