why not try for an MPhil in the UK rather than MSc?

if u excel, u could just add another year to get a PhD.

1. What are the working hours in a private college (e.g., INTI, KDU, Monash) for a lecturer? Do they really squeeze every minute out of our schedule?
2. And how many months of term break do we get compared to IPTAs?
3. Do the requirements and remuneration discussed in this thread so far apply to English lecturers, too?

I'm 33 and thinking of applying for the post of an English lecturer. I have a Bachelor's degree in Comp. Sc., but have been working as a technical writer for the past 2 years. I have had very good results in English (in high school and uni), completed CELTA (Certificate in English Language Teaching to Adults), completed a Diploma course in writing, have some part-time experience teaching English, and a good portfolio of articles I've written in English. What are the chances of my being accepted as a lecturer in a private college or IPTA?

I'm also looking at studying for an MA in English/Creative Writing in the UK in 2 years' time. If I get accepted into an IPTA, will they be able to sponsor my MA?

And if I were to apply for a scholarship for the MA, what do I have to do to stand a good chance of being accepted? Any ideas of where I can get scholarships?

1. there's a big difference between IPTAs and IPTSs in malaysia. one clear difference is that IPTS dont require their staffs to obtain a PhD. without a PhD requirements, the lecturers are considered more as a teaching staff rather than researchers, which would translate to more time spent on teaching.

but will they squeeze the juice out of u? i have no idea.

2. each IPTS have a slightly different holiday durations. u gotta be more specific. IPTAs (for comparative purposes) have 1 month holiday between sem 1 and sem 2, and 3 months holiday after sem 2.

3. i dont know.



here's one thing u might need to consider:

IPTAs would almost never take anyone to teach outside their realm of expertise. meaning, with a degree in CS, it's gonna be hard for u to find a job as an english lecturer, no matter how good u are. this is simply bcoz there are numerous english graduates out there who are better equipped and trained to teach english than u are. which effectively rules out IPTAs sponsoring u.

HOWEVER...

u could do masters in english on ur own (maybe just in malaysia if u cant afford it). then the IPTAs might be willing to overlook ur degree in CS and usher u into a language school somewhere.

and yes, holding a masters would greatly bolsters ur chances.

4-5 years..
so how much is the measly pay for being a tutor?
If i'm accepted for the tutorship programme, will i continue getting the JPA scholarship or i got to apply for another and just break the bondage with JPA?But i still got about 6,7 years bonding to be a lecturer in IPTA right?..

This post has been edited by imiharrima: Jul 29 2009, 01:36 PM

tutor pay vary from IPTA to IPTA it will be from 700 - 1.5k. The only problem is that you're not in service during the 4-5 yrs study time so u might lose in term of seniority etc.

1. IPTS lect. do not require to research as much as the IPTA lect. Most of the time spent on teaching. however teaching hours vary from 12- 30 hrs a week. It might not sound significant but lect. need to spend more time on preparing for lect. For IPTA its generally from 6-9 hrs per week.

3. Renumeration for IPTA lect is the same accross the board (may be extra critical allowance but not much)

are u sure IPTS doesnt require a PhD? I could say in my university, all the lecturer (mostly all about 85-90%) have a PhD.. but yeah, maybe u rite, the non phd will be just teaching staff.

nway, could someone ans my last question? about when i reach 31, what will the salary will be like? a prediction would be fine for me. Comparison between working as normal white collar ppl and as lecturer with phd in hand. thanks in advance

maybe that would depend on what phd u have in hand IMHO. But i'm pretty sure being a lecturer is a lot more relaxing than white collar pple (not saying all the lecturer goyang kaki get money ), less pressure as there are no deadlines etc.

EDITED: are there any tutor programme thats offering only masters for their applicants?

This post has been edited by imiharrima: Jul 29 2009, 02:47 PM

PhD in EE Engineering, i could say AI engineering =D..if compared to my classmates that going to workplace now..they starting with 3k (in intel). so basically in 7 years time.. what will happen in salary terms?

i think i've read the earlier posts saying in 7 years time, u should've been an a.professor already, with $4,5k salary and $1.5k allowance. Of course not including the part time jobs. So its limitless!

haha thanks for the prompt ans =D

so how about if im going to working sector, in 7 years time how much i will get?

U mean USD4.5k or RM4.5 k?? If Rm4.5k is too little la.. maybe the info is a little outdated... As far as i Know fresh lec already getting around that amount

RM that is..sorry for any misunderstanding..i took that statement from the 1st page of this thread.

i dunno.not into AI or EE ..

This post has been edited by imiharrima: Jul 29 2009, 04:47 PM

about RM1800-RM2000 for starters, with a max of RM2800 total, regardless of how long u've worked as a tutor.

i'm not sure i understand ur 2nd and 3rd question.

tutor is a temporary position. u are neither confirmed nor permanent. meaning u dont have privileges like being able to take a loan or stuff like that.

seniority counts, but not as a lecturer. when u are upgraded to a lecturer, u will start everything fresh.

depending on which university, that is. most IPTS dont require their staff to get a PhD, but they do take staffs that already does.

assuming u've finished ur PhD and worked for 7 years, ur salary would be about RM4500 with about RM1500 allowance. that's about RM6k, but only RM4.5k is taxable .

lol ..what i'm trying to say is:

1. will JPA continue sponsoring me for my masters and phd if i'm accepted to the tutoring programme (as JPA is sponsoring me for my first degree)?

2. can i apply for another scholarship that can sponsor me during the tutoring programme?

3. there are 6-7 years of bonding if i take the tutoring programme am i right?

well at least not with Inti College, the lecturer all drive local made car only. whether they are rich or not, i don't know but certainly they are not driving expensive car

1. yes. ur 1st degree sponsorship doesnt affect ur chances in the tutorship programme. simply put, u will only get the tutor job IF JPA has the money to sponsor u abroad. if u're not accepted into the tutorship programme, it either means that u're not good enough, or they dont have the money .

2. yes, u can. but if u were to accept it, u will need to inform JPA. there will a substantial compromise which u could negotiate. for example, if u take off 50% of what JPA pays u, u can cut ur contract to only 3.5 years. but in no circumstances would JPA allow u to take the full amount of both scholarships.

3. the bond only takes place if u start studying. entering as a tutor doesnt put u into the bond. with that said, the bond for masters programme is 3 years, and PhD is 7 years. but the bond for masters usually overlaps with PhD. so if ur PhD takes 3 years, u'll finish serving the bond for masters by then. so u got only 7 years to go.

Inti college lecturer drive local car only? But Inti colege is rich kid colege.. How can the lecturer be poor if rich ppl are paying for their salary? WHere all the money go?

bcoz they pay the money to the college, not to the lecturers

you said it there...
perhaps yes it is needed more on practical side... coz it's polytechnic...

azarimy really knows a lot..u ex-JPA scholar?