cheapo what..

why not play lets spot the difference?


http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/chopard-...er-reserve-44mm

They don't even make an attempt to fake it! its just a usual open heart showing the escapement.

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Added on August 8, 2009, 7:26 pmU got alot to learn.. for someone rich and thinking of a Zenith.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 8 2009, 07:26 PM

around US$4K, don't expect any discount.
all the AD are listed on the panerai website.

This is a Panerai forum. plenty of info on prices.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/611718/

maybe, depending on what u are looking..
http://www.watchesonnet.com/All-Tissot-PR50.html
http://www.bluedial.com/tissot-watch.htm

arbutus don't know the brand, a quick google.. the impression it gave me is: nice design, china movements.

Timex - most of them are made in Philippines

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Added on August 11, 2009, 9:10 pmchances are U need to get it online.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 11 2009, 09:10 PM

Timex is design in USA.

arbutus is New York. most likely running on Hangzhou movement. brands like Chenevard, MZI, Theorema
http://www.arbutus-newyork.com/

arbutus AD
Goldstone Mkt, Sdn, Bhd
No. 7 Lorong 6E/91, Taman Shamalin, Perkasa 56100, K.L. Malaysia
el: (603) 9200-9516

an example of a hangzhou skeleton. some ppl got similar ones on ebay with jusy us$50.

fake Invicta!!! never heard of it.. no one will go the length to fake a cheapo Invicta.
BTW how can U tell its fake? Invicta is base in USA, parts come from Japan or Swiss and assembled I believe far east (china very likely)

with ~US$400 hmm... there are.. swiss, Japan, chinese, russian?

U can sell it thru those pre-own shops plenty in KL.
or on ebay
or on watch forum like watchuseek, timezone, pmwf etc. (on forum U can req to trade for something else, check their rules)

can't recommend, Never sell anything b4!
U got to go and and check them out yourself, to see who give U the best offer.

some pre-own dealers in KL
http://www.starhillgallery.com/muse-tenant.asp?tID=180

http://www.watcheroo.com/iwc-watches.php?country=27
This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 13 2009, 02:00 AM

u saw the prices in USD, shouldn't be freak out.. should get around 20% if so below is what U should expect.
lucky get 30%.. cheaper loh..

1st watch: T41131731 around RM 3500
2nd watch : T0356171105100 expect around Rm 1400

1st watch uses AUTOMATIC CHRONOGRAPH VALJOUX 7750, can get a Hamilton at half the price ayt Grey market.

pay that price might as well get a Bell & Ross Vintage 126 Chronograph MB
http://www.collectorstime.com/new-watches.php


This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 13 2009, 07:03 AM

amazon, overstock are good place to start
thewatchery, ashford (same supplier) also not place.

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Added on August 13, 2009, 9:24 pmMy fren own a similar watch, after about 3mth+ its losing alot more time! like 1-2mins every few hours when worn, off the wrist it perform a little better. lucky he paid US$50 for it. not really worth it.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 13 2009, 09:24 PM

how old is your 7s36a? on a Seiko or Seiko 5?
hmm... 77XX series maybe 1 of the best design Chrono Mech.
ETA 289X series maybe 1 of the best date/day mech used by many brands.

not tried any Asian 7750, QC not good, no regulated well etc.. even a Rolex can sucks.
anyway, perhaps a asian 6497 with swan neck is a safer bet on such watches.

I think Parnis and Marina Militare come from same source.

this seller is darn active on ebay then watchuseek, after ebay ban all the Panerai clones. Got this link from fren showing whats on sale.
not posting his email here not promoting clone, not even sure if seller is still active.
http://s525.photobucket.com/albums/cc336/r...rina%20Watches/

ppl selling Parnis are still so active! at US$100.. save more $$ ( http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=2439 ) can get IWI ( http://www.internationalwatchman.com ) for swiss parts.
http://www.manbushijie.com/products.asp?catid=319
http://www.pmwf.com/Phorum/read.php?10,100093,100093

those richer can get a debaufre better build, signed up the mailing list at times they do offer scratch and dent deals at 50% off.
most ppl that got on those deals report on damage on watch, many wonder where are the scratch and dent.. LOL
http://www.debaufre.com/

This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 13 2009, 11:02 PM

I wonder those Asian 7750 are from which factory.. Hangzhou or Seagull or some unknown factory. Difference source, different quality.
getting something Asian.. I think hard to gurantee anything.

the most affordable Val 7750 I guess is the Hamiltion watch I am wearing!
paid around RM$1800 for it then. Today maybe need to spend RM$2000 on grey market.

regarding your seiko, maybe time to get it clean and regulated esp its around 4yrs.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 13 2009, 11:11 PM

i though miyota supply plenty of quartz.. not much of mech.
china "begining" stage will last how many yrs to weed out the competitors?
from what i read, even establish brands like seagull produce a good number of Lemons.
of course u do find Lemons here and there with swiss brands as well. good service can exchange will be just fine for me.
guess it boils down where u buy your watch.

aren't 7750 movement day/date.. hmm.. guess they can removement parts to fit into their design like the eariler Panerai.

not many watches have tritium lah.. pay more for a Ball watch!
or get your local watchmaker to Mod it!

don't get what custom made from ebay lah.. wanna high end 7750 might as well get from Guinand (Helmun Sinn, yeh the person who created the famous Sinn).
http://www.guinand-watch.com/index.php?opt...&id=153&Itemid=

u gotto check out this review here, great pics!
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=158528
This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 14 2009, 12:38 AM

I wouldn't go that far to say Invicta is establish name.

quality do come with a cost, "Good things not Cheap, Cheap things not good".
taiwan? unlike japan loh... mix bucket.

i think U misunderstood my post. most 7750 do show day/date. IIRC the day wheel is there on the movement, manufacturers can choose to remove it. like eariler Panerai, use 775X family and remove all the chrono feature and day/date wheel!
ppl can choose to mod any base movement they want.

where to find cheap Tritium + 7750 besides Ball? Traser definate NO-NO.

if U can read chinese this is a nice read.
http://www.chronos.cn/archive/index.php

This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 14 2009, 12:59 AM

something wrong with your "nose"?
did I accidently step on tail or what?
didn't expect someone to read SO much in between the lines.
I guess its 1.30am late and can't think straight.

must be the Tritium and 775X that cause the problem.
the defination of affordable is not clearly define here. when U mentioned NOT anything under 5 digit? I take RM$9999 and lower are considered afforable. My bad if I jump the gun. Don't have to snap in a heart beat.

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Added on August 14, 2009, 7:55 amdon't worry, I have English for U.
http://www.iwmagazine.com/archives.cfm

This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 14 2009, 07:55 AM

here is list of watch service and repair shops. never used any of them. I too hope for inputs! a bump for u!
http://www.eguide.com.my/MY/SEARCH/Watch+R...+Kuala+Lumpur/1?

1st watch: WAV5152.FC6231 retail is at US$5900 or RM$20.7K, after the usual 20%, no way can buy at rm$7K
2nd watch: CV2A10.BA0796 retail at US$3700 or RM$13K, also not possible
3rd watch: CV2010.BA0786 retail at US$3200 or RM$11200, now getting warmer but still a little off.
4th watch: CAV515B.FC6231 I am sure not possible! est close to US$20K!!

If I am not wrong Tag Calibre 16 is base off 7750. kinda expensive. rather pay for a inhouse movement.

with this budget I would get a a chrono from grey market for the best deal. Mech watches if U do service them every 4-5yrs, they can last a lifetime!
(some Perrelet are inhouse movement these most likely heavily mod ETA or uising Soprod since they have bought this movement company, check out those blue screws too!)
- Perrelet Big Date Chronograph
- Perrelet Steel Big Date Chronograph



- Jean Richard Paramount Chrono Agusta Limited (using new JR1000 inhouse movement, no display back)
- Jean Richard Black JUVENTUS Bressel Chrono (using new JR1000 inhouse movement, no display back)
http://www.collectorstime.com/new-watches.php
http://www.visiotime.com/?page=Product&id=138

wanted a regular VALJOUX 7750 movement
- Sinn
- Fortis
- Ball (some Ball are using Soprod movements)
- http://www.guinand-watch.com/
- Epos
http://www.orolus.com/cgi-bin/ShoppingCart...=.&search_logo=
- Mido (can even get a COSC chrono watch!)
http://www.orolus.com/cgi-bin/ShoppingCart...=.&search_logo=


mod VALJOUX 775X
- Omega (only on grey market like Perrelet and Jean Richard)
- Longines
http://www.authenticwatches.com/longines-c...-l36614566.html
http://www.authenticwatches.com/longines-s...-l27054536.html
not getting Chrono
- BREITLING

This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 16 2009, 07:47 AM

what do u mean by a chronotimer? chronograph?
if so, at retail level around RM$4500, usual 20% around $3600.

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Added on August 15, 2009, 7:27 pmno idea where, U might wanna call places up.
anyone helping xjuen ?

the same watchmaker may be able to help U out too.

maybe can get tritium from seller like this to do relume.
http://www.unitednuclear.com/traser.htm

dangerous? can get this 36hrs.. man!
http://www.noctilumina.com/

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Added on August 15, 2009, 7:35 pmI don't think so. Gucci group is pretty big like LVMH, wouldn't scoop so low.
unlike Fossils movement maybe Japan/Swiss.
Gucci watches either ETA or Ronda. Thank God Gucci watches not priced like a Lexus many watches just under US$1K, so driving toyota no problem. when U say Lexus I think of watches priced above US$10K.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 16 2009, 05:48 AM

expensive! IIRC I saw someone post in a SG forum.. cost around SGD$200!
sorry, misunderstood U.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Aug 16 2009, 12:04 AM