Footballing Excuses debunked!, Excuses given after having lost a game.
Footballing Excuses debunked!, Excuses given after having lost a game.
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Dec 30 2008, 12:27 PM
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"I didn't see it." Made famous by a certain French manager.
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Dec 31 2008, 12:03 AM
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Feb 5 2009, 09:20 AM
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Like I've said, using wealth as an excuse when one can't find success on the pitch is nonsense. The United team of the 90s weren't exactly brought in for an extravagant amount of money. And if you're gonna knock on that being the factor, Arsene and Arsenal have spent considerably less than Pool have in his reign, yet still manage to finish above them more often than once. Still, some ppl are gonna chastise me for saying this coz I'm a glory hunter fan (or a "typical United fan" you seem to like calling us) and I don't know crap about football so I shouldn't post.
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Feb 5 2009, 09:45 AM
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Feb 5 2009, 09:35 AM) I agree with you that not having enough money is not the most valid excuse to not win the league but it is definitely a reason. I am sure you would agree with me on this. Yes, there are other ways to be successful, but with enough money, its just so much easier. I have never claimed that we don't have enough money to win the league. What I always say is we don't have enough money to compete on a level playing ground. It is definitely winnable, but it is going to be harder compared to our rivals. Aye, I do agree it is a factor. But some ppl keep harping on it and bringing it up to justify their losses that its becoming a lil bitter to swallow. The current City side is a good example of how money doesn't equal success. Spurs as well. Outspending their local rivals by a mile, yet they're the ones lingering in the bottom half fighting off relegation. And to compare the 90s team of MU to the current Liverpool crop is unfair. Although Ferguson did not outspend his rivals by a mile, he was definitely among the biggest spenders. Plus you had a lot of good players coming through the system at the same time, which is really rare and this process takes a while to achieve. Ferguson had 8-10 years to tweak his youth policy to bring about that golden generation and its only fair that Rafa is given the same amount of time if you are going to judge him based on the players that come through the ranks. And yes, GH does not count, our youth policy until then was not the best to say the least. I'll admit that. As for Arsenal, like I mentioned earlier, not having enough to spend is one of the factors. They managed to find a way to work around it. Kudos to them. Still does not take away the fact that financial muscle has huge implications on a team's title aspirations and performance. Yes, United benefited from the crop of players which came out from the academy. Our core then was built around players whom we've brought up. Nevilles, Butt, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham. But Fergie carefully picked them out when he joined the side and it certainly took some very good scouting skills to pinch talents from around the area. Giggs for example was signed under City's noses when he was 15, and has never looked back. |
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Feb 5 2009, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(nando @ Feb 5 2009, 10:01 AM) Your core was vital to success. But you needed the millions to surround your core with Rooney, Rio, Christiano and others. So its a milk + nice tea power = to nice teh tarik thingy... Yea true. But one can also argue that our wealth was built thanks to the success of our 90s team. Its like when a young businessman strikes gold with his small business, and proceeds to use his newly found fortune to purchase a larger restaurant/franchise to expand his operations. Okay, not exactly the best anecdote, but you get it.I am of the opinion that SAF IS the most vital ingredient to MU's success. But after that, i cant differentiate if its the core youth players OR the millions that contributed. |
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