Aye, I do agree it is a factor. But some ppl keep harping on it and bringing it up to justify their losses that its becoming a lil bitter to swallow. The current City side is a good example of how money doesn't equal success. Spurs as well. Outspending their local rivals by a mile, yet they're the ones lingering in the bottom half fighting off relegation.

Yes, United benefited from the crop of players which came out from the academy. Our core then was built around players whom we've brought up. Nevilles, Butt, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham. But Fergie carefully picked them out when he joined the side and it certainly took some very good scouting skills to pinch talents from around the area. Giggs for example was signed under City's noses when he was 15, and has never looked back.

Your core was vital to success. But you needed the millions to surround your core with Rooney, Rio, Christiano and others. So its a milk + nice tea power = to nice teh tarik thingy...
I am of the opinion that SAF IS the most vital ingredient to MU's success. But after that, i cant differentiate if its the core youth players OR the millions that contributed.

This post has been edited by nando: Feb 5 2009, 10:03 AM

lol.. i believe this thread is about excuses.. not into details about protections, neutral posts, etc etc. So let's stick to the topic shall we?

Yea true. But one can also argue that our wealth was built thanks to the success of our 90s team. Its like when a young businessman strikes gold with his small business, and proceeds to use his newly found fortune to purchase a larger restaurant/franchise to expand his operations. Okay, not exactly the best anecdote, but you get it.

The same could be said of you. I am under no obligation to be neutral and if my club is under attack, you can be sure I'll defend them IF I believe in their actions. As for your allegations of me never being neutral well... I see you suffer from selective memory. I call it as I see it. I cannot count the number of times I begrudgingly praised Man Utd. How about stating that I believe Ronaldo should win the Player of the Year Award ahead of Fernando Torres and Lionel Messi? What about posting that I like watching Arsenal play? Remember the post about "The Greatest Manager of Our Time" where I stated Fergie is my pick? Guess you don't recall any of those eh? Having said all that I'm not going to sit on the fence if I backed Rafa's retaliation to Fergie's comments that we would choke. Whether or not we did is irrelevant. Being the abrasive person that I am, I would have reacted in a similar manner. So what? I'm supposed to be a 'lalang' and not take a stance? If you think I post crap, don't read it. If you want to read it put up a better argument rather than make baseless allegations.

Is money imperative? I would say so but only when used wisely. I've stated before on the Liverpool thread that I hate it when Rafa keeps moaning about the lack of funds (can this be considered a neutral post?), ask any of the Liverpool posters here. I think that a club should find succes in spite of their shortcomings. It's what makes a manager great no? That he can win the league despite not having the same amount of resources as the other big clubs. Arsenal have won the league under Wenger and even went through and entire season unbeaten, and their record signing to date is Andrei Arshavin at a mere $15 million. Why they seem to have stutered is another matter altogether. Why we aren't as rich as Man Utd despite having dominated English football before is our own doing. We didn't have the same marketing foresight. Is lack of funds a reason? Yes. Should it be used as an excuse? No. I'm so fighting the urge to be biased now Thanks again for reading my crap.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 5 2009, 10:20 AM

"i am personally not prefer to say about that"

''The turning point of the game was the second yellow card for Lucas, I was not happy, but I do not want to say anything about the referee.''

Are RB moaning about bad referee decision? I thought they are not supposed to do that.. y cant he admit the player was out of position n need to make the tackle...

Think this thread has run out of the course..i only see both Man utd n liverpool fans slating each other try to find opposite manager moaning from 80's till date..

This post has been edited by Reddy818: Feb 5 2009, 10:46 AM

It happens in any thread but it can't be said it's unexpected. The point was to have generic excuses i.e. "it was the referee's fault" debunked. Managers have always blamed the officials at some point.

Yeah, the non-footballing management in MU did well to generate funds. But at the end of the day, one cannot run away from funds to build a successful club.

For someone who din watch the game but take it as a moan or complaint from Rafa, I find it funny.I mean is not surprising to see rival fans laughing at us.But before you laugh , ask yourself Did You watch the game?

Anyone who watched the game, should know the 1st yellow is never a yellow.Like I repeatedly mention, Lucas 1st yellow was nothing but ridiculous.Arteta fell on his own and kicked Lucas on the knee.The incident happen when the referee was facing the other side.When he turned around and saw Arteta on the ground, he gave Lucas a yellow.

And few days ago after the chelsea game, bunch of manu fans were complaining the red card cost the game.Same here.Lucas get a red that he dun deserve(at least in my opinion) and now, bunch of you were turning back on what you guys said on Monday? Or do you guys have this selective reading and believing habits I mentioned earlier? How is that a red card wont change the game? if it wont, why dont your team start with 10 in each and every match?

This post has been edited by solstice818: Feb 5 2009, 11:51 AM

Geee!!! brilliant!
I now got excuse not to post anything because of Liverpool's position is lower than MU.... brilliant, mate!



speaking of excuses, i'm always intrigued by coaches/management banning WAG from being near players during an important tournament..with the excuse/reason that bed activities degrades a player's performances...

If you have nothing constructive to contribute, just dont post.Just imagine if there are 100 other posters like you posted "let him be la...", where our discussion will be heading to?


Talking about cant accept the truth, here's one classic example.

If she can accept the truth that her manager gave bunch of lame excuses, she wont be posting in such a sarcastic way, no?

This post has been edited by solstice818: Feb 5 2009, 11:58 AM

For one club to be successful, the club must be self sufficient and with that you can spend the funds to improve the squad...

club that is not self sufficient will have problem when the rich owner lost interest for the club...

where are the funds come from for all the club will impact whether the club is call successful or not..

from report stated every transfer for liverpool come direct from the owner pockets, and with the credit crunch at US this is bad news for liverpool fans even chelsea also feeling the heat of credit crunch..they are not spending like they used to when roman arrived...

yes man utd spend alot on players for the past few years, but they have been winning trophies, sold out stadium, sponsors, merchandise to support the spending..

success and money come hand in hand... but u need success 1st to generate money.. those ppl who said lack of funds for a reason for not winning is because the club was not succesfull enough to generate the funds...

It seems like u need a reminder that 16m until 2007, 2008 and 2009 transfer yet to be included...We sold Keane back and spent 8m for his 6months.you guys spent 30m on berba...Well, from what I can see, that alone already add up erm....like 22m? And not to mention the signing of the youngster duo(Tosic and Ljacic), another £16.8m.

Riera 8m, Dossena 7m, Degen- free = 15m. That not even make up for the youngster duo's transfer fee

You will see how much if u included the recent transfer....

This post has been edited by solstice818: Feb 5 2009, 12:10 PM

The problem is that unlike back then, you have clubs that inherit a large wad of cash. It no longer becomes a level playing field when a mid-table side can suddenly afford to splurge on the world's top players. This wasn't so a decade ago.

what i am stating is the moan rafa make since this is a debunked thread.. am not analyzing the match each incident...

and the quote i put is refer to lucas second yellow not the 1st one..so why are u pointing on the 1st yellow

i shall quote again ''The turning point of the game was the second yellow card for Lucas, I was not happy, but I do not want to say anything about the referee.''

Why am I pointing at the 1st yellow? Simple. Will there be red if there is no yellow card on Lucas in the 1st place? No.

And so, if the referee's bad decision affected the game, will this consider as excuse? I dont think so.

Solstice, it's good to see that you have facts to back up your arguments but when you see statements like this:


you know you're hitting your head on the wall. Fact of the matter is that it wasn't Rafa's decision to buy Keane and yet, posters are trying to be sarcastic indicating that they think it was. When one tries to argue against fact, there is no way one will every concede.

Speaking of facts, din they (the man u fans) were talking about how Rafa came out with a lengthy list?

And Wan here said I shouldnt do any homework like Rafa did.

What I want to say here is...Just imagine if I dont have facts and din do some homework before posting up, I bet I will be gunned down by those manu supporters.

If I post without proper backup, they gonna say I accuse their manager or being bitter cos their manager is good in coming out with excuses like what my homework showed.

Anyway, they do like to contradict with their earlier statement , no?



The truth is it wasn't Rafa's decision to buy Keane.Take it or leave it.No one force you to believe though.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Feb 5 2009, 12:30 PM

I'm glad he made that comment though...