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post Jan 7 2009, 03:49 PM, updated 17y ago

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Microsoft is getting more2 bucks in, do you think they will give XBL for free like PS3 did
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post Jan 7 2009, 03:52 PM

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post Jan 7 2009, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(pakcikkantin @ Jan 7 2009, 03:49 PM)
Microsoft is getting more2 bucks in, do you think they will give XBL for free like PS3 did
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nope..i dont think so. they generate quite large number of cash with XBL, dont think they will make it free.
furthermore, even with paid XBL, they still can outnumber PS3.
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post Jan 7 2009, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(msn83235502 @ Jan 7 2009, 03:55 PM)
nope..i dont think so. they generate quite large number of cash with XBL, dont think they will make it free.
furthermore, even with paid XBL, they still can outnumber PS3.
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Some more we have to pay, and others outside US, cannot buy the movies.

Read alot in the NET, people will not go for PS3 , don't know what cause, but Gamespot really don't push PS3
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They earned it so they get to keep it. I'm a happy customer who happily let them earn my cash as long as the games keep coming in smile.gif
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post Jan 7 2009, 05:03 PM

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well when you got hardcore fans like these... it's no wonder

http://www.2dayblog.com/2009/01/02/xbox-360-on-car/?lang=en

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post Jan 7 2009, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(20thCentury @ Jan 7 2009, 04:52 PM)
From now onward.. banned Coke, Colgate and Xbox.....camni lar...hahaha....
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bout the war?
Yeah Banned Coke, Pepsi better! wkakak

Anyway, well, I do hope they will make it free, later we can brag toward ps3 that always brag about free online stuff. But if they still charge us, they can use the money to add some more stuff.. faster connection maybe,tv show ++, or use it to research for Green-ray disc.. wkakakak more advance than blue~

Lol, nice picture! rclxms.gif huge fan eh..

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QUOTE(Evirober @ Jan 7 2009, 05:03 PM)
well when you got hardcore fans like these... it's no wonder

http://www.2dayblog.com/2009/01/02/xbox-360-on-car/?lang=en
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lol,would be awesome if the controller can be used to drive the car. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(pakcikkantin @ Jan 7 2009, 03:49 PM)
Microsoft is getting more2 bucks in, do you think they will give XBL for free like PS3 did
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I don't think so.

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So, is it true then... that gamers buy 2 (or more) 360s instead of 1 - in the limelight of an RRoD... they send one for repair, play the other, then when get back, play the repaired unit until break again.... cycle repeats ?

What draws more and more ppl to buy a 360 even after the worldwide 'pandemic' of RRoD ?




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post Jan 7 2009, 07:38 PM

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Better games perhaps? And better online gaming.
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jan 7 2009, 07:38 PM)
Better games perhaps? And better online gaming.
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second that...what games u see on ps3 is worth buying? all i see is GTA4,MGS4,Resistance 2..thats all for me...
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Just for the record I'm on my 3rd console. tongue.gif
My second is still dead, I'm only gonna RMA it near the end of its warranty.
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post Jan 7 2009, 07:53 PM

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JRPG is the asnwer.... Though I own a PS3, I still bought an XBOX360 due to JRPGs on this platform.
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post Jan 7 2009, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Hisyam91 @ Jan 7 2009, 05:10 PM)
bout the war?
Yeah Banned Coke, Pepsi better! wkakak

Anyway, well, I do hope they will make it free, later we can brag toward ps3 that always brag about free online stuff. But if they still charge us, they can use the money to add some more stuff.. faster connection maybe,tv show ++, or use it to research for Green-ray disc.. wkakakak more advance than blue~

Lol, nice picture!  rclxms.gif  huge fan eh..
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Faster connection?..U better hope our screamyx improve first..if not also no use tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Evirober @ Jan 7 2009, 05:03 PM)
well when you got hardcore fans like these... it's no wonder

http://www.2dayblog.com/2009/01/02/xbox-360-on-car/?lang=en
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i wonder wheres the screen to look at hmm.gif

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post Jan 7 2009, 08:13 PM

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Er, well.. ya, streamyx reli slow..
Im using 4mbs for the past year.. and change it to 1mb now, doesnt seem to be different in speed >_>


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post Jan 7 2009, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(Hisyam91 @ Jan 7 2009, 08:13 PM)
About the RRoD problem, caused by overheat, is mainly because the owner spent hours playing it non-stop with all the A+ game tittles.
Here's the comeback, PS3 owner doesnt have any more games to play(finished all top games.. others are chump), so they turn it off.. therefore, no problem appear.. no overheat ++  whistling.gif
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Wrong. Those who didn't play as much also got it.
Anyways you don't have to be so defensive, it was an honest question.

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My bad, it was an honest answer too.. xD
I've got nothing to do now, letting my console cooldown..
So, i didnt mean to anger anyone ait(Sorry!)..
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for ps3 im only waiting for GT5 cant resist GT5 temptation.
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 7 2009, 10:44 PM)
for ps3 im only waiting for GT5 cant resist GT5 temptation.
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ya...i see the game...is like looking at a real video shocking.gif
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 7 2009, 10:44 PM)
for ps3 im only waiting for GT5 cant resist GT5 temptation.
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Hmm... PS3 -> GT5. Xbox 360 - Forza 3 ?

PS3 -> Killzone 2. Xbox 360 - Halo 3 ?

I believe the Xbox 360 sells by the bucket load because of the price drops that occur and the killer titles available for it.





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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jan 7 2009, 11:13 PM)
Hmm... PS3 -> GT5. Xbox 360 - Forza 3 ?

PS3 -> Killzone 2. Xbox 360 - Halo 3 ?

I believe the Xbox 360 sells by the bucket load because of the price drops that occur and the killer titles available for it.
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true. ppl want to play "next gen graphic" games but don't want to spend a lot.

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jan 7 2009, 11:13 PM)
Hmm... PS3 -> GT5. Xbox 360 - Forza 3 ?

PS3 -> Killzone 2. Xbox 360 - Halo 3 ?

I believe the Xbox 360 sells by the bucket load because of the price drops that occur and the killer titles available for it.
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dats why im not in a dilemma of choosing games in either consoles i have em both hehehehehe thumbup.gif
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yeap same here... own both ^^
Whichever console that oni has its Exclusive Titles ill still be able to have it ^^
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post Jan 8 2009, 10:56 AM

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Does PS3 have achievements unlocks like XBOX
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QUOTE(pakcikkantin @ Jan 8 2009, 10:56 AM)
Does PS3 have achievements unlocks like XBOX
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they have "TROPHIES". almost the same actually
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post Jan 8 2009, 11:54 AM

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even with the killer RROD its making that much sales?

MS shouldnt even be making money out of the units sold thanks 2 RROD
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post Jan 8 2009, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Jcsy @ Jan 8 2009, 11:54 AM)
even with the killer RROD its making that much sales?

MS shouldnt even be making money out of the units sold thanks 2 RROD
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It's killer , but much reduced already Besides that , in countries with 360 officially launched , its just a matter of bringing back to service center and exchange 1 to 1 .
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QUOTE(Breaktru @ Jan 8 2009, 01:31 PM)
It's killer , but much reduced already  Besides that , in countries with 360 officially launched , its just a matter of bringing back to service center and exchange 1 to 1 .
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How about us, in Malaysia. Will they send their support here ...
Just because the ahem2 games, they stop recognizing us as gamers... too bad vmad.gif

RROD, you know it, we know it will or sooner happen, but people keep on buying XBOX... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(pakcikkantin @ Jan 8 2009, 01:56 PM)
How about us, in Malaysia. Will they send their support here ...
Just because the ahem2 games, they stop recognizing us as gamers... too bad  vmad.gif

RROD, you know it, we know it will or sooner happen, but people keep on buying XBOX...  whistling.gif
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You sure it's becasue of ahem games that prevent them from coming in Malaysia?

I would rather think of because no one wanna be the dealer for xbox.

At SG, the xbox division seems separated out from M$ Singapore.... So my guess is no dealer that fit the requirement & those with the requirement would not want to do so.... sweat.gif

Just my good guess..... icon_idea.gif

But, RRoD at MY we still can send to SG mah. not too far. Jsut need to pay for postage instead of M$ paying it... sadly the fee for one return postage = 1 year gold subscription rclxub.gif


If drive to SG i think cheaper still whistling.gif

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QUOTE(navigator @ Jan 8 2009, 09:09 PM)
You sure it's becasue of ahem games that prevent them from coming in Malaysia?

I would rather think of because no one wanna be the dealer for xbox.

At SG, the xbox division seems separated out from M$ Singapore.... So my guess is no dealer that fit the requirement & those with the requirement would not want to do so.... sweat.gif

Just my good guess..... icon_idea.gif

But, RRoD at MY we still can send to SG mah. not too far. Jsut need to pay for postage instead of M$ paying it... sadly the fee for one return postage = 1 year gold subscription rclxub.gif
If drive to SG i think cheaper still whistling.gif
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What is your opinion,
1. Buying a new XBOX
2. Repair current XBOX

Both still leads to RROD.. but new one, can last longer
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QUOTE(pakcikkantin @ Jan 9 2009, 08:53 AM)
What is your opinion,
1. Buying a new XBOX
2. Repair current XBOX

Both still leads to RROD.. but new one, can last longer
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I will only send the console to singapore for warranty claim for 3RRoD. no other solution I will consider for now unless someone announced with warranty that he can solve 3RRoD permanently
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aiya send to sg la.. after 3 years no more warranty beli baru... smile.gif

I got both actually seem like my ps3 collecting dust... LOL
just tht the ps3 games not really attract me much la.. compare xbox..
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After comparing PS3 & XBOX360, I would say the 360 would be the inferior consoles in terms of specifications as well as graphics quality. The 360 framerates is just not smooth (playing Lost Odyssey & yes I do own both consoles).
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QUOTE(DarkSaviour @ Jan 9 2009, 06:00 PM)
aiya send to sg la.. after 3 years no more warranty beli baru... smile.gif

I got both actually seem like my ps3 collecting dust... LOL
just tht the ps3 games not really attract me much la.. compare xbox..
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Actually, PS3 is really a dust magnet ....dust caked up internally into the uber large heat dissipator/ Heat sink and report is on the wild.... clean it before you fire it up again icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(Thrust @ Jan 9 2009, 10:19 PM)
After comparing PS3 & XBOX360, I would say the 360 would be the inferior consoles in terms of specifications as well as graphics quality. The 360 framerates is just not smooth (playing Lost Odyssey & yes I do own both consoles).
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I would not agree, Look at how FUBARed is the Orange Box, Madden, GTA4 & Ridge Race 7 compared to xbox360 version. rclxub.gif

PS3 had a very confusing architecture for programmer and badly designed RAM architecture in terms of memory space. That bump up the difficulty for the machine from getting better framerate & texture compare.

Although...... when you're steamed playing games, the do not possessed much difference except when you got network lag when you online. doh.gif

They both have their pros & cons and i admit the 3RRoD is bad compared to other problems PS3 had but please, xbox 360 is not inferior at all.

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Jan 9 2009, 10:19 PM)
After comparing PS3 & XBOX360, I would say the 360 would be the inferior consoles in terms of specifications as well as graphics quality. The 360 framerates is just not smooth (playing Lost Odyssey & yes I do own both consoles).
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Based on LO alone?
What other games do you have?

btw the loading times of LO is almost a nightmare if you don't install it to the HDD.
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jan 10 2009, 06:21 PM)
Based on LO alone?
What other games do you have?

btw the loading times of LO is almost a nightmare if you don't install it to the HDD.
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I know it's not right to compare a game which was released for 360 and not on the PS3. Graphics wise, LO is just ok, nothing to shout about. I am not a fanboy else I won't buy both the consoles. I just feel that graphics as well as CPU processing power, PS3 has the edge.

Hideo Kojima should be right saying that MGS4 is unable to be ported over to the 360 due the reasons you and I know. smile.gif

cannavaro, I do play LO from HDD. Acceptable loading time tongue.gif

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I agree on LO, it's nothing to shout about.
Have you tried Gears Of War 2?
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jan 10 2009, 06:31 PM)
I agree on LO, it's nothing to shout about.
Have you tried Gears Of War 2?
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Ya, I have GOW for WINDOWS and GOW2 for 360... technically, the windows version pawns the 360 also tongue.gif I bought 360 for GOW2 as it was announced that GOW2 won't be release on PC sad.gif
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Jan 10 2009, 06:34 PM)
Ya, I have GOW for WINDOWS and GOW2 for 360... technically, the windows version pawns the 360 also tongue.gif I bought 360 for GOW2 as it was announced that GOW2 won't be release on PC  sad.gif
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of coz. any games that has been out on PS3 and 360 will be pawned by PC version. you can't compare it that way.

known fact that tho Cell is extremely powerful, it's surrounding architecture hinders developers to get the full benefit of it. bottlenecks in bus, slow RAM access, slow data transfer from Blu-ray device : everyone of these problems kills the potential of the processor being used 100%.

reason why Kojima-san doesn't not want to port MGS4 to 360 is not because of the hardware. just that he doesn't not want to do it. simple as that.

any games that's on PS3 can run with acceptable and playable quality on 360 : this is a fact. plus 50GB of data for MGS4 is mostly comprised of UNCOMPRESSED audio which can be compressed easily for DVD-9 release. heck i know a lot of ppl will still buy it if it comes in 2 disc (i would too).

so really there's not much issue in terms of graphics on 360.

LO is just a bad example. clearly the developers have not have enuff experience with Unreal Engine like most failed Unreal Engine-based games. check out the difference between graphics on PS3 and 360 version of Saints Row, GTA4, and even Burnout. and those are a few of handful multiplatform game that has been released in the wild.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Jan 10 2009, 06:28 PM)
I know it's not right to compare a game which was released for 360 and not on the PS3. Graphics wise, LO is just ok, nothing to shout about. I am not a fanboy else I won't buy both the consoles. I just feel that graphics as well as CPU processing power, PS3 has the edge.

Hideo Kojima should be right saying that MGS4 is unable to be ported over to the 360 due the reasons you and I know.
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cannavaro, I do play LO from HDD. Acceptable loading time tongue.gif
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Yet GOW 2 is superior in terms of texture, no. of AI/enemies on screen, taking no hits in gfx department for multiplayer & coop (jump in jump out on the fly), practically no loading. The best part? It's DVD only... biggrin.gif

You play MGS4, you should know its gfx only excel in the form of cutscene but during gameplay it isn't "omg wow!". Uncharted would be a better choice for graphic showcase, don't you think so?

Now lets discuss Haze and show ps3's power-less performance! laugh.gif At the end of the day, PC pwns everyone...the most expensive rig out there, yet more & more developer are taking less advantage of its spec with Crysis being the last of the remnant, Blizzard is gameplay focus, Valve still squeezing its HL2 engine, Epic a console-centric company now, id software..quiet. Why? Console gamers buy more games... sweat.gif
Besides, there isn't a definite answer to whether ps3 will perform better in the gfx department yet unlike last gen where everyone know something as a fact.

However there is a distinctive difference between Sony & MS 1st/2nd party game...Sony 1st party game tend to focus more on singleplayer cinematic experience while Microsoft 1st/2nd party game emphasize very much on the balance of singleplayer, coop & multiplayer. That's my 2 pennies, let me know if you agree or not. smile.gif
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 10 2009, 07:38 PM)
Yet GOW 2 is superior in terms of texture, no. of AI/enemies on screen, taking no hits in gfx department for multiplayer & coop (jump in jump out on the fly), practically no loading. The best part? It's DVD only... biggrin.gif

You play MGS4, you should know its gfx only excel in the form of cutscene but during gameplay it isn't "omg wow!". Uncharted would be a better choice for graphic showcase, don't you think so?

Now lets discuss Haze and show ps3's power-less performance! laugh.gif At the end of the day, PC pwns everyone...the most expensive rig out there, yet more & more developer are taking less advantage of its spec with Crysis being the last of the remnant, Blizzard is gameplay focus, Valve still squeezing its HL2 engine, Epic a console-centric company now, id software..quiet. Why? Console gamers buy more games... sweat.gif
Besides, there isn't a definite answer to whether ps3 will perform better in the gfx department yet unlike last gen where everyone know something as a fact.

However there is a distinctive difference between Sony & MS 1st/2nd party game...Sony 1st party game tend to focus more on singleplayer cinematic experience while Microsoft 1st/2nd party game emphasize very much on the balance of singleplayer, coop & multiplayer. That's my 2 pennies, let me know if you agree or not. smile.gif
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agreed. a lot of ppl forgot the fact that MGS4 is 70% cutscene and 30% game. which is why to me it's absurd that the game won some "game of the year" award and nominations.

and yes. i do agree that Sony's 1st party/exclusives titles are more limited to single player experience (uncharted, MGS4, Ratchet and Clank) while ALL MS's 1st party/exclusives will have a kick-ass online multiplayer portion of the game. heck you can even completely skip the single player mode and jump straight online (GOW 1 & 2, Halo series, even Fable 2).

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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 10 2009, 07:45 PM)
agreed. a lot of ppl forgot the fact that MGS4 is 70% cutscene and 30% game. which is why to me it's absurd that the game won some "game of the year" award and nominations.
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lol do not want to turn this into game bashing....GOTY is that game site's opinion, different site different opinion. There is nothing wrong with it... biggrin.gif

QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 10 2009, 07:45 PM)
and yes. i do agree that Sony's 1st party/exclusives titles are more limited to single player experience (uncharted, MGS4, Ratchet and Clank) while ALL MS's 1st party/exclusives will have a kick-ass online multiplayer portion of the game. heck you can even completely skip the single player mode and jump straight online (GOW 1 & 2, Halo series, even Fable 2).
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That's not what I meant either! doh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 10 2009, 07:48 PM)
lol do not want to turn this into game bashing....GOTY is that game site's opinion, different site different opinion. There is nothing wrong with it... biggrin.gif
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hehehe. not bashing la. just stating out the obvious fact. ppl seem to think MGS4 is "the one and only game that defines PS3" since it came out when they totally forget that the game has more cinematics and dialogues of FF7 - FF12 combined. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 10 2009, 07:38 PM)
Yet GOW 2 is superior in terms of texture, no. of AI/enemies on screen, taking no hits in gfx department for multiplayer & coop (jump in jump out on the fly), practically no loading. The best part? It's DVD only... biggrin.gif

You play MGS4, you should know its gfx only excel in the form of cutscene but during gameplay it isn't "omg wow!". Uncharted would be a better choice for graphic showcase, don't you think so?

Ya, MGS4 excel in cutscenes but those cut scenes are rendered in real time thus showcasing the PS3 RSX's graphics processing power sweat.gif I think we ordinary gamers wouldn't exactly be sure of which console is superior as we are not game developers/programmers.
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In-game render or not, you still need a game or it would end up as a tech demo (Assasin Creed? lol. No, i love that game) Nvidia & Ati both have wonderful tech demo which was render using their card without worrying too much on AI, physics, multiplayer etc...in other words, cutscene only. It only matter the most to the developer. If it looks good, it's not like typical gamers gona care it's in-game or CG right? Only the few of us geek/hardcore will be interested on its spec.

So like you said, only developer will know. If it's a good game, it's a good game. Maybe for games like Gears need good gfx, otherwise chainsawing wouldn't be as satisfying. However not every game require jaw dropping gfx, there is a point of "good enough" or "good representation".
It's a fact though Japanese developers are terrible with Unreal Engine laugh.gif Ace Combat, Capcoms's game or even Blue Dragon seems to be doing fine with their own engine. Have you check out Resident Evil 5 demo? Looks good....but not my cup of tea tongue.gif


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I read Playstation blogs and they did compare the price with XBOX, PS3 is cheaper than XBOX, that includes Blu ray, Free online, and built in wifi not like XBOX.


I just saw Resistance on PS3 using HDMi and get the maximum display output on Sony 32 LCD, and agree the graphics is clear, but lag, something is not right when playing the game?

I never seen Fallout 3 on PS3 , but i think Fallout 3 is great on XBOX.

Current XBOX still need more revision on the board it self and the heat problem ( eventhough MS denies it). Overall, great job on XBOX ( anyway still planning on buying PS3). PS3 still need to cut down the cost of the H/W itself.

Another things , i noticed , all PS3 games reviewed on Gamesopt, get 9.0/10.0 unlike XBOX.

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Another things , i noticed , all PS3 games reviewed on Gamesopt, get 9.0/10.0 unlike XBOX.
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Including Lair and Haze? brows.gif
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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 10 2009, 07:51 PM)
hehehe. not bashing la. just stating out the obvious fact. ppl seem to think MGS4 is "the one and only game that defines PS3" since it came out when they totally forget that the game has more cinematics and dialogues of FF7 - FF12 combined. biggrin.gif
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actually there is more gameplay on mgs4 than cutscenes...
the only ones complaining about the cutscenes are those who never bothered to stealth and went run/gun mode on easier diffculty...
if u actually went to combine both stealth and run/gun while exploring the areas the gameplay is pretty long...

another thing mgs4 cutscene is interactive...
u actually have gameplay elements in them...
for example, the mission briefings, u can use the mk2 to explore around while the cutscene is played etc...
u are actually playin the cutscene rather than jz watching...

mgs4 is an experience more than a game which is why its been getting awards...
u really feel the game and the emotions (especially if u played the other mgs)...
u can listen to gamespot's podcast special where they rant about how awesome the experience is for 40 minutes+ when one of them dun even play the other series and still love the game...
it is their argument for why they chose mgs4 as their GoTY...

graphics wise on multiplatform titles, both consoles have their strengths n weakness...
LO and last remnant are jz poor optimization on the unreal engine...
GeoW2 has proved wut the 360 can offer in the right hands...
2008 however was nt really a good year for the 360 in terms of exclusive...
hope forza3 really is out for 2009...
the 360's biggest strength would be its online community which is unrivaled by sony...

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ok, the name is Interactive cutscene?
QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 10 2009, 11:49 PM)
graphics wise on multiplatform titles, both consoles have their strengths n weakness...
LO and last remnant are jz poor optimization on the unreal engine...
GeoW2 has proved wut the 360 can offer in the right hands...
2008 however was nt really a good year for the 360 in terms of exclusive...
hope forza3 really is out for 2009...
the 360's biggest strength would be its online community which is unrivaled by sony...
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Jan 10 2009, 06:28 PM)
I know it's not right to compare a game which was released for 360 and not on the PS3. Graphics wise, LO is just ok, nothing to shout about. I am not a fanboy else I won't buy both the consoles. I just feel that graphics as well as CPU processing power, PS3 has the edge.

Hideo Kojima should be right saying that MGS4 is unable to be ported over to the 360 due the reasons you and I know.  smile.gif

cannavaro, I do play LO from HDD. Acceptable loading time tongue.gif
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The obvious reason is Kojima want the title to be exclusive to PS3. Himself admited before--Anything runs on PS3 now can run on xbox360 without any problem. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Jan 10 2009, 09:10 PM)
Ya, MGS4 excel in cutscenes but those cut scenes are rendered in real time thus showcasing the PS3 RSX's graphics processing power  sweat.gif  I think we ordinary gamers wouldn't exactly be sure of which console is superior as we are not game developers/programmers.
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cutscene rendering is a preset animation which required minimum physics calculation compared to actual play. whistling.gif
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The one thing I dun understand is Microsoft talking Blu-Ray only for movies and not storage capacity for games. They refuse Blu-Ray Add-on or even the format stating the priority is gaming and video/movie downloads. But what about storage ? Game developers can't possibly cram their next-gen titles into a single DVD ? Remember John Carmack's rant about the 360 - he claims the PS3 version of 'Rage' will look much better than the 360 because of the storage limitation (heavy compression methods used) on the 360 version...

Somewhere deep in Microsoft Xbox labs... are 'prototypes' of Xbox 3 / 720... and it could either have
1. Microsoft's own optical drive standard
2. A DVD drive. Yes. A DVD drive.
3. A Blu-Ray drive. The wise choice.

I don't see it any other way...



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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 10 2009, 07:45 PM)
agreed. a lot of ppl forgot the fact that MGS4 is 70% cutscene and 30% game. which is why to me it's absurd that the game won some "game of the year" award and nominations.

and yes. i do agree that Sony's 1st party/exclusives titles are more limited to single player experience (uncharted, MGS4, Ratchet and Clank) while ALL MS's 1st party/exclusives will have a kick-ass online multiplayer portion of the game. heck you can even completely skip the single player mode and jump straight online (GOW 1 & 2, Halo series, even Fable 2).
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The one thing I dun understand is Microsoft talking Blu-Ray only for movies and not storage capacity for games. They refuse Blu-Ray Add-on or even the format stating the priority is gaming and video/movie downloads. But what about storage ? Game developers can't possibly cram their next-gen titles into a single DVD ? Remember John Carmack's rant about the 360 - he claims the PS3 version of 'Rage' will look much better than the 360 because of the storage limitation (heavy compression methods used) on the 360 version...

Somewhere deep in Microsoft Xbox labs... are 'prototypes' of Xbox 3 / 720... and it could either have
1. Microsoft's own optical drive standard
2. A DVD drive. Yes. A DVD drive.
3. A Blu-Ray drive. The wise choice.

I don't see it any other way...
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its not that ms dowan to take blu ray,sony is waiting when Ms will give up and pay them for use of blu ray rights on their console,when that happens sony will be king again.

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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 11 2009, 09:50 AM)
if u have played all the MGS series u wont be complaining about MGS4 bro hehehe  icon_rolleyes.gif


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its not that ms dowan to take blu ray,sony is waiting when Ms will give up and pay them for use of blu ray rights on their console,when that happens sony will be king again.
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Err... you're basically saying Microsoft refuses to give in like Warner Bros. did to Sony ? You can't resist the future...


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ok, the name is Interactive cutscene?

lol wut?
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lol it means that the cutscenese are interactive...
after all most (not all) of the cutscenes are rendered with the in game engine...
u dun jz watch the cutscenes but rather u can interact with it using the mk2, look around, pressed certain buttons for flashbacks etc...

all those bashing on mgs4...
when mgs4 'do' one day get ported to the 360 will be gone...
hypocrites i would say...

and yes kojima supported the ps3 with so much hints in mgs4 itself (though he did asked fans not to bug him for a 360 port)...
he said its possible for the game to run on the 360...
but how good it runs was never stated...

as for 2008 is a bad year for 360 exclusives, the reviews and gaming awards shows it...
GTA4 was IGN and Gamespot GoTY for the 360...

MS's reason for not having a blueray drive for the 360 is pretty obvious: -
- despite winning the format war, blueray have not overcame DVD's dominance
- the cost for the add-on would be high costing the price advantage that the 360 have to be negated
- the games/ gamers of the 360 do not require blueray now
- royalty fees to sony LOL


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QUOTE(navigator @ Jan 11 2009, 06:58 AM)
The obvious reason is Kojima want the title to be exclusive to PS3. Himself admited before--Anything runs on PS3 now can run on xbox360 without any problem. icon_idea.gif

Try to google that
cutscene rendering is a preset animation which required minimum physics calculation compared to actual play. whistling.gif
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as i've stated...
you are playing in the cutscenes...

example during the mission briefing: -
- u have a 3 way split screen (1 for cutscene, 1 for mk2 view, 1 for the camera)
- u have the option to maximize one of the view at will
- u can move the mk2 freely and if one of the other 2 views is looking at where the mk2 is, u can see the m2
- while using the mk2, u can interact with objects and the ppl

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Err... you're basically saying Microsoft refuses to give in like Warner Bros. did to Sony ? You can't resist the future...
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dats why ms created the nxe so they can compress all the data in a single dvd then when installed to hard drive we can enjoy the full detail of the game.Blu ray is still not of high importance to ms as not many games that utilise 50gb of space on the blu ray.
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 11 2009, 11:05 AM)
dats why ms created the nxe so they can compress all the data in a single dvd then when installed to hard drive we can enjoy the full detail of the game.Blu ray is still not of high importance to ms as not many games that utilise 50gb of space on the blu ray.
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? No idea wat ur trying to say. Installing game to hard drive does not magically decompress texture quality and increase graphics resolution.




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@evo, "Interactive Cutscene" is my statement, not a question. The ongoing discussion between Thrust & me is on the machines gfx capabilities but not the game quality, so... For game bashing or hardcore fanboyism, it's better to bring it outside whether you are on the ps3 or 360 boot camp. Please don't force me into...user posted image

QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 11 2009, 10:46 AM)
all those bashing on mgs4...
when mgs4 'do' one day get ported to the 360 will be gone...
hypocrites i would say...

What goes around comes around. From "gamespot = Microsoft paid gaming site --> Gamespot is BIAS after a few ps3 games getting bad reviews --> Gamespot is awesome after 1 GOTY! --> Gamespot full of Sony Fanboys!"

See the vicious cycle? It all happens in 2008, there are many in LYN who join in the fun too. Hypocrite calling hypocrite a hypocrite...nothing new. That's how the fanboy crumble, fanboyism is what fuel the console market. As for me I would respect an honest sensible fanboy more so than a fanboy in disguise, you see.


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as for 2008 is a bad year for 360 exclusives, the reviews and gaming awards shows it...
GTA4 was IGN and Gamespot GoTY for the 360...<--

Why stop there? biggrin.gif I would also like to see your source of bad years for 360 because from my FBI source, it's pretty well spread out for all 3 platform. (unless your source is SDF, lol)
However, the consumer are voting with their wallet for Wii games which top the chart with 360 & ps3 trailing behind. So if you ask me, it's a bad year for both ps3 & 360 laugh.gif

I feel for you though because your gaming experience are dictated by the press & journalism.
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 12:46 PM)
@evo, "Interactive Cutscene" is my statement, not a question. The ongoing discussion between Thrust & me is on the machines gfx capabilities but not the game quality, so... For game bashing or hardcore fanboyism, it's better to bring it outside whether you are on the ps3 or 360 boot camp. Please don't force me into...user posted image
What goes around comes around. From "gamespot = Microsoft paid gaming site --> Gamespot is BIAS after a few ps3 games getting bad reviews --> Gamespot is awesome after 1 GOTY! --> Gamespot full of Sony Fanboys!"

See the vicious cycle? It all happens in 2008, there are many in LYN who join in the fun too. Hypocrite calling hypocrite a hypocrite...nothing new. That's how the fanboy crumble, fanboyism is what fuel the console market. As for me I would respect an honest sensible fanboy more so than a fanboy in disguise, you see.
Why stop there?  biggrin.gif I would also like to see your source of bad years for 360 because from my FBI source, it's pretty well spread out for all 3 platform. (unless your source is SDF, lol)
However, the consumer are voting with their wallet for Wii games which top the chart with 360 & ps3 trailing behind. So if you ask me, it's a bad year for both ps3 & 360 laugh.gif

I feel for you though because your gaming experience are dictated by the press & journalism.
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i stopped because i'm nt a fanboy simple as that lol...
you as a mod should know better rather than provoking console fanboy war...
sorry but i'm nt a tool as u hope i am to start a fanboy war...
and to me, u jz lost my respect for u as a mod for trying to ignite fanboy war...

jz stating a fact that has proven itself through 2 big gaming websites which is why i stated IGN as well and not only gamespot...
and as david jaffe said, comparing a wii to a ps3 (and also the 360 in this context) is like comparing an apple to an orange...

its jz mindless bashing of a good game by fanboys who dun get to play it and know nothing about it...
when they do get to play it, they worship it like god...
stating the obvious does not make u a hypocrite as u claimed...
i think the previous mgs4 so called porting rumor to the 360 thread has already proved it (bashing mgs4 b4 the rumor, supporting it during the rumor and bashing after the rumor)...

check my posts and slowly reflect...
am i a gamer or a fanboy...
you on the other hand...
hmmm i dunno...
threatening me when i'm defending a good game and not the console itself?
how far has fanboyism goes over here?

glad i learn a new thing today...
ending a sentence with a question mark is a not a question but a statement...
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Tsk tsk tsk... why all the argument... why can't we all just get along... PS3 gamers, Xbox 360 gamers, Wii gamers. If there were to be a comparison between platforms, there is no end to it. Its just like arguing whether... UFOs exist or not.

2009 - PS3's year
2009 - Xbox 360's year

Both platforms are going to do considerably well. Its up to the consumer as to which platform he/she prefers or owns.




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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jan 11 2009, 01:18 PM)
Tsk tsk tsk... why all the argument... why can't we all just get along... PS3 gamers, Xbox 360 gamers, Wii gamers. If there were to be a comparison between platforms, there is no end to it. Its just like arguing whether... UFOs exist or not.

2009 - PS3's year
2009 - Xbox 360's year

Both platforms are going to do considerably well. Its up to the consumer as to which platform he/she prefers or owns.
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i was getting along talking about games (about how LO and LR are jz unreal engine issues while defending mgs4's cutscene) n why blueray would be bad for 360...
heck i even stated that 360's online community is better...
then i get shot by a big shot lol...
he even tried to brought up the wii LOL...

forza3 still nt announced rite though i'm pretty sure it would be out this year for sure (especially with the rumored gt5)...
the 2 halos gonna have a big battle with killzone2 with near close release dates...

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I beg your pardon, how am i provoking the fanboy war?

-2 gaming site, so you only pick the one that favors you? There are tons more out there - eurogamer, gamestrailer, your favourite VGA awards, 1up, x-play etc. I don't know where you get the idea it's a bad year for 360. That's still not fanboyism?
-I know fighting fanboys will keep the spirit up & high, but who is bashing MGS4 here apart from techno?

Threatening you? Sorry, I am merely pointing out your flaws of argument. If you disagree, you can always rebuked with facts or opinion but not misleading opinion as fact. How I am threatening you?

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ending a sentence with a question mark is a not a question but a statement...

I supposed so? It's often use in an informal conversation. I have yet to master english language, sorry tongue.gif

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 01:25 PM)
I beg your pardon, how am i provoking the fanboy war?

-2 gaming site, so you only pick the one that favors you? There are tons more out there - eurogamer, gamestrailer, your favourite VGA awards, 1up, x-play etc. I don't know where you get the idea it's a bad year for 360. That's still not fanboyism?
-I know fighting fanboys will keep the spirit up & high, but who is bashing MGS4 here apart from techno?

Threatening you? Sorry, I am merely pointing out your flaws of argument. If you disagree, you can always rebuked with facts or opinion but not misleading opinion as fact. How I am threatening you?
I supposed so? It's often use in an informal conversation. I have yet to master english language, sorry tongue.gif
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look back at ur post which i quote...
then u can see it pretty clearly where the so called threat is...
i dun like to point out the obvious...

again u dun expect me to quote all the websites especially when i need to dig all those websites jz to prove my point?
on top of my head are ign and gamespot as these are the 2 main websites i go to (besides kotaku n magicbox)...
i dun need to go all out to prove a point when i'm defending a game, not a console...
i could go all out with pcgamer mag's top 10 games of 2008, the VGA which as u claimed would suit my points well as well...
why didn't i?
heck i even know a website that gave LBP GoTY...
only fanboys would go all out to post everything!
why would i say that GeoW2 is the best example of what the power of the 360 can bring when i'm looking to bash the console which i'm nt?

i'm quoting those who have misconception about mgs4 and its cutscenes...
what can be done during the cutscenes moment and how long is the game when played to the fullest which is falsely claimed...
i dun remember bashing u in defence of mgs4 or any1 else (not even techno)

ps: i dun see how that question mark would make it a statement... if i misunderstood ur statement, i appologized for it...


Added on January 11, 2009, 1:51 pmps v2: i never said its a bad year for 360... i said not really a good year for 360 exclusives... and i sitll stand by it... u can never catch me rant about a 360 game from 2008...

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This will help you refresh your memory
If you still couldn't figure out why you are giving ppl an impression your a fanboy in disguise, give me a holler.


I hate to list this out because it makes me look really stupid as if I need this to justify my investment in 360 doh.gif
VGA? Gears of War 2 won 2 awards...& left 4 dead for pc/360. Where your statistic come from?
x-play - Fable 2 GOTY?
Eurogamers - I will let you check out the top 50 yourself. Ask again if you insist that I list everything out for you.
edit : I googled, here's the whole list for your viewing pleasure.

Really, just check all the game sites yourself. Visit gamerankings if you really like for the average rating....You could even list out all the 360 exclusive above the rating of 8 as base since all of these matter so much to you.

So, where do you get your whacky idea of 2008 360 exclusive = bad year & majority awards = ps3? I really don't see it, because to me it's pretty even!



Edited 2 : er...you are quoting my whole post, so basically my whole post is a threat? Sound the alarm!!!!!!

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 01:55 PM)
This will help you refresh your memory
If you still couldn't figure out why you are giving ppl an impression your a fanboy in disguise, give me a holler.
I hate to list this out because it makes me look really stupid as if I need this to justify my investment in 360 doh.gif
VGA? Gears of War 2 won 2 awards...& left 4 dead for pc/360. Where your statistic come from?
x-play - Fable 2 GOTY?
Eurogamers - I will let you check out the top 50 yourself. Ask again if you insist that I list everything out for you.
edit : I google, here's the whole list for your viewing pleasure.

Really, just check all the game sites yourself. Visit gamerankings if you really like for the average rating....You could even list out all the 360 exclusive above the rating of 8 as base since all of these matter so much to you.

So, where do you get your whacky idea of 360 = bad year & majority awards = ps3? I really don't see it, because to me it's pretty even!
PS : ok you edit, change to "360 2008 exclusive = bad year" then.
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i would not change something i never stated jz because u ask me to...
u are a mod, u can check my edit histroy...
did i said bad year or did i said not really a good year...
and all of this is about exclusives on the 360...
again i never bash any 360 games as being bad/ worthless/ terrible etc...
using ur list, u can see that its nt really a good year for the 360 when they were sweeping awards with GeoW back in 2007...

as for the link history u post, that time was comparing console, not games...
check and see if i said get the console to suit ur exclusive needs...
check and see if i did claimed its jz to counter all to bad baseless remarks given to the 360...
and in the thread itself, u shut me off by closign the thread once the 360 fanboys were speechless from the rebuke on their claims on: -
- ps3 dun have good games
- ps3 dun have online
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I only do the moderating when I am free, at that point of time...That thread is meaningless and just spamming all the way, what do u want to rebuke after your last post @ Dec 24 2008, 10:36 PM Tell me because I see nothing, you are free to do it now if you believe it's unfair to you. Don't you think I am doing you a favour by shutting out the "xbots" chance of countering you? laugh.gif
I am not even gona point out the irony of your fanboy post in that thread which contradict your points here. However, do tell if you think I am just making things up.



QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 11 2009, 02:13 PM)
i would not change something i never stated jz because u ask me to...
u are a mod, u can check my edit histroy...
did i said bad year or did i said not really a good year...
and all of this is about exclusives on the 360...
again i never bash any 360 games as being bad/ worthless/ terrible etc...
using ur list, u can see that its nt really a good year for the 360 when they were sweeping awards with GeoW back in 2007...
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@bolded part.
It can only be better competition either from the same or different platform, but I still don't get your "majority of awards go to ps3" "2008 bad year for 360 exclusive"? If you wana bring the fanboy war to next level, look closely at all the media awards. There are actually more awards for 360 games...but multi-platform games are the one sweeping awards. I think your point of argument are backfiring on you.

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 02:29 PM)
I only do the moderating when I am free, at that point of time...That thread is meaningless and just spamming all the way, what do u want to rebuke after your last post @ Dec 24 2008, 10:36 PM Tell me because I see nothing, you are free to do it now if you believe it's unfair to you. I am not even gona point out the irony of your fanboy post in that thread which contradict your points here. However, do tell if you think I am just making things up.
The edit was refering to your new edited post as I was typing & previewing.
@bolded part.
It can only be better competition either from the same or different platform, but I still don't get your "majority of awards go to ps3" "2008 bad year for 360 exclusive"? If you wana bring the fanboy war to next level, look closely at all the media awards. There are actually more awards for 360 games...but multi-platform games are the one sweeping awards. I think your point of argument are backfiring on you.
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once again...
i never said its a bad year for 360...
i said not really a good year for the 360...
its the 3rd time i'm repeating this if i'm nt mistaken...

as for the other thread, why i nvr chose to pursue it?
i'm nt that petty...
i've already stated my claims that the ps3 bad as some claimed it is...
i never said its superior over the 360 in any way...
if i do, u wont see me defending games like fable2, GeoW2 etc...
i've even defended fable 2 when some guy quoted the SDF article on fable 2 and i'm labeled as fanboy?
just look at wut i've posted so far in this thread and u can pretty much see it clearly...
do remember this is xbox subforum, don't u think i will get shot to oblivion if i'm a sony fanboy?


Added on January 11, 2009, 2:48 pmps on ur edited part: i am aware some of the points may backfire, but i'm nt looking for an argument here but rather a discussion... thus i posted them...

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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 11 2009, 09:50 AM)
if u have played all the MGS series u wont be complaining about MGS4 bro hehehe  icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on January 11, 2009, 9:53 am

its not that ms dowan to take blu ray,sony is waiting when Ms will give up and pay them for use of blu ray rights on their console,when that happens sony will be king again.
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i did. played all including the 8 bit ones. and for the longest time i thought MGS2 was crap because it was full of "story". until i played MGS4.


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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 11 2009, 03:04 PM)
i did. played all including the 8 bit ones. and for the longest time i thought MGS2 was crap because it was full of "story". until i played MGS4.
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i jz notice MTG in ur siggy O.o
still playing?

actually mgs4 really complete the plotholes in every mgs perfectly...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 11 2009, 03:06 PM)
i jz notice MTG in ur siggy O.o
still playing?

actually mgs4 really complete the plotholes in every mgs perfectly...
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yup. almost everyday. biggrin.gif
if MGS4 were a hollywood movie, being the last one in the quintology, critics will call it as rushed with erratic pacing.
why? because it tries hard to resolve everything that's been done thru out the series within this one movie.
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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 11 2009, 03:10 PM)
yup. almost everyday. biggrin.gif
if MGS4 were a hollywood movie, being the last one in the quintology, critics will call it as rushed with erratic pacing.
why? because it tries hard to resolve everything that's been done thru out the series within this one movie.
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actually i find mgs4 did a really good job...
everything ended really well (though i'm nt really fond of th ending after the credits)...

cool maybe next time can play mtg wit u XD
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only becoz xbox can play 'ahem' stuff. period.

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only becoz xbox can play 'ahem' stuff. period.
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totally untrue...
msia sales is jz a small percentage of the total 360 sales...
piracy is pretty much non-existance on western/ australian side...
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QUOTE(yojimbo512 @ Jan 11 2009, 03:12 PM)
only becoz xbox can play 'ahem' stuff. period.
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lol. brainless.
so you are saying that millions new 360 users will pirate their games?
do you even know how hard it is to pirate a game outside asia?
especially in the US where most ppl are not that IT savvy?

if you are smart, you will know that in any product, price point will make a difference.
normal layman will look at ps3's games and compare it with 360's and say they look identical.
then they compare the pricing of the machines.
360 looks more appealing since it's cheaper.

that's why it's selling more than ps3.

of coz you get ppl who don't care about graphics and just look at the price, the Wii buyers.

if you don't have anything good to add to the thread, please stick to your ps3 forum.
coming in here and posting one liner makes you look like a retard. period.


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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 11 2009, 03:12 PM)
actually i find mgs4 did a really good job...
everything ended really well (though i'm nt really fond of th ending after the credits)...

cool maybe next time can play mtg wit u XD
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like once every other day.
hehehhe.. look for me there.
i dun have a deck tho.. i just draft.

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"Bad year" or "not really a good year compare to ps3"...how much difference can it be with the whole context of your post when...the most obvious one:
QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 24 2008, 07:09 PM)
gamespot is owned by cnet (which is under microsoft) and over the past years been very bias to the xbox (see their resistance 2 preview) and yet this year, ps3 titles been doing great...

1.Backfired.
2.Fanboyism traits - if the game site agree with you, it's neutral. If it doesn't, it's bias.

Along with other post of yours, this is why you have a suggestive title of fanboy in disguise. No offense. You really can't blame anyone with that kinda post of yours.

QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 11 2009, 02:47 PM)
as for the other thread, why i nvr chose to pursue it?
i'm nt that petty...
Actually, on that thread you are the one that keep pursuing while others have already stop replying or even care. I gave you a hint but it seems that my awesome manglish failed to send the message.


BTW, what makes you think "xbots" here must shoot you down in the xbox subforum laugh.gif You even openly challenge the Xbots by calling it - defend your own turf, yet nobody seems to take you seriously.
There might be lots of "rumours" about xbots bashing mgs4 or ps3 but i dare say most of it are imaginary. At least the one who are active on forum/xbl. Fanboy in a fight is the only way to keep their spirit burning. There are new & old trolls alike everywhere else, it's not a 360 exclusive laugh.gif As long as everyone keep things civil then...ok? It could be something as light as a football match discussion.

Sorry if I sound like a threat to you, but I am just a keyboard warrior and I have no intention of threatening anyone. biggrin.gif
As for others, you & I are only clowns to them. Carry on or you can contribute to this thread by answering the TS TS question.
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 03:20 PM)
"Bad year" or "not really a good year compare to ps3"...how much difference can it be with the whole context of your post when...the most obvious one:

1.Backfired.
2.Fanboyism traits - if the game site agree with you, it's neutral. If it doesn't, it's bias.

Along with other post of yours, this is why you have a suggestive title of fanboy in disguise. No offense. You really can't blame anyone with that kinda post of yours.
Actually, on that thread you are the one that keep pursuing while others have already stop replying or even care. I gave you a hint but it seems that my awesome manglish failed to send the message.
BTW, what makes you think "xbots" here must shoot you down in the xbox subforum laugh.gif You even openly challenge the Xbots by calling it - defend your own turf, yet nobody seems to take you seriously.
There might be lots of "rumours" about xbots bashing mgs4 or ps3 but i dare say most of it are imaginary. At least the one who are active on forum/xbl. Fanboy in a fight is the only way to keep their spirit burning. There are new & old trolls alike everywhere else, it's not a 360 exclusive laugh.gif As long as everyone keep things civil then...ok? It could be something as light as a football match discussion.

Sorry if I sound like a threat to you, but I am just a keyboard warrior and I have no intention of threatening anyone. biggrin.gif
As for others, you & I are only clowns to them. Carry on or you can contribute to this thread by answering the TS TS question.
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lol that was other thread...
if u didnt notice, in the resistance 2 preview, the editor claimed that the hedgebomb in resistance 2 is copied from halo 2 or halo 3 (u can check all the flames to that editor and last i heard, he was fired or something after a long time)...
that's when i started labeling gamespot as bias and yet i got shot a fanboy? lol...
and yes, despite gamespot being bias, it gave ps3 games good reviews this year as well as 360 games (fable2n GeoW2)...
thus i stand by my claimed that ps3 exclusives has already made a turnaround having a better year thus a not really good year for the 360 exclusives...

though it puzzled me, why are u sitll digging that thread lol...
that time the ps3 was under heavy fire lol and i think i stated it very clear, it was jz to defend the ps3...

besides again after giving my facts and some minor 'resistance', the rest of them could not come out with a counter argument to backed their claims on the ps3 suckiness...
and with the thread closed, the whole 'if' scenario is in question now which is of course too late...
cause the locking came after my challenge which is a result of their silence after getting shot with facts that the ps3 does not suck...

if u still regard me a fanboy its up to u...
i'll defend whichever console under atk (u can check my post history, i've defended the 360, ps3 and the wii as well)...
and if u notice, i never actually bash any games (other than casual games and some mmorpg lol)...

if u want me to answer the TS, there is no need for me to...
the others have already answered no which i agreeed...
if ppl are already happily paying u, do u want them to stop paying?

oh ya, u are not a threat to me...
threatening and being a threat is a different thing...
though i wont pursue this issue any further...

@ techno
i'm in pg now...
and i nvr went manawex b4 till nw...
mostly playing in prereleases/ releases and regionals only...

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Anyways lemme grab some popcorn...
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to each his own...for God's sake, to each his own

this topic isn't even flameworthy honestly. just fanboyism taken to another pointless fanboyism level.


U say bad year for xbox? Fine, I'll go play GOW2 or <insert nice xbox game>

U say bad year for ps3? Fine, I'll go play Resistance 2 or <insert nice ps3 game>



see the pattern? never-ending right?

It's not even worth fighting anymore ler.

Countless "Whic betta? Ps3 or xbox?" threads are around to the point it's not even disgusting anymore. I just accept the fact that fanboyism is a disease and we must be pitiful to those who have it.

take for example the worst victim of fanboyism, lightning69.

Pity him lar. Obviously suffering for a long time edi. Last time I flame him, but now I think better I sympathize him.


That goes for all of you out there:

To those who are lucky enough to be immune to fanboyism, lend a helping hand to those who are not.

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the company dont even pay u fanboyans !! and they didnt know u existed !
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so what? ms still hates malaysian xboxer. region lock b****es!
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i hope XBL card price will go down..

man its too mahal..
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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 11 2009, 03:17 PM)
lol. brainless.
so you are saying that millions new 360 users will pirate their games?
do you even know how hard it is to pirate a game outside asia?
especially in the US where most ppl are not that IT savvy?

if you are smart, you will know that in any product, price point will make a difference.
normal layman will look at ps3's games and compare it with 360's and say they look identical.
then they compare the pricing of the machines.
360 looks more appealing since it's cheaper.

that's why it's selling more than ps3.

of coz you get ppl who don't care about graphics and just look at the price, the Wii buyers.

if you don't have anything good to add to the thread, please stick to your ps3 forum.
coming in here and posting one liner makes you look like a retard. period.
woa, i'm feelin the love here already
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"especially in the US where most ppl are not that IT savvy?" WTF? shocking.gif

but surely, you can't deny that being able to run 'backup' games does contribute towards better sales.
too bad they never post up statistics on the most downloaded/torrented/rapidshared games.
but once they break bluray's encrytions, then we'll talk. but for now i stand my ground.
and put out that flame will ya?
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QUOTE(lightonokira @ Jan 11 2009, 04:44 PM)
i hope XBL card price will go down..

man its too mahal..
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Get the 12+1 card (or codes), its much more cheaper, really it does. Last year i got my 13 month for only RM140+ biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yojimbo512 @ Jan 11 2009, 04:48 PM)
woa, i'm feelin the love here already
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"especially in the US where most ppl are not that IT savvy?" WTF? shocking.gif

but surely, you can't deny that being able to run 'backup' games does contribute towards better sales.
too bad they never post up statistics on the most downloaded/torrented/rapidshared games.
but once they break bluray's encrytions, then we'll talk. but for now i stand my ground.
and put out that flame will ya?
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it is already broken...
i know some blueray videos being copied to DVD-9 lol...
jz that piracy for blueray will never happen due to the cost of a blueray disc...
it will stay that for a long time till blueray is finally able to rival DVDs...

still ur reasoning on piracy helping sales wont really matter overseas...
they are really strict overseas especially US...
unless of course you are: -

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as for XBL...
i think the price is pretty standard since its US-based...
is it cheaper buying it on9 with credit card?

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QUOTE(lightonokira @ Jan 11 2009, 04:44 PM)
i hope XBL card price will go down..

man its too mahal..
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if u want free
buy ps3
play online with lagging issue
event play with malaysian...
coz i play ps3 online b4 with some malaysian...


p/s:not boyan here..fact it is biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dark lenanza @ Jan 11 2009, 05:24 PM)
if u want free
buy ps3
play online with lagging issue
event play with malaysian...
coz i play ps3 online b4 with some malaysian...
p/s:not boyan here..fact it is  biggrin.gif
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pretty much true ^^
and 360 have better online community...
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QUOTE(yojimbo512 @ Jan 11 2009, 04:48 PM)
woa, i'm feelin the love here already
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"especially in the US where most ppl are not that IT savvy?" WTF? shocking.gif

but surely, you can't deny that being able to run 'backup' games does contribute towards better sales.
too bad they never post up statistics on the most downloaded/torrented/rapidshared games.
but once they break bluray's encrytions, then we'll talk. but for now i stand my ground.
and put out that flame will ya?
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come let's talk.

http://www.techspot.com/news/24166-bluray-...n-bypassed.html

http://www.dailytech.com/Bluray+Encryption...article5795.htm

http://www.drmwatch.com/ocr/article.php/3736741

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/4...randed-obsolete

and as for statistics..

http://isohunt.com/stats.php?mode=zg

this statistics is updated daily.. but for today.. check out what's on number 10 (pc games), 23 (wii), 56 (ps2) and 93 (nintendo ds).
hmm.. i wonder where's xbox 360..
oppsss... there ya go, number 137 in the list of most search phrases.

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pirated blueray do exist in msia in the form of DVD-9!
my fren saw them selling it in ipoh lol...
(yes its in HD as well)
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thanks for the enlightenment guys. but the dvd-9 version still don't match up to those ori bluray ones.
but it still kills me to see, what if there's 'ahem' blurays games.

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QUOTE(yojimbo512 @ Jan 11 2009, 07:02 PM)
thanks for the enlightenment guys. but the dvd-9 version still don't match up to those ori bluray ones.
but it still kills me to see, what if there's 'ahem' blurays games.
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its only possible for movies (1 hour)...
my fren tested it and a one hour show is 9gig!!!

so piracy in blueray media is pretty much impossible for large content...
u are rite on that ^^
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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 11 2009, 03:17 PM)
do you even know how hard it is to pirate a game outside asia?
especially in the US where most ppl are not that IT savvy?

Erm piracy in the US is easy. The only difference is that games aren't openly sold, so you have to download or whatever.

The only reason piracy is less rampant there is because of economics. A single 8-hour shift at McD's and you can already buy 1-2 new games, if the ratio for game prices here in MY is similar, we'd have a hugely low piracy rate too.

[edit] not to mention game rentals ... when I was there I had a gamefly account, can't remember the price anymore but it was ~$20 a month for unlimited 2-games-at-a-time rentals. What's the point in pirating when playing original is already so cheap? But now back in MY ... zomg, 160bucks per game? That's almost 2 days of a starting salary for a degree-holder ...


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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 11 2009, 07:12 PM)
its only possible for movies (1 hour)...
my fren tested it and a one hour show is 9gig!!!

I've seen dvd-9 pirated discs at a shop near my house. I don't think it's real HD, probably a rip of some sort (lower bitrate for the video or audio or both). I mean, quick google shows that blu-ray pirates of the caribbean is 46gb ... if you full copy to dvd-9 also need 5 discs, hehe.

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Jan 11 2009, 07:45 PM)
Erm piracy in the US is easy. The only difference is that games aren't openly sold, so you have to download or whatever.

The only reason piracy is less rampant there is because of economics. A single 8-hour shift at McD's and you can already buy 1-2 new games, if the ratio for game prices here in MY is similar, we'd have a hugely low piracy rate too.

[edit] not to mention game rentals ... when I was there I had a gamefly account, can't remember the price anymore but it was ~$20 a month for unlimited 2-games-at-a-time rentals. What's the point in pirating when playing original is already so cheap? But now back in MY ... zomg, 160bucks per game? That's almost 2 days of a starting salary for a degree-holder ...


Added on January 11, 2009, 7:50 pm
I've seen dvd-9 pirated discs at a shop near my house. I don't think it's real HD, probably a rip of some sort (lower bitrate for the video or audio or both). I mean, quick google shows that blu-ray pirates of the caribbean is 46gb ... if you full copy to dvd-9 also need 5 discs, hehe.
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actually, they jz rip off the 1 hour performance which is 1 hour...
my fren was curious so he decided to try it...
it is 1080p on his laptop...

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 11 2009, 06:32 PM)
pirated blueray do exist in msia in the form of DVD-9!
my fren saw them selling it in ipoh lol...
(yes its in HD as well)
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actually, pirated bluray movies do exist (in the form of 25gb single-layer discs). but the prices are so ridiculously high

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 11 2009, 06:32 PM)
pirated blueray do exist in msia in the form of DVD-9!
my fren saw them selling it in ipoh lol...
(yes its in HD as well)
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Yes, pirated blue-ray do exist. There are even shops who is doing the downloading for blue-ray for a certain fees.
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QUOTE(yojimbo512 @ Jan 11 2009, 07:02 PM)
thanks for the enlightenment guys. but the dvd-9 version still don't match up to those ori bluray ones.
but it still kills me to see, what if there's 'ahem' blurays games.
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well what we are seeing now is the repeat of previous thing.
before this we have dvd rip sold to vcds.
now blu ray rip sold on dvds.

trust me, by the time dual layer rewritable blu ray media hits 40 ringgit, pirated PS3 games will be rampant.
at the current price of 90 ringgit it's not feasible yet to pirate the damn thing.

the technology is there. just the media is too expensive.
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LOL the movie have finished? and i just got here...

QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 11 2009, 09:27 PM)
well what we are seeing now is the repeat of previous thing.
before this we have dvd rip sold to vcds.
now blu ray rip sold on dvds.

trust me, by the time dual layer rewritable blu ray media hits 40 ringgit, pirated PS3 games will be rampant.
at the current price of 90 ringgit it's not feasible yet to pirate the damn thing.

the technology is there. just the media is too expensive.
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by the time dual layer rewritable blu ray media become affordable and pirated ps3 games exists, can we label all ps3 owners as playing "ahems" games?

don't quote me if want to give serious answer. i'm too old to have a debate. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 11 2009, 09:36 PM)
LOL the movie have finished? and i just got here...

by the time dual layer rewritable blu ray media become affordable and pirated ps3 games exists, can we label all ps3 owners as playing "ahems" games?

don't quote me if want to give serious answer. i'm too old to have a debate. tongue.gif
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need to see can the ps3 be modded yet?
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 11 2009, 09:38 PM)
need to see can the ps3 be modded yet?
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i don't think there's a need for modding.
look at youtube. tons of videos on how to bypass the security check on ps3.
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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 11 2009, 09:41 PM)
i don't think there's a need for modding.
look at youtube. tons of videos on how to bypass the security check on ps3.
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if that's true, then it take around 2 years i guess...
DVD is still going strong while blueray is sitll nt the standard yet...
still original is the better buy for the free online services...
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post Jan 11 2009, 09:55 PM

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when i say "pirated ps3 games exists" basically it also implies that there will be ps3 that able to play pirated games rite?

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post Jan 11 2009, 10:10 PM

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WTH is that? Looks like Halo...

QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 11 2009, 03:40 PM)
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lol I am not gona continue this because it's getting ridiculous but if you really want me to keep pointing out what went wrong with your post above, give a shout out as I am gona have my lunch & do some of my stuff first.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 11 2009, 09:55 PM)
when i say "pirated ps3 games exists" basically it also implies that there will be ps3 that able to play pirated games rite?

come on people, try to get into the groove.. move your body, shake it! shake it!
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post Jan 12 2009, 10:32 AM

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wats the point of modding the ps3 still not many exclusives to play,not worth the time to hack it.
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