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LittleGhost
post Feb 8 2009, 11:10 PM

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I'd use some OS CONs in parallel with polypropelenes over blackgates anyday biggrin.gif
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post Feb 9 2009, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Feb 9 2009, 12:17 AM)
I read some diyaudio test on capacitor using large ceramic cap as bypass and have the THD scanned  with good results. Too bad, I have lost that page.
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Ceramics are good stuffs. Especially anything X7R and above. X7R for PSU, COG/NPO for Signal path. (phase lead compensation)

QUOTE(empire23 @ Feb 9 2009, 01:23 AM)
Too high voltage for OSCON use.

Use blackgates AND bypass them with WIMA MKS2s, lol, i've already got the wimas, now just trying to find the BGs.
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don't want.

You can still find some rare OSCONS around that have sufficient voltage value. The beauty of differential drive is that by using less caps that are in the signal path (e.g. rail to ground) you force the active channels to do the work more. Plus rail cancellation pretty much makes noise moot. Not to mention Class A constant current drawing.


OS CONs (the light blue ones) also look better than blackgates. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 9 2009, 10:54 PM

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EDIT: Damn empire23 for being faster.

Anyway, Kemet Golden series arent the only choices.

Vishay BCs are great too.

For COG/NPO grade, sometimes you can replace it with Silver Mica equivalents if you desire.

To add to empire23's points, you cant usually find higher capacitance values of the same efficient footprint with COG/NPOs. Which is why we compromise using X7R.

Grade 1 = COG/NPO
Grade 2 = X7R
Grade 3 = Z5U




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post Feb 10 2009, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(CV6149 @ Feb 10 2009, 01:23 PM)
what about 10pf film caps??
does it have the same benefit as ceramic one?
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ceramics are special in the sense that they are very very small, and can be used very close to the circuit pins for lowest inductance, impedance and noise.

You cant get the same footprint/size given the same capacitance with the film caps. Depending on the application, ceramics are superior in this regard.

We normally don't use them for signal path though.


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post Feb 10 2009, 11:05 PM

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Yeah I've mentioned that a few times too. But apparently no takers.


Maybe the added distortion/placebo is well worth it.

Heck I've even seen some people incapable of telling the difference between Discrete buffers and the BUF634, so I'm not really surprised at our own limitations.
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post Feb 10 2009, 11:39 PM

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When it concerns commercial amplifiers these days, having a larger "penis" works wonders.

It's all about pimping those testosterone into your amplifiers.

I don't care if you have FMs, but my OS CONS/blackgates will eat you alive.
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post Feb 15 2009, 11:06 PM

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ahh pcbs.

I guess most of us finally went from

Protoboards ---> self etched PCBs.


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post Apr 8 2009, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Apr 7 2009, 10:25 PM)
I feel its interesting to DIY and I do not have the time to do so, probably after 1 month after my finals. In the mean time I would like to read more instead of starting blindly without knowing anything at all.

What you guys said is really discouraging and turn ppl off. No wonder this thread is dead. You guys are once a newbie too. No hard feelings. Ciao~!
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You have no idea what I've been through before I started building my CMOY. Without even asking one single question I actually spent half a year reading up basic electronics, googling consistently reviewing and analyzing the tangentsoft article diyamp V1 thread by a magnitude of at least 50 times.(bad move to change this thread into V2, Admin:scotty =.=)

The only questions worth asking are troubleshooting questions. We do have a concrete reason for suggesting the CMOY because it's a foundation of what you're going to do in the future when moving up the ladder.

Whether or not the SQ is worth it or not is out of the question. Sometimes if people move up too fast (By choosing SQ instead of ease of build) they lose the confident and motivation to move on because of the difficulty to continue.

EDIT:

I think the only thing you have to start worrying if you're interested is the components and parts. If you're interested I can share you a few tricks on how to get scarce items if you're away from the convenience of JP (like me)

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Apr 8 2009, 09:14 PM)
OK, i guess CMOY will be my first step for DIY Amp.

Thanks for the explanation bro and i might ask u where to find certain item if cannot get from Pasar Road tongue.gif
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are you a student?

If then register for a Farnell account at http://my.farnell.com and call them for a student account. IIRC 15% discount. Damn worth it if you know what to look for.

There you can get plentiful of items for cmoys and even more pimp projects.

If you live too far away from JP I don't mind packing a kit for you as I have leftover parts for the cmoy.





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post Apr 19 2009, 10:24 AM

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try diptrace. it's free and has plentiful features.

I'd suggest making the PCB on your own. It's better this way because you can do whatever you want to it.

Out of curiosity, you're building an I/V stage?


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post Apr 19 2009, 11:34 AM

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with a circuit this minimal, I'd suggest super compact point to point on a perfboard.

It'll probably be much more cost effective than using PCB. I don't see how going full PCB would be much better than a compact point to point for this.
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 19 2009, 12:11 PM)
see your point. isnt there some advantage using PCB for double layer with proper ground plane execution.

I have a question. The below is the IV circuit that I am executing.

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IDac is always zero being the virtual ground for IV Conversion. In addition to this circuit,

Instead of using 100k ohm, I am using 10k ohm to give a f 3db lower than 20Hz. This output feeds the tube amp with a 10k pot in parallel with a 470k grid resistor.

I see something wrong this circuit in the sense the input impedance for tube amp is too low. so when couple with the 10k ground leak resistor, I am having on 5k which shifts the f 3dB to 40hz?

the detail circuit is below.
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I don't understand your first question, what do you want to achieve with the R4? It's there to provide bias and the adjust gain. Just stick with the stock values.

You should use 100k Ohm instead of 10k Ohm if you are using a 10K pot. This way you ensure minimal loading effect and the 10k pot dominates the total resistance. If you used 10k, you'll only get an equivalent of 5k resistance, which means a a shift of cut off frequency.
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 22 2009, 09:00 PM)
Went to singapore. Look at the martin audio, well audio and larry plus adelphi.

at martin, the old lady was working on super tweeter, casing made of lighting transluscent glass. the sound really improve the high, making it more lively. That old lady mainly made the Martin class tube amp as well as speakers.

adelphil was more high class venue for expensive stuff like fm, mcintosh, MBL,etc.



Added on April 22, 2009, 9:09 pm

After R4, there is a 10k pot in parallel to the 470k resistor grid (to ground) inside the amp. What the cap sees is R4 and a 10k pot (neglecting 470k due to parallel).

That means the cap sees R4, RCA cable which assume inductance and cap is minimal and a 10k resistance to ground.

meaning the amp input resistance by right should be large enuf to provide independent loading to C2. if amp input resitor is high, the cut off frequency will depend on R4. If amp input resistor is low, then R4 has to be changed to suit the f 3dB. what is your thots.

However providing too large a R4, the tone phase shift will be significant at frequency below few hundred hz.
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Nope, R4 will not affect the RC filter formed by C2 and the output 100k resistor.

Assuming your IV stage uses the common base topology, T2 is a emitter follower buffer that removes all influences of the previous stage impedance. (impedance transforming effect).

In any case the only thing you have to worry about is the 100k being stiff enough so you don't load the next stage too much. At this point, you should choose which part of the impedance that dominates the total equivalent resistance.

EDIT: lol huge pics.

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 23 2009, 07:30 PM)
I am interested to know which is the fake. I can get back to him for the 'ransom'


Added on April 23, 2009, 7:40 pm

Actually R4 I have changed to 21K4 due to phase distortion at low frequency. (phase plot at low freq will show) R4 is also called the ground leaked resistor in this case is paralllel to the load resistor Rs (which is the amp pot). So the sound does depend on R4. After I put in 21k4, I am much more happy. in fact I can really hear the realisms of music now.

When the Mundorf Supreme comes, it will be a T day.
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I don't get it, how is the R4 in parallel to anything? I thought it takes in signal unattenuated from the DAC output?

Anyway, R4 determines the total bias. Decreasing it increases the current through the resistor. It might explain some of the "heavy bias upgrade" effect you're experiencing. How about using an active CCS load instead?
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 24 2009, 12:32 AM)
The aim is to use as least component as possible. Less is good. CCS or offset the IV has tried by many like petra rodja and Jocko which is good but more component count.

R3 is the bias for T2. R3 is not seen by C2. C2 sees the R4 (bleeder, serve to avoid C2 drifting, or else the cap can not discharge) and the Load impedance in the amp (lets call it R-load).

Do we care about R4? No, provided C2 > 1/(4 x pi x R4) and noise is depending squre root of R4. so too high a R4 not only create phase shift but noise too.
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if C2 sees R4, then the whole circuit itself forms a loop itself?

OUT = your I/V output isnt it? Why does it see R4 then?

R4 = referring to the 30k resistor on your schematic.
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Ya.

Still doesnt beat a real tube setup though.


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post May 25 2009, 11:48 PM

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Jalan Pasar.

If you're in Penang island, go around Komtar area or inside Komtar itself.

For rare parts ---> Farnell.
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post May 26 2009, 07:34 AM

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They sell certain line of FCs, but honestly for your first build just use the chapalang caps.
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something i whipped for a forumer.
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ITT, wui achieves first person to build a fully discrete high end folded cascode amplifier on LYN.

Discrete GET.

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