non of msian ipta medical degrees are recognised in oz/nz.....

non of ipts EXCEPT monash msia is recognised.......

note however, that having a recognised degree and the right to work are two separate issues........

the first is by regulatory bodies ie amc or nzmc........and the second is by immigration.......

ie, for any foreigner to be allowed to work, he must have a visa that allows him to stay there and work.....the usual visa is the permanent resident visa, but there are several other categories of work visas that may be granted.......

therefore, for fresh raduates of monash msia, they may get provisional registration with amc, but have no automatic right to work there......and based on current points requirements, will NOT have enough points to qualify for a pr visa........

there is the backdoor entry......sit for the qualification tests conducted by amc.......however, i am not sure what the restrictions are nowadays.....previously, one must be a 'landed immigrant' (ie already holds a pr visa) to be eligible to sit.......and one will not have enough points to apply for a pr unless one's degree is recognised......so it is catch 22......

i think people here needs to realise it is getting increasingly difficult to get cross country registration for doctors......the mushrooming of new med schools doesn't help, they will just NOT allow you to even sit, eg, aimst is NOT recognised at all by gmc for eligibility to sit for plab (the uk qualification exam)...........

in any case, why the obsession with 'work overseas'?.....local med schools are supposed to train doctors for msia........not oz.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 28 2009, 04:42 PM

don't do medicine if one wants to have a good chance of studying and working overseas.......developed countries are MOST strict about foreign doctors, compared to all other professions.....for obvious reasons.....

there are so many twinning programmes where one can get 1 or 2 years experience in oz, and they don't cost that much, as part of the programme is done locally.......

i was referring to non-medical courses.......eg, commerce, engineering, computing etc.......lots of twinning available......

get your priorities right.......you want to do medicine, or you want to study/work overseas?........

you can't do both if you have no money.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 28 2009, 08:28 PM

yes........

in fact some med school do not need biology, but require chemistry as a requisite.........

direct entry into uk med school is only marginally more expensive than through imu........and may be quite similar to newcastle msia.......

if getting a pr in oz is the intention, then graduating with an oz mbbs would be ideal..........in which case, sam/ausmat may be a more appropriate pathway.......

the main problem with stpm is, you will spend 2 years, and another year waiting to start uni in oz........your stpm results will come out in march/april, and you will need to wait till the following february before you can enter oz unis........all oz med schools have only one intake......in february.......and you need 3a's to have any realistic chance of direct entry........

people have got into imu medicine with this.........

people have got into imu dentistry with bbb...........

that cannot be right.......it should be out in next month..........

people drop out for many reasons.......and whatever reasons it is, it's bad for a country's healthcare manpower needs.........it cost a lot of money to train a doctor (and hence the high fees when fully charged), the later a student quits, the more money already spent and wasted.........

which is why well managed countries choose their med students carefully, one of the requirements being a low risk of the student quitting.......and the more matured the student, the less likely......which is why some countries have graduate entry med programmes......eg us and 1/2 of oz unis........

people loose interest, finds other things they rather do..........that's the usual reasons people in well managed countries drop out for........

the one reason people should NOT drop out for, is INABILITY to cope with the course, for it means poor selection process.........mediocre students who cannot withstand the rigors of the demanding course......

and guess what happens when a 3rd world med school is coupled with oecd clinical schools.......like imu.......a high drop out rate........

the other oddity in some countries (msia particularly, but also india) is people forced to do medicine by their parents........and some of this group will rebel by purposely flunking out, although they are intellectually able..........

as someone who has the rare privilege of experiencing med school both in msia and oz, perhaps you can share some of your observations with us, in the med student thread.........

because the most important criteria to enter ipts med schools is money.....no money, no talk lah......

that is why people with money but lousy results can still enter med schools.......

believe me, the 'promoter' will have seen MANY cases of very good students who have interest, got offered places, but failed to secure financing, and have to give up the offer (or even drop out of the course.....)

therefore, the most important thing is having the money to finish the course.....not your results.......

there is something wrong with the list.........the fees for uk is quoted as gbp9,900/year, and aud17k-22k ............that is incorrect........

uk fees should be between gbp18k-30k/year and oz fees aud 38k-44k/year.........

actually, the cheapest is still adelaide.........followed by newcastle........

if you cannot even score the minimum b4 for the math and sciences at a simple exam like spm, you are NOT adequate material for being a doctor, please choose another profession.........seriously, there are almost 8000 straight a's students this spm........that is MORE than enough to provide the potential candidates for all the places for medicine...........

there are a bit of allowances, so once added in, and minus the tax and epf, expect to take home 3+ to 4+k, depending on how many calls you have to do..........

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Added on March 13, 2010, 2:01 amhaving said what i did, one really should NOT be allowed to enter med school from spm..........so the pre-u is probably more important.......and yes, there is indeed still opportunity to redeem oneself.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 13 2010, 02:01 AM

it is not what YOU decide that matters.........

it is the respective countries' policy of whether your qualification is recognised, that matters........

go for it..........

spm is useless for imu, they will not bother to look at it..........you need a proper pre-u........

however for some places, they will gladly take you in with spm, if you got the dough........they may throw some 'foundation' course in for a few months to make it look less blatant........russia is well known for this........

that is more expensive than monash msia/imu-local/mmmc....

but may not be qualified enough to get in these 'reputable' med schools.......

fy1 and fy2 are the equivalents of the housemanship in msia......in fact, they started the 2 year housemanship first, and msia followed recently.........

that has NOTHING to do with postgraduate training........

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Added on March 22, 2010, 7:21 pmi said 'may'........i make no presumption or conclusion on any individuals, unless of course their spm/pre-u results are revealed........

getting into ipts med schools is easy, especially the newer ones.......the hardest to get in are monash and imu-pms, but even so, there are lots of people who failed to get direct entry into uk/oz who easily got into monash and imu.........so they are also 'easy' relatively.....

and being some scholars in the msian context does not necessarily mean good students.......it may surprise people to learn that the failures in the infamous eos2 and 3 of imu are mostly scholars..........

point is, and that's the fact i have always highlighted, msia does NOT select the best of it's youths, it's manpower, to become doctors........in direct contrast to the oecd countries.......


This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 22 2010, 07:21 PM