He was the one introducing the terms " bus parking tactics"

and said Wenger is voyeur for spying and talking on his players

Fav quote: The better team lost today aka JM
Another fav quote: I need to renew my contract with the devil...SAF

Benitez said: "I feel we have lost two points, we were much better in the first half and had control of the game. The second half was crazy and when it is crazy you can't control things.

lame excussssssssss !!! + 1

i believe the manager with most excuses would be SAF .. cos he managed Man Utd for long and so many trophies .. sure alot of excuses 1 la ... we cannot compare to that certain club manager... man utd has excuses where else they had facts ..

How is that an excuse? He said there are things he would like to say but can't, did you read that bit? He had the decency to keep his mouth shut knowing very well that he could be pulled up by the FA unlike certain "protected" managers. Process information before responding.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 4 2009, 03:59 PM

No actually, suggesting that certain managers are protected is also an EXCUSE.

Unless of course you are suggesting Benitez is being protected after accusing Gill and Manchester United.

This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Feb 4 2009, 05:32 PM

Keep his mouth shut? Guess someone stole and burn away his 'list'.

Worst excuse? Surely that grey kit that SAF complained about must be one of them. Did we ever wear them again after that?

some people's post with status Elite is just crap ... never can read any neutral post from him ...

'protected' manager ? how many times this manager being fined and send to stand by FA ? oh ya ... he only read anything that he like to read ...

Yeah, us having to play every game away after a CL/International break is down to luck. Right. It is random in a way, but with TV deals and stuff, I bet they do make some arrangements.

He didn't ask for a month break(he does ask for a winter break though). Don't be stupid, and just because he's SAF, manager of ManUtd, it's OK for you to just fire without doing some homework. I seem to remember if the Spanish team have a CL game midweek, then the weekend before that game they play on Saturdays. Not sure if its the same now, but it was true back then. That's all he ask. But hey, don't let that get in your way of bringing him down.

Nothing to play for in the league since that team was out of the running in December. So all they had to concentrate on is the cup games.
Benitez complaining about transfers. Not given enough money, but looking at the net spend, he's on par with us. air_mood has that list.. can't be arse to search for it.

This post has been edited by Wan: Feb 5 2009, 01:02 AM

let him be... cannot even accept the truth . anyway, important is table position .

Again? Someone with difficulty in reading? Who mention about AF asking for one month break? I was asking if that is AF's expectation? See that effing big question mark, no?Speaking of that junk list of air_mood, I m quite surprised that he is brave enough to put it on siggy.Come on, ages ago, tonnes of you were denying that ManU are spending a lot and say wikipedia is not trustworthy.Then, what makes that unknown website with simple layout and unknown owner trustworthy then? Or are manu supporters have this selective reading and believing habits?

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Added on February 5, 2009, 7:35 amHow many times he get fined and send to stand? Wow, that's less than the fingers of my hands.Why dont you ask the other way round? How many times did he get away from abusing/ accusing the official? And his threatening on the FA alone(in which he threatens to send someone to make sure the fixture go his way) is over the line and should have get fined.But did he? Funnily, no...


As for Duke's Elite status, I dont remember Se7en, RBR or the staffs mention about being an elite need to post up a neutral post...Well, that's being said if I remember clearly.And Elite are recommendation by the mods for contributing to Football Lounge and the status is not for posting neutral post(or to be more precise, post that you want to listen and not the truth)...

This post has been edited by solstice818: Feb 5 2009, 07:38 AM

Just name it out if you are going to talk crap about him. No point acting like a school girl. I am not going to defend him. I'll leave it to him. He is more than capable of dealing with pansies like you.

This list? http://www.paultomkins.com/blog_spending_detail.html

I dunno about you, but if you read the article thoroughly and look at it objectively, it is hard to deny that Rafa has less to spend than MU. I'm saying this based on facts not opinion.

1. YOU have never read any neutral post from him
OR
2. HE has never posted any neutral post?

because if its 1, then perhaps its a bit unfair to call people `crap'? Define crap? He gave a view and typed a few lines trying to explain and you call that crap...? gee...


sebelum post dan nak panggil orang crap tuh, pakai la otak sikit....especially when you want to link people's idea /view to their status.

In regard to excuses, i recalled used to be very sick of Houllier's many post-match interviews..hahah

This post has been edited by nando: Feb 5 2009, 09:29 AM

Like I've said, using wealth as an excuse when one can't find success on the pitch is nonsense. The United team of the 90s weren't exactly brought in for an extravagant amount of money. And if you're gonna knock on that being the factor, Arsene and Arsenal have spent considerably less than Pool have in his reign, yet still manage to finish above them more often than once. Still, some ppl are gonna chastise me for saying this coz I'm a glory hunter fan (or a "typical United fan" you seem to like calling us) and I don't know crap about football so I shouldn't post.

Only 16m less though. Not that much. Can buy what, 2 Dossenas, or a Robbie Keane(oops, not his own target eh? weak management then), or a Nunez with another Kuyt. The squad seem decent now though, just needed two really good wingers, and a good striker as backup for Torres/to partner him. Keane may have made a difference with Gerrard out last night. Not Rafa's choice to buy him. Wonder why he took him anyway, and selling him midway half the season without replacement.

I agree with you that not having enough money is not the most valid excuse to not win the league but it is definitely a reason. I am sure you would agree with me on this. Yes, there are other ways to be successful, but with enough money, its just so much easier. I have never claimed that we don't have enough money to win the league. What I always say is we don't have enough money to compete on a level playing ground. It is definitely winnable, but it is going to be harder compared to our rivals.

And to compare the 90s team of MU to the current Liverpool crop is unfair. Although Ferguson did not outspend his rivals by a mile, he was definitely among the biggest spenders. Plus you had a lot of good players coming through the system at the same time, which is really rare and this process takes a while to achieve.

Ferguson had 8-10 years to tweak his youth policy to bring about that golden generation and its only fair that Rafa is given the same amount of time if you are going to judge him based on the players that come through the ranks. And yes, GH does not count, our youth policy until then was not the best to say the least. I'll admit that.

As for Arsenal, like I mentioned earlier, not having enough to spend is one of the factors. They managed to find a way to work around it. Kudos to them. Still does not take away the fact that financial muscle has huge implications on a team's title aspirations and performance.

I think in football, there are teams that have triumphed because of the injection of wealth and there are teams that have not moved on to bigger thing because of the lack of wealth. But then, once in a while, we also have teams achieving glory with limited resources and vice versa. That is why the topic can be controversial.

To me , its not wrong to cite the lack of funds as one of the reason for lack of success. Teams like Villa, Everton to me, can use this reason more than others.

Teams like MU and Chelsea will find it no longer viable to cite lack of wealth as failure (if they do fail in coming years) because we do know how much resources and also income these 2 teams generate...

For Arsenal, i wont blame the lack of wealth if they fail to achieve anything again, Rather, its the lack of utilization of funds. And by the way, they just splashed out some money for Arshavin. And is Arsene's reign really more succesful than Rafa for the past 4-5 seasons?

The difficult one is Liverpool. Its a big team, strong history. It is not a Villa, not Everton (in terms of fan base and $) but neither is it MU or Chelsea. To me, it is not right for Liverpool to blindly use the excuse `lack of funds' for our failure to win titles. But then, I do believe that if our financial status is stronger, there is a possibility we can purchase better players that might help to achieve success.

And its sometimes baseless to add value of players brought over few seasons and equal them to value of 1 player and said both clubs are equal in terms of spending. Its not. I've bought over my 10 years of driving several cars-second hand, Japanese, etc, which if i add on the total value, is equal to a price of 1 spanking new C200. Does it mean my financial status today is as good as the fella who walked into a Benz showroom and buy a C200 today?




This post has been edited by nando: Feb 5 2009, 09:45 AM

Compare Liverpool's 2004 team to MU's 2004 team and honestly tell me who needs more work? And then take into consideration that despite that, we still spent 16m less. Which could potentially be a Robbie Keane or a Cronaldo.

And as for the Robbie Keane issue, just don't bother. Its too complicated. I hate to say this, but inside Liverpool's boardroom there is probably a cemetery worth of skeletons. Its s hit, I hate it. Fooking yanks.