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post Feb 27 2009, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(KeithCheeFB @ Feb 23 2009, 08:59 PM)
hi~ i am goin to be one of the TOA student~
i am doin the degree programme in advertising graphic+ illustration~
do i nid to get a good pc? and also a DSLR?? or the school have partners selling them at lower price~

btw~ any advice on this course???

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Actually all these question you should have ask your lecturer instead after you're into the program. What if you stop halfway or something? I would say if you really need it and affordable then go ahead if not then just use the facilities provided by college but it'll be quite a hassle though. About PC you don't need an extreme one as you'll mostly be using Photoshop and Illustrator only don't think will involve any video work therefore a standard one will do (around 2k). DSLR depending on your outline course also depending on how much interest you show in photography.
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QUOTE(bluesky87 @ Feb 27 2009, 02:46 AM)
Actually all these question you should have ask your lecturer instead after you're into the program. What if you stop halfway or something? I would say if you really need it and affordable then go ahead if not then just use the facilities provided by college but it'll be quite a hassle though. About PC you don't need an extreme one as you'll mostly be using Photoshop and Illustrator only don't think will involve any video work therefore a standard one will do (around 2k). DSLR depending on your outline course also depending on how much interest you show in photography.
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True that, if the computer is able to run the programs decently without lags then it is good enough. However, I would actually prefer a bigger monitor if you're going to work with these programs as it would be easier if you have more viewing space on your monitor. biggrin.gif
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thxx~~ i cant reli wait to go to skul~ haha~


thxx for ur advice---


thxx

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post Mar 2 2009, 03:54 AM

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QUOTE(yongkailoon @ Feb 27 2009, 03:03 AM)
True that, if the computer is able to run the programs decently without lags then it is good enough. However, I would actually prefer a bigger monitor if you're going to work with these programs as it would be easier if you have more viewing space on your monitor. biggrin.gif
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Haha true also almost forget about that but IMO people will go for at least 20 inch nowadays? IMO 19 inch is good enough but of course the bigger the better especially if the program you use require dual screen (After Effects). Cheers wink.gif
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Hi, i just went to the Road Show in Penang yesterday. I am searching for a good suitable reasonable college/academy for art/design like you. I just want to share my story.

I got a huge headache while choosing one of the suitable college. Apparently, like you said ,i think TOA is too pricey but the weird thing is , i asked them yesterday , they said the whole diploma course only need like 50k++ for 3 years , as far as i heard, people said they usually need about 100k to complete the course , so i never want to go there since is so expensive but i don't know why they marketing assistant insisted only 50k++. (If its true , i might consider studying there) After all ,the 100k maybe included living expenses and all .BUT I NOT SURE.

LKW i won't think of it. Honestly, yesterday i have enquirer a few colleges like TOA ,Dasein, Pjcad , Alpha, Equator. I can't make up my mind yet cause there are lot of disadvantages and advantages for every college. But what's on my options NOW are Dasein and TOA. Other than that, i had been looking up on the internet for more colleges. I heard people said MIA is not bad. But cause i am not from KL , and my parents are busy on weekdays, i can't visit their campus yet. Visiting the campus is a MUST! Hopefully i can find a time to visit. smile.gif
After visiting, doing comparison, everything , i hope i can find one i want. ^^


P/S I heard Dasein marketing excustive said, they need us to have strong english speaking skills, so we can present our portfolio to the best. Portfolio is already a problem ( i scare i can't catch up) , speaking english even more problematic for me. I seriously need to improved ! So what i mean is , if Dasein need good speaking skills, TOA will be much more strict on this , right? GOSH!!
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QUOTE(Dolldoll @ Mar 2 2009, 11:34 AM)
Hi, i just went to the Road Show in Penang yesterday. I am searching for a good suitable reasonable college/academy for art/design like you. I just want to share my story.

I got a huge headache while choosing one of the suitable college. Apparently, like you said ,i think TOA is too pricey but the weird thing is , i asked them yesterday , they said the whole diploma course only need like 50k++ for 3 years , as far as i heard, people said they usually need about 100k to complete the course , so i never want to go there since is so expensive but i don't know why they marketing assistant insisted only 50k++. (If its true , i might consider studying there) After all ,the 100k maybe included living expenses and all .BUT I NOT SURE.

LKW i won't think of it.  Honestly, yesterday i have enquirer a few colleges like TOA ,Dasein, Pjcad , Alpha, Equator. I can't make up my mind yet cause there are lot of disadvantages and advantages for every college. But what's on my options NOW are  Dasein and TOA. Other than that, i had been looking up on the internet for more colleges. I heard people said MIA is not bad. But cause i am not from KL , and my parents are busy on weekdays, i can't visit their campus yet. Visiting the campus is a MUST! Hopefully i can find a time to visit.  smile.gif
After visiting, doing comparison, everything , i hope i can find one i want. ^^
P/S I heard Dasein marketing excustive said,  they need us to have strong english speaking skills, so we can present our portfolio to the best. Portfolio is already a problem ( i scare i can't catch up) , speaking english even more problematic for me. I seriously need to improved ! So what i mean is , if Dasein need good speaking skills, TOA will be much more strict on this , right? GOSH!!
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for most private uni / collage the study fee alone will be around 13-15k per year (equipment, exam fee, money spent for assignment are not included). living expenses is depend on the person's lifestyle, very hard to give u a proper figure. about english speaking skills, u can always train ur english during the 3 years study, try to mix around with some friendly english speaking friends and that will help a lot for your practice.
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QUOTE(bluesky87 @ Mar 2 2009, 03:54 AM)
Haha true also almost forget about that but IMO people will go for at least 20 inch nowadays? IMO 19 inch is good enough but of course the bigger the better especially if the program you use require dual screen (After Effects). Cheers  wink.gif
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Yes, 20" monitors are becoming a standard today especially those who work as designers. 20"-22" is somewhat recommended these days. smile.gif
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Go for dual monitor as for long term wise it is really advisable but please do more research before buying or you'll go wrong with both at once.
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QUOTE(bluesky87 @ Mar 2 2009, 06:01 PM)
Go for dual monitor as for long term wise it is really advisable but please do more research before buying or you'll go wrong with both at once.
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As for a student, I don't think the dual monitors is needed. Let's not get to far towards the professional designers, we're still talking about students here and it isn't practical for students to be getting dual monitors as they wouldn't be utilizing it. smile.gif
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QUOTE(yongkailoon @ Mar 2 2009, 06:50 PM)
As for a student, I don't think the dual monitors is needed. Let's not get to far towards the professional designers, we're still talking about students here and it isn't practical for students to be getting dual monitors as they wouldn't be utilizing it. smile.gif
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Ops sorry kind of taken away from the thread already but I guess there isn't any harm for future purpose but you've got your point bro nod.gif
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thank you guys for all ur advises..


actually ..


now i have narrowed down to a few colleges..

which are

pjcad, alpha, saito,or maybe dasein..


and i am really worried about the money u get as a designer..
gosh i think i hav a family to feed man ..
lol
i mean i should take care or my family when i have a job right?
if i can barely support myself how can i bring a little bread for my family ?
i cant really imagine get less than 2000 per month ..
=.=

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QUOTE(doubleu.why.ass @ Mar 3 2009, 12:16 AM)
thank you guys for all ur advises..
actually ..
now i have narrowed down to a few colleges..

which are

pjcad, alpha, saito,or maybe dasein..
and i am really worried about the money u get as a designer..
gosh i think i hav a family to feed man ..
lol
i mean i should take care or my family when i have a job right?
if i can barely support myself how can i bring a little bread for my family ?
i cant really imagine get less than  2000 per month ..
=.=
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Designers especially fresh grads will have to work hard to climb higher. From what I see these days, designers who really wants to earn additional income as their pay might not be very high will do some freelancing work. smile.gif
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tumpang thread.

I would like learn Designing, any short courses available ? any idea of any college at Selangor, KL area.

TQ
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QUOTE(doubleu.why.ass @ Dec 20 2008, 11:04 PM)
nope.. i din know abt MMU n i had no idea MMU offers such courses...

is it a good university?

im interested in the advertsing business btw. .


Added on December 20, 2008, 10:07 pm

hmm... the one academy is unaffordable for me or my family ..
thanks anyway
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go for IACT , 100% recommended if you're into advertising. visit 95% for short course =)


Added on March 5, 2009, 12:22 amOne of my best friend studied at pjcard and she became the best graphic design student at her college and was awarded a trip to HK last year ( that revealed how good her work is base on pjcard standard). Now she's working already and her pay is about thousand three. So you guess lah the assignments standard. I'm not saying the college is no good, I'm just sharing my friend's testimonial with you guys

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post Mar 5 2009, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(doubleu.why.ass @ Mar 3 2009, 12:16 AM)
thank you guys for all ur advises..
actually ..
now i have narrowed down to a few colleges..

which are

pjcad, alpha, saito,or maybe dasein..
and i am really worried about the money u get as a designer..
gosh i think i hav a family to feed man ..
lol
i mean i should take care or my family when i have a job right?
if i can barely support myself how can i bring a little bread for my family ?
i cant really imagine get less than  2000 per month ..
=.=
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I am from Saito College actually smile.gif If you're really on budget wise then this would be a wise choice and they are definitely up to standard. The main reason why I choose Saito is the duration of study which is the shortest among all, 2 1/2 years. As a designer, you will kick off with a reasonable price, definitely not low unless you're just a cert designer not skillful or independent designer. As the time flies and if you're really good enough, money will come don't worry but even if you've got a stable job in normal design firm, don't worry again as you won't be fired or so and you'll have your monthly income without worries. The keyword is whether you want to work for it or not and please if you're looking forward to be a 9am~5pm designer, I think you need to reconsider being a designer sweat.gif

QUOTE(yongkailoon @ Mar 3 2009, 12:43 PM)
Designers especially fresh grads will have to work hard to climb higher. From what I see these days, designers who really wants to earn additional income as their pay might not be very high will do some freelancing work. smile.gif
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This is one of the alternative but again if you're really good enough, sometimes you don't even bother about freelancing tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Iron_Gurl @ Mar 4 2009, 08:58 PM)
tumpang thread.

I would like learn Designing, any short courses available ? any idea of any college at Selangor, KL area.

TQ
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So far I don't know where else will have short courses available except for IACT which offers a part-time professional course which will be done at night (7pm). You can enquire with them on this. smile.gif
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QUOTE(llmaelynn87 @ Mar 5 2009, 12:49 AM)
go for IACT , 100% recommended if you're into advertising. visit 95% for short course =)


Added on March 5, 2009, 12:22 amOne of my best friend studied at pjcard and she became the best graphic design student at her college and was awarded a trip to HK last year ( that revealed how good her work is base on pjcard standard). Now she's working already and her pay is about thousand three. So you guess lah the assignments standard. I'm not saying the college is no good, I'm just sharing my friend's testimonial with you guys
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im sorry .. do u mean i should study graphic design in IACT or advertising course in IACT?
lol
sorry ..


so do u mean pjcad is not good?
lol
haha
but ur friend still got offered a trip to hk means she cant be that bad right?
right?

lol


Added on March 5, 2009, 5:21 pm
QUOTE(bluesky87 @ Mar 5 2009, 09:58 AM)
I am from Saito College actually  smile.gif  If you're really on budget wise then this would be a wise choice and they are definitely up to standard. The main reason why I choose Saito is the duration of study which is the shortest among all, 2 1/2 years. As a designer, you will kick off with a reasonable price, definitely not low unless you're just a cert designer not skillful or independent designer. As the time flies and if you're really good enough, money will come don't worry but even if you've got a stable job in normal design firm, don't worry again as you won't be fired or so and you'll have your monthly income without worries. The keyword is whether you want to work for it or not and please if you're looking forward to be a 9am~5pm designer, I think you need to reconsider being a designer  sweat.gif
This is one of the alternative but again if you're really good enough, sometimes you don't even bother about freelancing  tongue.gif
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oh i see...
i think most of the courses from other college are also around 2 1/2 years...

so are u working now or still studying ?

This post has been edited by doubleu.why.ass: Mar 5 2009, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(doubleu.why.ass @ Mar 5 2009, 05:17 PM)
oh i see...
i think most of the courses from other college are also around 2 1/2 years...

so are u working now or still studying ?
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Actually not really. Well at least three years ago most of the design college will offer a total of 3 years duration in order to complete a diploma course. I am currently working for one year plus already.
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QUOTE(bluesky87 @ Mar 5 2009, 07:03 PM)
Actually not really. Well at least three years ago most of the design college will offer a total of 3 years duration in order to complete a diploma course. I am currently working for one year plus already.
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oh i see..
do u mind if i ask u where you work or how much is ur monthly salary now?
its okay if u dun feel like answer me thou..
lol



well, my uncle told me that his company wll mostly hire students from TOA,MIA and Saito...

and saito offer a cheaper/cheapest course but im not sure abt the quality or whatever ..
blah.. im just very muchout of my mind right now ..
i see stars.... rclxub.gif
lol
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QUOTE(doubleu.why.ass @ Mar 3 2009, 12:16 AM)
thank you guys for all ur advises..
actually ..
now i have narrowed down to a few colleges..

which are

pjcad, alpha, saito,or maybe dasein..
and i am really worried about the money u get as a designer..
gosh i think i hav a family to feed man ..
lol
i mean i should take care or my family when i have a job right?
if i can barely support myself how can i bring a little bread for my family ?
i cant really imagine get less than  2000 per month ..
=.=
*
QUOTE(doubleu.why.ass @ Mar 5 2009, 07:19 PM)
oh i see..
do u mind if i ask u where you work or how much is ur monthly salary now?
its okay if u dun feel like answer me thou..
lol
well, my uncle told me that his company wll mostly hire students from TOA,MIA and Saito...

and saito offer a cheaper/cheapest course but im not sure abt the quality or whatever ..
blah.. im just very muchout of my mind right now ..
i see stars.... rclxub.gif
lol
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collage's reputation will help a bit, but the real strength of the designer still depend on the portfolio. even without a cert, with suitable portfolio i'm able to apply web designer job in singapore.

regarding salary, i started of as 1700+ as a fresh grad web designer and 2k+ after 2.5 years of working in internet marketing & advertising industry. with a same amount of hardwork... i would suggest to look for other job that can bring u much more money. even u r promoted to team leader / art director position, the no day no night no life working life will continue. personally i want to get rid of this lifestyle when i want to have family.


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