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post Jan 10 2009, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 10 2009, 07:51 PM)
hehehe. not bashing la. just stating out the obvious fact. ppl seem to think MGS4 is "the one and only game that defines PS3" since it came out when they totally forget that the game has more cinematics and dialogues of FF7 - FF12 combined. biggrin.gif
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actually there is more gameplay on mgs4 than cutscenes...
the only ones complaining about the cutscenes are those who never bothered to stealth and went run/gun mode on easier diffculty...
if u actually went to combine both stealth and run/gun while exploring the areas the gameplay is pretty long...

another thing mgs4 cutscene is interactive...
u actually have gameplay elements in them...
for example, the mission briefings, u can use the mk2 to explore around while the cutscene is played etc...
u are actually playin the cutscene rather than jz watching...

mgs4 is an experience more than a game which is why its been getting awards...
u really feel the game and the emotions (especially if u played the other mgs)...
u can listen to gamespot's podcast special where they rant about how awesome the experience is for 40 minutes+ when one of them dun even play the other series and still love the game...
it is their argument for why they chose mgs4 as their GoTY...

graphics wise on multiplatform titles, both consoles have their strengths n weakness...
LO and last remnant are jz poor optimization on the unreal engine...
GeoW2 has proved wut the 360 can offer in the right hands...
2008 however was nt really a good year for the 360 in terms of exclusive...
hope forza3 really is out for 2009...
the 360's biggest strength would be its online community which is unrivaled by sony...

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post Jan 11 2009, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 12:04 AM)
ok, the name is Interactive cutscene?

lol wut?
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lol it means that the cutscenese are interactive...
after all most (not all) of the cutscenes are rendered with the in game engine...
u dun jz watch the cutscenes but rather u can interact with it using the mk2, look around, pressed certain buttons for flashbacks etc...

all those bashing on mgs4...
when mgs4 'do' one day get ported to the 360 will be gone...
hypocrites i would say...

and yes kojima supported the ps3 with so much hints in mgs4 itself (though he did asked fans not to bug him for a 360 port)...
he said its possible for the game to run on the 360...
but how good it runs was never stated...

as for 2008 is a bad year for 360 exclusives, the reviews and gaming awards shows it...
GTA4 was IGN and Gamespot GoTY for the 360...

MS's reason for not having a blueray drive for the 360 is pretty obvious: -
- despite winning the format war, blueray have not overcame DVD's dominance
- the cost for the add-on would be high costing the price advantage that the 360 have to be negated
- the games/ gamers of the 360 do not require blueray now
- royalty fees to sony LOL


Added on January 11, 2009, 10:58 am
QUOTE(navigator @ Jan 11 2009, 06:58 AM)
The obvious reason is Kojima want the title to be exclusive to PS3. Himself admited before--Anything runs on PS3 now can run on xbox360 without any problem. icon_idea.gif

Try to google that
cutscene rendering is a preset animation which required minimum physics calculation compared to actual play. whistling.gif
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as i've stated...
you are playing in the cutscenes...

example during the mission briefing: -
- u have a 3 way split screen (1 for cutscene, 1 for mk2 view, 1 for the camera)
- u have the option to maximize one of the view at will
- u can move the mk2 freely and if one of the other 2 views is looking at where the mk2 is, u can see the m2
- while using the mk2, u can interact with objects and the ppl

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post Jan 11 2009, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 12:46 PM)
@evo, "Interactive Cutscene" is my statement, not a question. The ongoing discussion between Thrust & me is on the machines gfx capabilities but not the game quality, so... For game bashing or hardcore fanboyism, it's better to bring it outside whether you are on the ps3 or 360 boot camp. Please don't force me into...user posted image
What goes around comes around. From "gamespot = Microsoft paid gaming site --> Gamespot is BIAS after a few ps3 games getting bad reviews --> Gamespot is awesome after 1 GOTY! --> Gamespot full of Sony Fanboys!"

See the vicious cycle? It all happens in 2008, there are many in LYN who join in the fun too. Hypocrite calling hypocrite a hypocrite...nothing new. That's how the fanboy crumble, fanboyism is what fuel the console market. As for me I would respect an honest sensible fanboy more so than a fanboy in disguise, you see.
Why stop there?  biggrin.gif I would also like to see your source of bad years for 360 because from my FBI source, it's pretty well spread out for all 3 platform. (unless your source is SDF, lol)
However, the consumer are voting with their wallet for Wii games which top the chart with 360 & ps3 trailing behind. So if you ask me, it's a bad year for both ps3 & 360 laugh.gif

I feel for you though because your gaming experience are dictated by the press & journalism.
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i stopped because i'm nt a fanboy simple as that lol...
you as a mod should know better rather than provoking console fanboy war...
sorry but i'm nt a tool as u hope i am to start a fanboy war...
and to me, u jz lost my respect for u as a mod for trying to ignite fanboy war...

jz stating a fact that has proven itself through 2 big gaming websites which is why i stated IGN as well and not only gamespot...
and as david jaffe said, comparing a wii to a ps3 (and also the 360 in this context) is like comparing an apple to an orange...

its jz mindless bashing of a good game by fanboys who dun get to play it and know nothing about it...
when they do get to play it, they worship it like god...
stating the obvious does not make u a hypocrite as u claimed...
i think the previous mgs4 so called porting rumor to the 360 thread has already proved it (bashing mgs4 b4 the rumor, supporting it during the rumor and bashing after the rumor)...

check my posts and slowly reflect...
am i a gamer or a fanboy...
you on the other hand...
hmmm i dunno...
threatening me when i'm defending a good game and not the console itself?
how far has fanboyism goes over here?

glad i learn a new thing today...
ending a sentence with a question mark is a not a question but a statement...
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post Jan 11 2009, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jan 11 2009, 01:18 PM)
Tsk tsk tsk... why all the argument... why can't we all just get along... PS3 gamers, Xbox 360 gamers, Wii gamers. If there were to be a comparison between platforms, there is no end to it. Its just like arguing whether... UFOs exist or not.

2009 - PS3's year
2009 - Xbox 360's year

Both platforms are going to do considerably well. Its up to the consumer as to which platform he/she prefers or owns.
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i was getting along talking about games (about how LO and LR are jz unreal engine issues while defending mgs4's cutscene) n why blueray would be bad for 360...
heck i even stated that 360's online community is better...
then i get shot by a big shot lol...
he even tried to brought up the wii LOL...

forza3 still nt announced rite though i'm pretty sure it would be out this year for sure (especially with the rumored gt5)...
the 2 halos gonna have a big battle with killzone2 with near close release dates...

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post Jan 11 2009, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 01:25 PM)
I beg your pardon, how am i provoking the fanboy war?

-2 gaming site, so you only pick the one that favors you? There are tons more out there - eurogamer, gamestrailer, your favourite VGA awards, 1up, x-play etc. I don't know where you get the idea it's a bad year for 360. That's still not fanboyism?
-I know fighting fanboys will keep the spirit up & high, but who is bashing MGS4 here apart from techno?

Threatening you? Sorry, I am merely pointing out your flaws of argument. If you disagree, you can always rebuked with facts or opinion but not misleading opinion as fact. How I am threatening you?
I supposed so? It's often use in an informal conversation. I have yet to master english language, sorry tongue.gif
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look back at ur post which i quote...
then u can see it pretty clearly where the so called threat is...
i dun like to point out the obvious...

again u dun expect me to quote all the websites especially when i need to dig all those websites jz to prove my point?
on top of my head are ign and gamespot as these are the 2 main websites i go to (besides kotaku n magicbox)...
i dun need to go all out to prove a point when i'm defending a game, not a console...
i could go all out with pcgamer mag's top 10 games of 2008, the VGA which as u claimed would suit my points well as well...
why didn't i?
heck i even know a website that gave LBP GoTY...
only fanboys would go all out to post everything!
why would i say that GeoW2 is the best example of what the power of the 360 can bring when i'm looking to bash the console which i'm nt?

i'm quoting those who have misconception about mgs4 and its cutscenes...
what can be done during the cutscenes moment and how long is the game when played to the fullest which is falsely claimed...
i dun remember bashing u in defence of mgs4 or any1 else (not even techno)

ps: i dun see how that question mark would make it a statement... if i misunderstood ur statement, i appologized for it...


Added on January 11, 2009, 1:51 pmps v2: i never said its a bad year for 360... i said not really a good year for 360 exclusives... and i sitll stand by it... u can never catch me rant about a 360 game from 2008...

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post Jan 11 2009, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 01:55 PM)
This will help you refresh your memory
If you still couldn't figure out why you are giving ppl an impression your a fanboy in disguise, give me a holler.
I hate to list this out because it makes me look really stupid as if I need this to justify my investment in 360 doh.gif
VGA? Gears of War 2 won 2 awards...& left 4 dead for pc/360. Where your statistic come from?
x-play - Fable 2 GOTY?
Eurogamers - I will let you check out the top 50 yourself. Ask again if you insist that I list everything out for you.
edit : I google, here's the whole list for your viewing pleasure.

Really, just check all the game sites yourself. Visit gamerankings if you really like for the average rating....You could even list out all the 360 exclusive above the rating of 8 as base since all of these matter so much to you.

So, where do you get your whacky idea of 360 = bad year & majority awards = ps3? I really don't see it, because to me it's pretty even!
PS : ok you edit, change to "360 2008 exclusive = bad year" then.
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i would not change something i never stated jz because u ask me to...
u are a mod, u can check my edit histroy...
did i said bad year or did i said not really a good year...
and all of this is about exclusives on the 360...
again i never bash any 360 games as being bad/ worthless/ terrible etc...
using ur list, u can see that its nt really a good year for the 360 when they were sweeping awards with GeoW back in 2007...

as for the link history u post, that time was comparing console, not games...
check and see if i said get the console to suit ur exclusive needs...
check and see if i did claimed its jz to counter all to bad baseless remarks given to the 360...
and in the thread itself, u shut me off by closign the thread once the 360 fanboys were speechless from the rebuke on their claims on: -
- ps3 dun have good games
- ps3 dun have online
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post Jan 11 2009, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 02:29 PM)
I only do the moderating when I am free, at that point of time...That thread is meaningless and just spamming all the way, what do u want to rebuke after your last post @ Dec 24 2008, 10:36 PM Tell me because I see nothing, you are free to do it now if you believe it's unfair to you. I am not even gona point out the irony of your fanboy post in that thread which contradict your points here. However, do tell if you think I am just making things up.
The edit was refering to your new edited post as I was typing & previewing.
@bolded part.
It can only be better competition either from the same or different platform, but I still don't get your "majority of awards go to ps3" "2008 bad year for 360 exclusive"? If you wana bring the fanboy war to next level, look closely at all the media awards. There are actually more awards for 360 games...but multi-platform games are the one sweeping awards. I think your point of argument are backfiring on you.
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once again...
i never said its a bad year for 360...
i said not really a good year for the 360...
its the 3rd time i'm repeating this if i'm nt mistaken...

as for the other thread, why i nvr chose to pursue it?
i'm nt that petty...
i've already stated my claims that the ps3 bad as some claimed it is...
i never said its superior over the 360 in any way...
if i do, u wont see me defending games like fable2, GeoW2 etc...
i've even defended fable 2 when some guy quoted the SDF article on fable 2 and i'm labeled as fanboy?
just look at wut i've posted so far in this thread and u can pretty much see it clearly...
do remember this is xbox subforum, don't u think i will get shot to oblivion if i'm a sony fanboy?


Added on January 11, 2009, 2:48 pmps on ur edited part: i am aware some of the points may backfire, but i'm nt looking for an argument here but rather a discussion... thus i posted them...

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post Jan 11 2009, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 11 2009, 03:04 PM)
i did. played all including the 8 bit ones. and for the longest time i thought MGS2 was crap because it was full of "story". until i played MGS4.
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i jz notice MTG in ur siggy O.o
still playing?

actually mgs4 really complete the plotholes in every mgs perfectly...
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post Jan 11 2009, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 11 2009, 03:10 PM)
yup. almost everyday. biggrin.gif
if MGS4 were a hollywood movie, being the last one in the quintology, critics will call it as rushed with erratic pacing.
why? because it tries hard to resolve everything that's been done thru out the series within this one movie.
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actually i find mgs4 did a really good job...
everything ended really well (though i'm nt really fond of th ending after the credits)...

cool maybe next time can play mtg wit u XD
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post Jan 11 2009, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(yojimbo512 @ Jan 11 2009, 03:12 PM)
only becoz xbox can play 'ahem' stuff. period.
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totally untrue...
msia sales is jz a small percentage of the total 360 sales...
piracy is pretty much non-existance on western/ australian side...
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post Jan 11 2009, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jan 11 2009, 03:20 PM)
"Bad year" or "not really a good year compare to ps3"...how much difference can it be with the whole context of your post when...the most obvious one:

1.Backfired.
2.Fanboyism traits - if the game site agree with you, it's neutral. If it doesn't, it's bias.

Along with other post of yours, this is why you have a suggestive title of fanboy in disguise. No offense. You really can't blame anyone with that kinda post of yours.
Actually, on that thread you are the one that keep pursuing while others have already stop replying or even care. I gave you a hint but it seems that my awesome manglish failed to send the message.
BTW, what makes you think "xbots" here must shoot you down in the xbox subforum laugh.gif You even openly challenge the Xbots by calling it - defend your own turf, yet nobody seems to take you seriously.
There might be lots of "rumours" about xbots bashing mgs4 or ps3 but i dare say most of it are imaginary. At least the one who are active on forum/xbl. Fanboy in a fight is the only way to keep their spirit burning. There are new & old trolls alike everywhere else, it's not a 360 exclusive laugh.gif As long as everyone keep things civil then...ok? It could be something as light as a football match discussion.

Sorry if I sound like a threat to you, but I am just a keyboard warrior and I have no intention of threatening anyone. biggrin.gif
As for others, you & I are only clowns to them. Carry on or you can contribute to this thread by answering the TS TS question.
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lol that was other thread...
if u didnt notice, in the resistance 2 preview, the editor claimed that the hedgebomb in resistance 2 is copied from halo 2 or halo 3 (u can check all the flames to that editor and last i heard, he was fired or something after a long time)...
that's when i started labeling gamespot as bias and yet i got shot a fanboy? lol...
and yes, despite gamespot being bias, it gave ps3 games good reviews this year as well as 360 games (fable2n GeoW2)...
thus i stand by my claimed that ps3 exclusives has already made a turnaround having a better year thus a not really good year for the 360 exclusives...

though it puzzled me, why are u sitll digging that thread lol...
that time the ps3 was under heavy fire lol and i think i stated it very clear, it was jz to defend the ps3...

besides again after giving my facts and some minor 'resistance', the rest of them could not come out with a counter argument to backed their claims on the ps3 suckiness...
and with the thread closed, the whole 'if' scenario is in question now which is of course too late...
cause the locking came after my challenge which is a result of their silence after getting shot with facts that the ps3 does not suck...

if u still regard me a fanboy its up to u...
i'll defend whichever console under atk (u can check my post history, i've defended the 360, ps3 and the wii as well)...
and if u notice, i never actually bash any games (other than casual games and some mmorpg lol)...

if u want me to answer the TS, there is no need for me to...
the others have already answered no which i agreeed...
if ppl are already happily paying u, do u want them to stop paying?

oh ya, u are not a threat to me...
threatening and being a threat is a different thing...
though i wont pursue this issue any further...

@ techno
i'm in pg now...
and i nvr went manawex b4 till nw...
mostly playing in prereleases/ releases and regionals only...

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post Jan 11 2009, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(yojimbo512 @ Jan 11 2009, 04:48 PM)
woa, i'm feelin the love here already
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"especially in the US where most ppl are not that IT savvy?" WTF? shocking.gif

but surely, you can't deny that being able to run 'backup' games does contribute towards better sales.
too bad they never post up statistics on the most downloaded/torrented/rapidshared games.
but once they break bluray's encrytions, then we'll talk. but for now i stand my ground.
and put out that flame will ya?
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it is already broken...
i know some blueray videos being copied to DVD-9 lol...
jz that piracy for blueray will never happen due to the cost of a blueray disc...
it will stay that for a long time till blueray is finally able to rival DVDs...

still ur reasoning on piracy helping sales wont really matter overseas...
they are really strict overseas especially US...
unless of course you are: -

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as for XBL...
i think the price is pretty standard since its US-based...
is it cheaper buying it on9 with credit card?

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post Jan 11 2009, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(dark lenanza @ Jan 11 2009, 05:24 PM)
if u want free
buy ps3
play online with lagging issue
event play with malaysian...
coz i play ps3 online b4 with some malaysian...
p/s:not boyan here..fact it is  biggrin.gif
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pretty much true ^^
and 360 have better online community...
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post Jan 11 2009, 06:32 PM

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pirated blueray do exist in msia in the form of DVD-9!
my fren saw them selling it in ipoh lol...
(yes its in HD as well)
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QUOTE(yojimbo512 @ Jan 11 2009, 07:02 PM)
thanks for the enlightenment guys. but the dvd-9 version still don't match up to those ori bluray ones.
but it still kills me to see, what if there's 'ahem' blurays games.
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its only possible for movies (1 hour)...
my fren tested it and a one hour show is 9gig!!!

so piracy in blueray media is pretty much impossible for large content...
u are rite on that ^^
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Jan 11 2009, 07:45 PM)
Erm piracy in the US is easy. The only difference is that games aren't openly sold, so you have to download or whatever.

The only reason piracy is less rampant there is because of economics. A single 8-hour shift at McD's and you can already buy 1-2 new games, if the ratio for game prices here in MY is similar, we'd have a hugely low piracy rate too.

[edit] not to mention game rentals ... when I was there I had a gamefly account, can't remember the price anymore but it was ~$20 a month for unlimited 2-games-at-a-time rentals. What's the point in pirating when playing original is already so cheap? But now back in MY ... zomg, 160bucks per game? That's almost 2 days of a starting salary for a degree-holder ...


Added on January 11, 2009, 7:50 pm
I've seen dvd-9 pirated discs at a shop near my house. I don't think it's real HD, probably a rip of some sort (lower bitrate for the video or audio or both). I mean, quick google shows that blu-ray pirates of the caribbean is 46gb ... if you full copy to dvd-9 also need 5 discs, hehe.
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actually, they jz rip off the 1 hour performance which is 1 hour...
my fren was curious so he decided to try it...
it is 1080p on his laptop...

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post Jan 11 2009, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 11 2009, 09:36 PM)
LOL the movie have finished? and i just got here...

by the time dual layer rewritable blu ray media become affordable and pirated ps3 games exists, can we label all ps3 owners as playing "ahems" games?

don't quote me if want to give serious answer. i'm too old to have a debate. tongue.gif
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need to see can the ps3 be modded yet?
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post Jan 11 2009, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(technophile @ Jan 11 2009, 09:41 PM)
i don't think there's a need for modding.
look at youtube. tons of videos on how to bypass the security check on ps3.
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if that's true, then it take around 2 years i guess...
DVD is still going strong while blueray is sitll nt the standard yet...
still original is the better buy for the free online services...

 

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