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post Apr 15 2010, 10:47 PM

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post Apr 15 2010, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(nando @ Apr 15 2010, 10:10 PM)
i was quote 9.5k before...by one reputable shop in Bangsar...

try authentictimes...online dealer....seems reputable...
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authentictimes.com? u sure? i got this; "A community empowering women to live authentically through their 30's, 40's, 50's and beyond!" Authentictimes.com
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 15 2010, 10:54 PM)
authentictimes.com? u sure? i got this; "A community empowering women to live authentically through their 30's, 40's, 50's and beyond!" Authentictimes.com
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my bad:P ..should be authenticwatches.com

http://www.authenticwatches.com/


go for Omega...you wont regret...
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post Apr 15 2010, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(ck77 @ Apr 15 2010, 08:47 PM)
A great explanation by patryn as above.
http://www.collectorstime.com/omega.php#SeaMaster
Malaysia based grey dealer. I have not deal with them though.
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they only export. local customers will have to buy from local AD. i guess they have an agreement with local AD
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post Apr 15 2010, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 15 2010, 11:28 PM)
they only export. local customers will have to buy from local AD. i guess they have an agreement with local AD
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huh? strange...i almost got the JEan Richard from them 2 months ago...they were willing to sell to me....

perhaps try out the US based online dealers then...

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post Apr 15 2010, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 15 2010, 10:43 PM)
so guys, if u were in my shoes, which one would you give priority to? Doxa or Omega?
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omega. but more importantly..which watch speaks to you? put them on your wrist and find out.
though i prefer the classic SMP w/skeleton hands over the PO.. Daniel Craig still makes me cringe.. Pierce Brosnan thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Jason @ Apr 15 2010, 11:57 PM)
omega. but more importantly..which watch speaks to you? put them on your wrist and find out.
though i prefer the classic SMP w/skeleton hands over the PO..  Daniel Craig still makes me cringe.. Pierce Brosnan  thumbup.gif
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to me, the bestest James Bond has got to be Sean Connery! Brosnan is suave, but Craig is just plain masculine.

i prefer the previous SMP, with sword hands. IF, the sword hands are on the PO, fuiyoh.....

eventually, I want to own both. Doxa AND Omega both will be in my collection eventually. just that, at the moment, which one should i get first? Doxa is kind of a gamble. So far, i really like what i see in the pictures.

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Apr 16 2010, 12:17 AM
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can some1 tell me how much is swatch yas100g and fossil me1027 cost? any shop in kl selling it?
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post Apr 16 2010, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 15 2010, 07:46 PM)
won't the AR coating on the outside of the crystal get damaged in the long run if we don't have the protector?

i've been eyeing on a seamaster since high school, all because of james bond. budget increased, but fund still insufficient. i'm torn between doxa n omega. ok here's the situation:

Doxa
- rm5.6k
- only option is to buy online
- any warranty claim & servicing/regulating the first 2 years will have to be done in switzerland. must send the watch there
- limited production
- have never seen nor tried the actual watch
- ETA-2824-2 grade? elabore?
- 42.7mm slightly smaller than Sinn U1. i can't wear U1 as it is too big for my wrist
- read some complaints from doxa owners on WUS forum

Omega
- rm12k. insufficient fund (like red alert). will have to be patient and keep on saving
- can buy from local AD
- warranty claim & servicing can be done locally
- availability is not a problem. just that the price goes up and up and up
- co-axial technology, chronometer grade movement
- size 42mm, perfect for my wrist
- nothing but perfect reviews
generally its Elaboré grade for Doxa, Mido, Guinand.. eps watches that cost US$1K. under US$1K generally its Standard like my CW.
depending on brands some do a better job at regulating the movement. anyway standard and Elabore diff is how well its regulated, I think I can get a local watch maker to get it done nicely..
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Standard and Elaboré:
Mainspring - Nivaflex NO
Shock protection - Etachocs
Pallet stones - Polyrubies, Epilame-coated
Balance - Nickel gilt
Balance staff - Epilame coated
Collet - Nivatronic
Hairspring - Nivarox 2
Hairspring heat treatment - Etastable

Top and Chronometre:
Mainspring - NivaflexNM
Shock protection - Incabloc
Pallet stones - Red rubies, Epilame-coated
Balance - Glucydur gilt
Balance staff - Epilame coated
Collet - Nivatronic
Hairspring - Anachron
Hairspring heat treatment - Etastable

The performance differences are the big differences between the various grades: ("The limit values are subject to interpretation: 95% of the pieces delivered in a lot must be within the specified limits.")

Standard:
2 positions (CH, 6H)
daily rate: +/-12 sec/day
Maximum positional variation: 30 sec
Isochronism (between 0 and 24 hours): +/- 20 sec

Elaboré:
3 positions (CH, 6H, 9H)
daily rate: +/-7 sec/day
Maximum positional variation: 20 sec
Isochronism (between 0 and 24 hours): +/- 15 sec

Top:
5 positions (CH, FH, 6H, 9H, 3H)
daily rate: +/-4 sec/day
Maximum positional variation: 15 sec
Isochronism (between 0 and 24 hours): +/- 10 sec
limited cash.. only option is Doxa, unless u can find the cash to get the OMEGA b4 next increase else.
its hard to compare... Omega is 2X the price of Doxa. have the money of course Omega.
anyway both brands has a nice history. Doxa started back in 1889, Omega in 1848.

AR coating damage can always sent in to get it coated.
putting a plastic over it, it just dorky.. might as well don't wear and put it in a safe.


Added on April 16, 2010, 8:22 am
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 15 2010, 11:28 PM)
they only export. local customers will have to buy from local AD. i guess they have an agreement with local AD
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where did U get the info? can share?


Added on April 16, 2010, 8:24 am
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 15 2010, 08:51 PM)
without warranty huh? so the warranty is provided by the shop? kinda like underwater phones?
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U cannot say its like underwater phones... many of these phones can be stolen goods/export model only or those that "fell off a truck during shipping".
its unlike watches.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 16 2010, 08:39 AM
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post Apr 16 2010, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 16 2010, 12:16 AM)
to me, the bestest James Bond has got to be Sean Connery! Brosnan is suave, but Craig is just plain masculine.

i prefer the previous SMP, with sword hands. IF, the sword hands are on the PO, fuiyoh.....

eventually, I want to own both. Doxa AND Omega both will be in my collection eventually. just that, at the moment, which one should i get first? Doxa is kind of a gamble. So far, i really like what i see in the pictures.
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Since you already said you want both......and yet cant go out and get both.....


get a Doxa first. it looks like you're hooked on it. Price is reasonable and i think it has its own admirers. Sure, you read about problems in forums but hey.....what do you expect? Forums are places to find complaints, dissatisfactions, etc. Every brand also got lemons. Read forums on the IWCs, Rolex and even the great Sinn....you'll find all kinds of horror stories, now and then.... But then, that's what warranties are for. If you've been reading problems about certain Doxa pieces, i am sure you would have read users' experience about how Doxa handle complaints and watches being returned for checking/repair. If users are generally satisfied, i think its safe...

then how about the Omega? Well, save up..(since you're indicating you dont have the dough now...). If you prefer the sword handed Omega Sea master and really loves it, go for a pre-owned. Singapore and local ADs will have second hand....Dont go for the current arrow hands PO if you're not convinced with the design....(i am the other way round...i love the current POs..) ..
yeah...price will always go up and the issue is always can your savings rate compensate increasing prices? i think you can, if you know how to manage your funds well....

who knows...by the time you save up, Omegas would have released new Planet Oceans...with 8500 co-axial? (although it's gonna cost more for sure...)

anyway...fantastic review of both Seamasters here...http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=85408

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post Apr 16 2010, 10:36 AM

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Doxa diver watch design didn't really change much. very classical design 40yrs
http://www.thedoxabook.com/

I still like the classic Omega Seamaster, OP are nice today if they keep making big changes from time to time its resale value would be like TAG.
with that getting a Pre own is value for money. although some love the feeling of new fresh box.

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 16 2010, 12:16 AM)
to me, the bestest James Bond has got to be Sean Connery! Brosnan is suave, but Craig is just plain masculine.

i prefer the previous SMP, with sword hands. IF, the sword hands are on the PO, fuiyoh.....

eventually, I want to own both. Doxa AND Omega both will be in my collection eventually. just that, at the moment, which one should i get first? Doxa is kind of a gamble. So far, i really like what i see in the pictures.
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then why not get the SMP with sword hands over the PO? cheaper.. 10,800 before discount IIRC. this is with the same Co-Axial COSC movement. the only difference between the two is price and looks..
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 16 2010, 12:16 AM)
to me, the bestest James Bond has got to be Sean Connery! Brosnan is suave, but Craig is just plain masculine.

i prefer the previous SMP, with sword hands. IF, the sword hands are on the PO, fuiyoh.....

eventually, I want to own both. Doxa AND Omega both will be in my collection eventually. just that, at the moment, which one should i get first? Doxa is kind of a gamble. So far, i really like what i see in the pictures.
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Then you should get a submariner instead of PO tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ck77 @ Apr 16 2010, 02:40 PM)
Then you should get a submariner instead of PO  tongue.gif
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i would like to start a debate..

current Omega Seamaster Professional (Bond) vs current Rolex Submariner (Bond)
i feel that if the Omega had the crown and the Rolex brand on it, and sold at the same price as the Submariner, it would be the more popular piece as it is more refined.. case, co-axial movement, clasp.. I personally feel Submariner is so popular simply because it has the crown and the 5 letters.. R O L E X, the watch itself has never really changed at all since inception.

what's your take?

note: just sharing personal views, you may not agree, but we'll agree to disagree.

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QUOTE(Jason @ Apr 16 2010, 02:48 PM)
i would like to start a debate..

current Omega Seamaster Professional (Bond) vs current Rolex Submariner (Bond)
i feel that if the Omega had the crown and the Rolex brand on it, and sold at the same price as the Submariner, it would be the more popular piece as it is more refined.. case, co-axial movement, clasp.. I personally feel Submariner is so popular simply because it has the crown and the 5 letters.. R O L E X, the watch itself has never really changed at all since inception.

what's your take?

note: just sharing personal views, you may not agree, but we'll agree to disagree.
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I think is not a fair comparison as the bond submariner was the earlier version (ref 5513)

Submariner has been around since 50s and a proven in-house movement all these years. Seamaster Pro only released around 90s and no doubt the new co-axial is a good movement, but it is an mod ETA movement with co-axial escapement (calibre 2500 which based on ETA 2892), so it's not really consider a true in-house movement (correct me if am wrong)
http://www.omegarolex.com/details/02500.html


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QUOTE(ck77 @ Apr 16 2010, 02:40 PM)
Then you should get a submariner instead of PO  tongue.gif
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couldn't agree more! even the book it referred to Rolex Sub.
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Apr 16 2010, 08:20 AM)
generally its Elaboré grade for Doxa, Mido, Guinand.. eps watches that cost US$1K. under US$1K generally its Standard like my CW.
depending on brands some do a better job at regulating the movement. anyway standard and Elabore diff is how well its regulated, I think I can get a local watch maker to get it done nicely..
limited cash.. only option is Doxa, unless u can find the cash to get the OMEGA b4 next increase else.
its hard to compare... Omega is 2X the price of Doxa. have the money of course Omega.
anyway both brands has a nice history. Doxa started back in 1889, Omega in 1848.

AR coating damage can always sent in to get it coated.
putting a plastic over it, it just dorky.. might as well don't wear and put it in a safe.


Added on April 16, 2010, 8:22 am
where did U get the info? can share?


Added on April 16, 2010, 8:24 am
U cannot say its like underwater phones... many of these phones can be stolen goods/export model only or those that "fell off a truck during shipping".
its unlike watches.
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true, if too afraid of scratches, might as well don't wear them. apart from how well elabore movements are regulated, correct me if i'm wrong, i thought they decorate it and put extra jewels to make it last longer?

i sent an email to the collectorstime owner asking for a quotation on the PO. i told him where i'm from. he replied saying that they only export.


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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 16 2010, 07:11 PM)
true, if too afraid of scratches, might as well don't wear them. apart from how well elabore movements are regulated, correct me if i'm wrong, i thought they decorate it and put extra jewels to make it last longer?

i sent an email to the collectorstime owner asking for a quotation on the PO. i told him where i'm from. he replied saying that they only export.
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 16 2010, 07:11 PM)
true, if too afraid of scratches, might as well don't wear them. apart from how well elabore movements are regulated, correct me if i'm wrong, i thought they decorate it and put extra jewels to make it last longer?

i sent an email to the collectorstime owner asking for a quotation on the PO. i told him where i'm from. he replied saying that they only export.
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no extra jewels.
only decorations and regulated.

no matter which grade U get, U'll get the same number of jewels. The diff are the spring, balance, shock protection
http://www.eta.ch/d/produkte/Mecaline/pdf/..._decors_eta.pdf

a nice chart I found
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=323391
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QUOTE(nando @ Apr 16 2010, 08:59 AM)
Since you already said you want both......and yet cant go out and get both.....
get a Doxa first.  it looks like you're hooked on it.  Price is reasonable and i think it has its own admirers.  Sure, you read about problems in forums but hey.....what do you expect? Forums are places to find complaints, dissatisfactions, etc. Every brand also got lemons.  Read forums on the IWCs, Rolex and even the great Sinn....you'll find all kinds of horror stories, now and then.... But then, that's what warranties are for.  If you've been reading problems about certain Doxa pieces, i am sure you would have read users' experience about how Doxa handle complaints and watches being returned for checking/repair.  If users are generally satisfied, i think its safe...

then how about the Omega? Well, save up..(since you're indicating you dont have the dough now...).  If you prefer the sword handed Omega Sea master and really loves it, go for a pre-owned.  Singapore and local ADs will have second hand....Dont go for the current arrow hands PO if you're not convinced with the design....(i am the other way round...i love the current POs..) ..
yeah...price will always go up and the issue is always can your savings rate compensate increasing prices? i think you can, if you know how to manage your funds well....
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anybody planning on robbing a bank? count me in! yeah i guess u r right. forums are where rants are posted, and no brands are perfect.


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