long run is how long? lol
i dunoe if i can become art director lol
me too.. half bucket.. lol

haha.. i fail my add maths in school too.

oh god.. im just gettting more n more confuse.. i seriously think that i should take something not so risky as design courses..
or maybe design management.. lol

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Added on January 13, 2009, 12:00 pmwow..

do u mind sharing ur story then? what u studied n i guess u are a designer now?
the pay is so low .. i dun understand why ppl still wan to pursue.. maybe for the job satisfactory?
but for someone not from a wealthy family(me) i guess its not a good choice.. or its a risky one..

i think u are talking about multimedia design isit?
im thinking graphic design woh.. or do u mean that multimedia design courses gets more money ? lol

im a science student in high school so i dun hav any skill like those student in art class... all i can do is just draw .. like those jap comic style..
but also not VERY VERY good that kinda stuff..

lol.. not a online game fan..but im still lazy to study .. sometimes i hate myself for that .. lol


ive considered MMU too,, but some lecturer told me MMU is more emphasized on multimedia design..


This post has been edited by doubleu.why.ass: Jan 13 2009, 12:00 PM

no offence but i hope things will be as good as u said till you finish the study. 1st year is all design foundation (lines, colour, shape, form etc). 2nd year onwards are software + photography. 3ds max, flash, maya and others. be honest, if u depend on the lecturer to lead you to become the guru in softwares, good luck man. i can remember the times where the student even need to teach back the tutor how to use photoshop. not all of them but most of them know nothing and only know how to talk crap. even in beta year 3d class, they just follow the slide n read (for my class's tutor). please, i dont pay u to read slide for me, i need ur skill, ur experience to guide me to do good work, not stand there n read article. especially when u choose ur major...hopefully u wont have the same experience as my year, all of us blur and dont know what the heck they teach. everything is a mess. luckily that time i'm able to have some better discussion with trustful tutor to lead us better (and i learn a lot) else really dont know how i'm gonna pass.

about photography, actually i appreciate the class (btw, photography class during my batch is 1 whole year, not 1 sem). i learn quite a lot from there, especially how to make the work more lively and presentable. as i know...u can buy 2nd hand camera from senior (a lot of them willing to sell) it is a must have thing. agree with you on the finding sources. online tutorial is one of the best thing ever on internet.

TS, about graphic design, be honest...it is kinda a basic for all sort of media design (video, 3d, web desgin, print design, advertising etc). by study graphic design alone is not enough. as i see the market, graphic design student will be accepted to be graphic designer (for prints, ads, banner, magazine editor etc), illustrator (storyboard artist, concept artist, fine art artist etc). there is not much room for you to go if u only aim as graphic designer. multimedia course like mmu offered is focus on media like animation, interactive application, web design, game, motion graphics, 3d where u will be trained to use ur graphic design skills in various media. your skills will be valuable when u can apply the creative idea and visual skill to the media. That gives a very solid reason for company to hire you (and pay you more) since your work will be able to directly contribute to the final deliverables (which is the final artwork, eg a complete workable website).

i'm a web designer for 2.5 years working in a singapore design agency (still a junior designer). u need to really love your job else you wont want to have this job with the salary u get as a degree holder.

For MMU, yes the cert may help a bit but personally whenever it comes to design, portfolio is very important and so is your presentation skill. With a good presentation skill you can sell your design easily (defend your design).

i like the word defend your design. when does defending crosses the rubicon and start becoming delusional. I saw a lot of young studenst these days who are so full of themsleves and they can't take a bit of critique. they realluy believe that their artwork is the bomb.

i persoanlly never tried to defend my design. i try to make them see it from MY POV.

as i see it...most student will be very proud of their work (which is what lecturer teached them). but the thing is, when client pay money to u, what is their goal and expectation? functionality and result is what they aim for, art doesnt mean much as long as dont ruin their cooperate image. thats y there are tons of hard sell crappy ads out there.

as long as u can present your work well, explained ur "value" to the interviewer, you can get the job

MIA-malaysian institute of art

RM 26k

thank u all for replying ....

really appreciate it..

i wonder if u guys feel as lost as i am when u were choosing design courses as ur tertiary education..
worrying about being nt as good as others..
worrying abot future carreer paths/options n of cos salary ..
dont really hav many good information on the salary thou .. lol


anyboy knw anyting about design management course?

i totally duno anything when i chose my course....i simply take only
no need to worry bout not being as good as others....coz there are lots of people better than u for sure...

today my lecturer told me that a good copywriter can earn as much as 20-30k per month...my lecturer say one lolz...(any working as copywriters here? care to confirm this?)

lulz...say yes to The One Academy
why? ....alot lenglui

lolz ts has a female tag la...nid a place where there is alot of leng chai...lkw for rich boys ..duno where got lotsa leng chai...

TOA got a lot of rich boy also... dont underestimate them... maybe next to sunway pyramid is an advantage? since it is so near to pub & nightlife... really need to resist temptation

dun forget pyramid itself... before class shopping, break time shopping, after class also shopping....everyday also shopping lolz

In general... i think:

1) TOA - good at producing nice visual (at least presentable), good art sense, some are quite creative, but not so good at presenting ideas when come to presentation part. Good place to go if you want to be designer, illustrator, animator, art director, multimedia designer.

2) MMU - Its a University, they do have proper structures for the syllabus. So you learn more than just technical skills. Apart from learning the creative subjects, you need to learn alot of other subjects such as Law, Management, IP, philosophy... etc. You have the chance to learn alot of different things a little here and there, but it is up to your interest and what direction you want to go.
Good place to go if you want to be an Account executive, Creative Director, Management Team, Art director, Producer, of course you can also become more into technical person such as designer, illustrator, animator, art director & etc. Its a self learning place, so it depends on your own initiative. There are good & bad students produced from here. If you are good you will be good other otherwise. Last but not least, there are some below standard lectures.... so up to you.

3) TAR - They have just introduced the Multimedia course few years ago. I did see lately there are some good works from them. Many ppl went there study mainly because the fee is more reasonable. Not so good at presenting idea and come out with the entire concept / strategy.

4) LKW - Fashion show place for rich students (Just general perception, does not apply to all students), somehow when come to presentation skill at bring out their ideas / concept, i think they are not bad.

may i know any graphic designer here have degree? locally or else where?

no better art academy.. is yourself..you must learn & learn to improve your creative mind.

i am learning myself now..=.=..its just that i wanna ask anybody did further their studies?

Some say experience is more important in our industry and some vice versa. In the end of the day I think no harm for both just depends on which path you choose. For me it's pretty simple, got extra money then go ahead for higher education. Having financial problem then gain working experience instead.

that's the spirit....

hi~ i am goin to be one of the TOA student~
i am doin the degree programme in advertising graphic+ illustration~
do i nid to get a good pc? and also a DSLR?? or the school have partners selling them at lower price~

btw~ any advice on this course???

thx~

yup...u should get a laptop(prefer) with a good gc for softwares like photoshop,etc...and dslr..u can try to borrow from the college...