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kmarc
post Dec 17 2008, 06:50 AM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Dec 17 2008, 04:42 AM)
Fed Cuts Key Interest Rate To Between Zero and 0.25% ( http://www.cnbc.com/id/28254875 )

DOW 8912.59 348.06 +4.06%

So today, KLSE gonna shoot like a rocket ???????

It seems like US has tried whatever they can to rescue.................. time to bargain hunting again  rclxms.gif
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Damn! My reload is only coming tomorrow! doh.gif

Hope KLSE won't be so detached from the Dow again.....

Hmmmm..... will GAMUDA's stocks fall? hmm.gif http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

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QUOTE(verbatim @ Dec 17 2008, 08:32 AM)
kmarc, r u working with the Government? Tmrw is the 2nd payment of bonus for civil servant. thumbup.gif
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Yup. Me poor government servant. smile.gif Tomorrow get bonus! rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 17 2008, 11:18 AM)
uchitect going to be 1 today if CI dont drop
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Haiyaa.... don't go up so fast ler.... wanna get some more.....
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 17 2008, 11:45 AM)
depend on wat level mah, how to say poor. banyak lubang wat!  brows.gif
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Government servant relatively poorer compared to those in the private sectors lor....

So, what counters are you guys aiming for today?

Woo hoo! SIME in going up... think I hold on to my 500 shares a bit longer and sell off at a higher price! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 17 2008, 11:50 AM)
dun worry lah sime is back by ci. expect 6. u only buy 500 units or with capital of about rm2600?  ohmy.gif
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500 units @ RM5.00 (RM2515 including brokerage fees)..... wink.gif

Wanted to buy more but no bullets sad.gif

Do you guys follow PARKSON? Really can goreng...... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 17 2008, 11:56 AM)
ic. if i am u i will put all the telur at one bucket. and not 1 telur at 1 bucket and ......burn-out  sweat.gif

i read the report said packson target prices is between 3.5 - 4, so better dun touch 1st.  biggrin.gif
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Cannot la.... wait the bucket sink then the telur become rebus.... sweat.gif

Oopsss... have to go back to work.... wink.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 17 2008, 08:41 PM)
10 years later, in 2018, we will look back at the historic price,
and we'll start the conversation all over again...

"whoa IOI at 3.30 only, why i didnt buy!",  and imagine by then, maybe IOI stays at 15.00 already tongue.gif
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Frankly speaking, I WAS looking at long-term investment. Had to change my plans due to the prediction that KLSE will create a new bottom in Q2-Q3 '09. Will only buy long-term stocks once I see what happens in Q2-Q3 '09. (Ya ya, I know. I have repeated this many times..... just want forumers to be aware of this prediction as it would be painful if this prediction came true..... wink.gif which I think is really REALLY possible)

Anybody targeting LCL? Predicted to get maximal capital gain (like KNM)...... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Dec 17 2008, 10:04 PM)
actually what points to new low at 2Q 2009? no proof also.....
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Errr.... the world market is the proof.... tongue.gif Bear market predicted for at least another 6 months to 1 year?

Anyway, it is a prediction from some research houses.... wink.gif

QUOTE(kb2005 @ Dec 17 2008, 10:05 PM)
For long term, which counter you're aiming ?
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Haven't really decided yet, as it would also depend on whether their prices come down or not.... some counters are like BTOTO, DIGI, IOICORP, YTLPOWER, GAMUDA, CARLSBERG, JTINTER, PBBANK.....
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 17 2008, 10:19 PM)
If everyone prediction is right (Q2'09), now already a good time to start investing for long term, as market always behave way off people expected.

The problem I can see currently is not when is the bottom, surely it will come or already happening, no one knows, the main issue how long the slowdown or recession is going to drag on and severity of it.

If one sees longer term future is bright and economy will recover, then it makes not much different to invest let say KLCI at 850 or 800, ot 750, as if it able to surge to 1,200 or higher in longer future time. You don't time exactly for long term investment, you buy around that low level which is very very good enough already.
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I guess that's true in terms of long-term investment.

However, I want to maximise my returns blush.gif Sell off when rally (i.e. Q1 '09), then buy on a new bottom (Q2-Q3 '09).... I understand nobody knows the top and the bottom..... guess it is wishful thinking on my part but it won't hurt to try.... icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 17 2008, 11:24 PM)
Whenever some try to think of maximise their return rate by in and out too often, (99%) it will backfire. Market won't wait for you, you won't able to time correctly the market.
What if you sell of then market still keep on rallying? Remember when market really turn, it really turn, won't look back anymore.

Not to say it can't, but just from experience, don't try too hard to time the market, it won't work most of the time, or most of the time wasting your effort and energy only. No offence, just based on experience and seeing lot of people doing it while not actually yielding anything out of it. It works perfectly in theory, practically, it is not as workable or as easy as one taught.
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Yeah, I guess that's true too.

However ( biggrin.gif ), looking at the global recession and the KLSE 98-99 charts, it is probably unlikely for KLSE to rally much in '09.... I still believe that it will drop after Q1.

Anyway, what is your strategy for 2009? hmm.gif

QUOTE(omores @ Dec 18 2008, 04:12 AM)
Haha, I dunno about gorenging - it's more of a slow and steady rise kind of stock. I think its a good stock which is undervalued now. 90% of Parkson's revenue is from China - I've lived there for 2 years, and I've seen how the Chinese people shop. I remember in 2007 when I was in China, there was a jewellery shop in Shanghai which made RMB1 million in one day during CNY and its only one shoplot in size. Very impressive. Also in Nov 2008, retail sales in China went up another 20.8%. Of course it wasn't as high as October sales which was a 22% increase, but still an increase no less. Also, property sales in Beijing and Shanghai rose in November after being stagnant in the previous few months. Apartment sales climbed 52.4 percent in Beijing in October, while Shanghai grew 41.98 percent, according to official figures.  rclxms.gif

I bought 3k units when it was 3.50 with the intention to sell after CNY. The when it dropped to 3.34, I bought another 3k units. Now its 3.78!  rclxm9.gif Already I've earned 10%! I should have bought more when it went down to 3.30 as there were rumours floating around that the Chinese gov might increase the people's salary. So regret now as i used up my funds to buy lots of Resorts and some of KNM. But I'm gonna pick more up at 3.62 tomorrow!  icon_idea.gif

Giordano has stopped all expansion in HK but still opening stores in China there. LV is going in with another big store. Walmart is also expanding now. There are some other foreign retailing companies that intend to open there in 2009 and 2010. So I think they still see the potential for retail in China.

On the con side, there has been some protests by factory workers that have lost their jobs due to factories closing down in the Guangdong province. There might be a further increase of unemployment. Hopefully this will be contained at below 5% in the future, as the massive stimulus funds starts trickling down as implementation begins. I have massive confidence in the Chinese gov, so I could be biased. So I think you should make your decision after proper research.
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Hey, thx for the info. Really informative. thumbup.gif

If the price of PARKSON was lower, I would have grabbed some. I think it is a bit too high now...... Same with GAMUDA....

Aikesss!!! Look at IOICORP in this news : http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...s/pmal/Article/

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cry.gif cry.gif I'm too late..... my reload not in yet and the rally has begun.... sad.gif cry.gif sad.gif mad.gif
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QUOTE(speedguy10 @ Dec 18 2008, 04:21 PM)
Anyone is eyeing on Airasia?
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Nope. Why do you want AIRASIA? Hugh debt, making losses last quarter and doesn't give any dividends.... there are better counters compared to AIRASIA.... anyway, that's what I think.... wink.gif Who knows what the future will be like....

SIME at 5.700 thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Junior83 @ Dec 18 2008, 04:58 PM)
880 jo,  rclxms.gif

if tonight got good rumour, then tmr KLCI will cont to north  rclxm9.gif
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So sad.... so sad.... I missed the 2nd boat... sad.gif ( laugh.gif )

Two other news to wait for... rate cut by Bank of Japan and bailout of the big 3..... should sustain the rally? hmm.gif

IOICORP is just weird... I'm not touching it for whatever reason....

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 18 2008, 06:40 PM)
What happened to resorts?  ohmy.gif almost RM 2.00  sweat.gif
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Where got? It's 2.22 (+0.05).....
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Anybody has any opinion on whether SIME's proposal to take over IJN is considered as good news or bad news? hmm.gif

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...3355&sec=nation

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Dec 19 2008, 12:36 AM)
You still have Zelan.

CIMB and Jupiter have call buy on Zelan today

CIMB TP -  0.93

But you have alot other counter stock as well rite? Profit today goo?

I'm holding tight to my Zelan. Hope it will reach 0.9 and above.
More profit to come hopefully. icon_idea.gif

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I'm only holding small amounts of shares for each counter at the moment - KINSTEL, RESORT, KNM, SIME, ZELAN and UCHITEC.... smile.gif

So far, only SIME, ZELAN and UCHITEC are in the green...... wink.gif

My reload suppose to come yesterday but you know la, government efficiency.... doh.gif can only get it probably by next week... by that time, I'm probably too late... sad.gif

Yawn..... sleeping time! rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 19 2008, 09:56 AM)
this is bad news actually for Rakyat. they already got medical hospital (still not the first class standard lah by medication and i think pantai hospital is better), but still want the ijn, there greedy, then i must fear now.
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Shucks.... should have sold my SIME yesterday... today drop -0.20.... doh.gif

Looks like another boring day... yawn.gif
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Hmmm.... auto bailout of the Big 3 approved..... BOJ also cut their rates..... Rally on Monday? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Dec 20 2008, 10:10 AM)
Plan to buy penny stocks or blue chip stocks?

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...08&sec=business
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Both! tongue.gif

Any tips from your remisier? My reload just came today rclxms.gif

Anybody interested in ALAM MARITIM? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Dec 20 2008, 04:46 PM)
Wa.. how much is your reload?
My ammo reload only comes end of Jan09. Just got my year end bonus .. cant buy much stocks also with it.

I bought 20000 unit of Zelan last week. Average price now is 0.788 unrealized profit now is double from previous week when i was at SG.
About 10% unrealized profit for my capital investment in this counter icon_rolleyes.gif
I noticed strong buy at 0.84 for Zelan counters, feel it have good chance to reach 0.90.

Recommendation? I already suggested earlier to monitor these few counters like Zelan, MPHB and Lionind few weeks ago.

MPHB shoot up to 1.14 yesterday n closed at 1.11. About 10% up from RM1.02. I already told earlier to monitor this share..  pump in 100K can get about 10K liao.  drool.gif

Lionind also went up ... hitting 0.73. i bought some at 0.655 earlier sold at 0.70 swap to buy Zelan. icon_idea.gif

Now i concerntrate on Zelan n Resorts.
Resorts still under selling pressure, once selling pressure over very good chance to go up. 

Oil price keep dropping.. think maybe play abit if KNM drop below or close to 0.40.
Dialog also seems have good potential.

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http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...43&sec=business

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...91&sec=business
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Yeah, I couldn't get those stocks as I ran out of bullets..... my reload not much la.... definitely not enough to buy 20000 units of ZELAN!! blush.gif

I see..... hmmm.... resort already going up, wanted to get more when it was <2.20 but again, no bullets....

Any info on LCL?... looks like most analyst are quite upbeat with this company : http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...52&sec=business

And looking at the stock price, it has dropped so much as is still dropping!!! With other stocks on the way up, I'm thinking of dumping my reload into this one..... hmm.gif

TA securities listed LCL as the number 1 value picks, with a potential capital gain of almost 300%! drool.gif

Anyway, my reload came a bit too late (and it's only half the amount!). I feel that I have missed the 2nd boat (but I think I caught the bottom! icon_idea.gif) and it is more difficult for me to pick and choose the counters as prices are going up...... sad.gif

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Dec 20 2008, 10:26 PM)
Ya.. i miss out the YTLPowr-Wb also in my watchlist stated previously bfr it shoot up.  tongue.gif

LCL? I never heard tat counter. Since you say few analyst give buy call on this counter, it should be quite good.  hmm.gif

I chk in OSK, LCL

NTA is  0.91.
PE about 5
Dividen - 0.10 sen per yr

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Foreign shareholder aboutt 20-25%

LCL remind me abit of Ajiya, one of the counters recommended to buy by research house and its price shoot from 1.20 to 1.75 ! I bought Ajiya last year around 1.30+ and sold it off at 1.50+
but due to its unpopularity for retailers and fund invesment manager, when market start to weak Ajiya price keep drop and hard to rise up.

LCL have bigger market biz exposure in Dubai, maybe its a good stock for mid/long term play.

Another stock i put in my lower lvl watchlist is OSKProp

OSKProp have some movement last week, share buy back start abit ady since 10 Dec 08..vol incease 10X - 20X. This counter is cheap around 0.30 and have potential to make profit.
Maybe wont shoot up so fast as market still not very strong but in mid/long term play should see some profit.

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Damn! Your OSK database is sooooo good! My maybank2u can't even come close!!! doh.gif

Thx for the link and info! thumbup.gif BTW, how to open OSK account? drool.gif

Wow! From the files you posted, LCL projected DY is almost 15% (FY09)!!! drool.gif (Oopss... 2nd report is only 8.2%)

Anyway, some info about RESORT.
- One of the Top Picks from TA securities - target price (TP) RM3.60
- BNPP has a "hold" on RESORT, TP RM 2.51, DY for FY09 is only 2.1%
- Credit suisse has a "Underperform" on RESORT, TP of RM1.80!!!

Here's a quote from them :
"We have an UNDERPERFORM rating on Resorts because of
corporate governance concerns, following its recent related party
transaction. Whilst the deal was relatively small in value at US$69 mn,
its does raise question marks on how the rest of its cashpile (in excess
of US$1 bn) will be spent. If Resorts were to trade at its historical P/B
trough of 0.9x, this implies a share price of RM1.45, which is 33%
below the current level. Resorts foreign shareholdings is also relatively
high at 36%."

Really makes me confused regarding RESORT..... anyway, I'm already holding 2000 shares of RESORT so I don't think I want to buy anymore of this stocks..... smile.gif

OSKprop huh? Will look into it.....

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