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QUOTE(Wan @ Feb 3 2009, 01:10 PM)
As long as we can maintain/pick up our form, I'm not too worried, not yet anyway. Right now we're grinding out results. But we can play far better than what we've shown so far, definitely. We're playing in 3rd gear.

Liverpool, could trouble us a bit if they hang on till the final month. If they can keep their main players fit throughout and in form, they would definitely be there. If they get a really good winger or two, then they will consistently challenge for the title.
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1) Being serious and not knocking Liverpool just for the sake of it.
2) Post starts here:

To be fair, as I've mentioned in previous posts, I still look at Chelsea as our main contenders. I have always believed that Scolari would have played a better brand of football if he had Robinho and Joe Cole on the flanks but given that one of them is injured fro the season and the other, isn't here, it's still rather quite impressive to see such a WEAK Chelsea (- Essien, Carvalho, Cole) team have always come back after being defeated by big teams (drawn 1 lost 5 against Big 4 teams)!

Liverpool on the other hand, with Torres (I can't remember any major injuries or omissions) are playing shite and have had trouble grinding out results and when they do get a big one, they rest on their laurels rather than go on ruthless title-winning runs. And in an event where Torres gets fatigued or Torres doesn't work in a game, whom do you bring on? icon_question.gif

My point exactly......
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post Feb 3 2009, 08:16 PM

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People should lay off Liverpool, especially Benitez. We should be grateful to him. Him cracking up and presenting all those supposed fahcts gave us an opening. Had it been a more sane manager, we would probablly still be second.

So from the bottom of my heart, I love you Rafael Benitez. May this marriage between you and Liverpool go on for a very, very long time.

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post Feb 3 2009, 10:39 PM

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6 months, if players didn't fit in, the managers better sold them fast if not the player's value will drop like flies. Just imagine them having Vida and Evra, or Henry.. after 6 months, all sold off. notworthy.gif


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1) Being serious and not knocking Liverpool just for the sake of it.
2) Post starts here:

To be fair, as I've mentioned in previous posts, I still look at Chelsea as our main contenders. I have always believed that Scolari would have played a better brand of football if he had Robinho and Joe Cole on the flanks but given that one of them is injured fro the season and the other, isn't here, it's still rather quite impressive to see such a WEAK Chelsea (- Essien, Carvalho, Cole) team have always come back after being defeated by big teams (drawn 1 lost 5 against Big 4 teams)!

Liverpool on the other hand, with Torres (I can't remember any major injuries or omissions) are playing shite and have had trouble grinding out results and when they do get a big one, they rest on their laurels rather than go on ruthless title-winning runs. And in an event where Torres gets fatigued or Torres doesn't work in a game, whom do you bring on?  icon_question.gif

My point exactly......
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Sure they have quality players, but they just don't seem to work ATM(Chelsea). Not sure Scolari is right for this league.. but he's still new and haven't had the chance to mold his own team. Liverpool are more settled and have a solid 1st 11(except the wingers) right now. But like you said, a few injuries, and they won't look so good.

We just need to maintain(improve, we can play far better regularly) our own form. If we do that we should be OK. Our squad seem to cope fine so far with injuries all happening at the same time. Now with almost all of them back, I'm hoping we would perform far better. Expecting a lot from Rooney, especially in the scoring department. Hoping he would get that scoring touch back, which seems to only happen for 1 month and a half for him every season.

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sure he will kena injured 1... doh.gif
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QUOTE(Wan @ Feb 3 2009, 10:39 PM)
6 months, if players didn't fit in, the managers better sold them fast if not the player's value will drop like flies. Just imagine them having Vida and Evra, or Henry.. after 6 months, all sold off. notworthy.gif
Judging Player's ability = 2/10?

Liverpool: Defective Purchase = Sell immediately.

Product Instruction: Charge product 6 - 8 months for full performance.

I guess they didn't read the instruction first???

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Rooney is such a potent threat when he's willing to shoot and test the goalkeeper, and not just pass. I downloaded the videos during his scoring stint this season ie. against West Brom and he was really fantastic. Any half chance was converted into a real scoring threat.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 3 2009, 08:07 PM)
1) Being serious and not knocking Liverpool just for the sake of it.
2) Post starts here:

To be fair, as I've mentioned in previous posts, I still look at Chelsea as our main contenders. I have always believed that Scolari would have played a better brand of football if he had Robinho and Joe Cole on the flanks but given that one of them is injured fro the season and the other, isn't here, it's still rather quite impressive to see such a WEAK Chelsea (- Essien, Carvalho, Cole) team have always come back after being defeated by big teams (drawn 1 lost 5 against Big 4 teams)!

Liverpool on the other hand, with Torres (I can't remember any major injuries or omissions) are playing shite and have had trouble grinding out results and when they do get a big one, they rest on their laurels rather than go on ruthless title-winning runs. And in an event where Torres gets fatigued or Torres doesn't work in a game, whom do you bring on?  icon_question.gif

My point exactly......
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I agree that Chelsea ought to be Utd's main rival and contender for the title given that they have better players than us overall. Our starting 11 are no pushovers, but beyond that our quality drops off a lot compared to Utd and Chelsea.

This is the reason I question the timing of Keane's departure. I can see the economic ramifications of keeping him till the summer since he's already 29 and theoretically at his peak. His value ain't gonna climb, especially given that I think we had paid over the fair value for him. Yet, he's more established than the replacements we have. So this is certainly a risky gamble.

Was it a mistake bringing Keane in? The boss thinks so.

Is it better to cut our losses now? He thinks so too.

You're right, we've not been playing well eventhough we've been able to get results. Good enough to be in 2nd place but not enough to be 1st at this stage.

As for Torres, he has not started many games for us this season due to hamstring injuries (twice!) coming back from friendlies. He has definitely been missed.


QUOTE(Wan @ Feb 3 2009, 10:39 PM)
6 months, if players didn't fit in, the managers better sold them fast if not the player's value will drop like flies. Just imagine them having Vida and Evra, or Henry.. after 6 months, all sold off. notworthy.gif
If as manager you realise you've made a mistake, how long do you wait before taking some decisive action? Do you wait till the end of the season and possibly let the mistake compound itself or do you amputate now?

I agree, from where I'm sitting 6 months is an awfully short time to pass judgment. But I'm sitting at home and not at the training ground, so I'm not privy to all the details of what's going on there.

Plus as was pointed out in some of the replies in the Pool thread, Keane is 29. Time's not on our side as far as gambling on giving him more time to fit in and waiting to offload in the summer. We paid 20M for a finished and polished product but it did not work out as expected. With Vidic, Evra and Henry (when he joined the Gunners), there was time to gamble since they weren't expected to be the finished product (if I'm not mistaken). And they weren't 29.

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QUOTE(corez @ Feb 3 2009, 01:03 PM)
They are good against big 4 but the rest of the 16 clubs? Anyway I remember they did the double on us couple of times this century but still no title.

However if currently we have a top 4 mini league, they are top, us third and Chelsea last.

BTW, happy Bday, same day huh  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ReAcTiVo @ Feb 3 2009, 01:11 PM)
ya lor...

same day, makin hari makin tua..

by the way happy birthday to you also...

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Happy belated birthday for both of u... waahh corez dah makin tuaaaa.. haha

Yeap.. we dont need to be worry for liverpool.. as long as their manager keep start that israelian on the bench, and keep playing great wide player, kite and superb dmf, lucas.. we have nothing to worries.. sigh

I really like what Anelka said regarding SAF.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Fyrekat @ Feb 4 2009, 12:43 AM)
I agree that Chelsea ought to be Utd's main rival and contender for the title given that they have better players than us overall. Our starting 11 are no pushovers, but beyond that our quality drops off a lot compared to Utd and Chelsea.

This is the reason I question the timing of Keane's departure. I can see the economic ramifications of keeping him till the summer since he's already 29 and theoretically at his peak. His value ain't gonna climb, especially given that I think we had paid over the fair value for him. Yet, he's more established than the replacements we have. So this is certainly a risky gamble.

Was it a mistake bringing Keane in? The boss thinks so.

Is it better to cut our losses now? He thinks so too.

You're right, we've not been playing well eventhough we've been able to get results. Good enough to be in 2nd place but not enough to be 1st at this stage.

As for Torres, he has not started many games for us this season due to hamstring injuries (twice!) coming back from friendlies. He has definitely been missed. 
If as manager you realise you've made a mistake, how long do you wait before taking some decisive action? Do you wait till the end of the season and possibly let the mistake compound itself or do you amputate now?

I agree, from where I'm sitting 6 months is an awfully short time to pass judgment. But I'm sitting at home and not at the training ground, so I'm not privy to all the details of what's going on there.

Plus as was pointed out in some of the replies in the Pool thread, Keane is 29. Time's not on our side as far as gambling on giving him more time to fit in and waiting to offload in the summer. We paid 20M for a finished and polished product but it did not work out as expected. With Vidic, Evra and Henry (when he joined the Gunners), there was time to gamble since they weren't expected to be the finished product (if I'm not mistaken). And they weren't 29.
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Chelsea's current starting 11 is weak but at full strength, it's better than Liverpool's or Arsenal's (I'm including Queresma into Chelsea's starting 11). I don't fancy Liverpool's 11. I think Aurelio, Carragher [at RB], Kuyt, 1 of Benayoun and Babel are weak links and still think Liverpool will struggle to break teams down. You lot will have trouble losing games but in equal measure, trouble winning them as well. I'm not convinced Chelsea would have lost with 11 men.

Problem with Keane's departure is that if Liverpool don't sell him now, they'd never be able to sell him back to Spurs and realistically, they are they only club who'd be daft enough to spend money on him at 29. They needed someone for the relegation fight with Defoe out and he does the job. And no, it was never going to work out from Day 1! Don't mention six months, Rafa from the start, never had Keane in his plans. If he were never given a chance, how'd you expect him to shine. Whenever Keane went on a run, he'd be placed in cold storage. How is that beneficial to Keane? Rafa, to me, orchestrated Keane's exit by making him look a worse player than he actually is.

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arshavin joins arsenal it will be a big boost for them...arshavin,fabregas,nasri,rosicky...it will be a strong formation...lol
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And Quaresma, would be really great to regularly watch him play in BPL.
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arshavin joins arsenal it will be a big boost for them...arshavin,fabregas,nasri,rosicky...it will be a strong formation...lol
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yeahh..what they have now is a fight for CL spot.. rclxms.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 4 2009, 01:02 AM)
Problem with Keane's departure is that if Liverpool don't sell him now, they'd never be able to sell him back to Spurs and realistically, they are they only club who'd be daft enough to spend money on him at 29. They needed someone for the relegation fight with Defoe out and he does the job. And no, it was never going to work out from Day 1! Don't mention six months, Rafa from the start, never had Keane in his plans. If he were never given a chance, how'd you expect him to shine. Whenever Keane went on a run, he'd be placed in cold storage. How is that beneficial to Keane? Rafa, to me, orchestrated Keane's exit by making him look a worse player than he actually is.
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Yup, and that's pretty much why it made sense to offload him now. We definitely will make a loss on the Keane deal but it was a case of cutting our losses as much as possible.

And while Rafa's decisions regarding Keane doesn't convince me he gave Keane a real chance, I think it has to be said that Keane himself didn't make the best of the chances that actually came his way.

Expensive mistake? Most definitely.
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I doubt the players are even training in this weather. So let's concentrate on the finer things in life - laughing at Liverpool.
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i overheard that quaresma is better than ronaldo in all aspect .. but he did say when he was in Porto where the obvious fact that ronaldo have not played for porto b4 also ... lol .... so im not sure how he compared ...

so i compared ronaldo's peak performance and quaresma's peak performance and found that ... it was no fight .... quaresma obviously won nothing i think hahaha
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man utd has been quiet lately, not much in transfer market, no ronaldo speculation this is weird haha... watch the game against WBA ..tosic look very short le in the field.. shorter than owen?

so another round of international friendly, will torres get injury again? or benitez don allow him to join in the game against england?


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About Keane (the smaller one biggrin.gif ), I pity Campbell actually. With Paly, Defoe, Bent and Keane around, Campbell has almost no chance to play. When Defoe is fit, Campbell has no chance to even sit on the bench. sad.gif Should have return to us and fight with Welbeck.
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Why is it that some people have to come up with some disparaging remark whenever a decent discussion is ongoing? Given that our football clubs do interact with each other, it's not like any discussion regarding the other club is going to be truly off topic.

Edit: I notice the remark I'm referring to seems to have been deleted.


QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 4 2009, 10:36 AM)
I doubt the players are even training in this weather. So let's concentrate on the finer things in life - laughing at Liverpool.
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Some people might consider that OT as well, since there seems to be this cloud of M.U.S.T is exclusive to Utd only and all other talk is cause for walking out.

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