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post Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 04:17 PM)
You still have the shares, just it no longer listed and tradable in the stock exchange.

But delisted share as good as toilet paper.
Just like you have something but cannot be sold, then how much should it worth?
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like my wembley and YCS... as good as gone.. toilet paper.... even worse cos i cant even use it as a toilet paper...
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post Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM

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Hi guys, my first sales at the T-O price.

I Q my Zelan at 0.81,
The T-O price is at 0.82

I check the sold history, it doesn't show 0.81 transactions.
Only 1 HUGE 3500 lots transaction at 0.82

So was my zelan sold at 0.81 or 0.82??


Added on December 10, 2008, 4:55 pmWoot, I checked the transaction details, it says 0.82?
True?

This post has been edited by eltaria: Dec 10 2008, 04:55 PM
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post Dec 10 2008, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM)
Hi guys, my first sales at the T-O price.

I Q my Zelan at 0.81,
The T-O price is at 0.82

I check the sold history, it doesn't show 0.81 transactions.
Only 1 HUGE 3500 lots transaction at 0.82

So was my zelan sold at 0.81 or 0.82??
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You get buyer price, earn more.

This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM
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post Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM)
Hi guys, my first sales at the T-O price.

I Q my Zelan at 0.81,
The T-O price is at 0.82

I check the sold history, it doesn't show 0.81 transactions.
Only 1 HUGE 3500 lots transaction at 0.82

So was my zelan sold at 0.81 or 0.82??
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wat time u queue at 0.81?
wat time u see the 0.82 transaction?
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post Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM

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Added on December 10, 2008, 4:56 pmI Q at 0.81 after lunch... the details of the transaction says as above..

16:50 Order matched. [5000] Shares, Price [0.82], Terminal ID [xxx], Order No [xxxxxxx] Seq No [xxxxx].

If your Q price is lower than the T-O price, it'll upgrade it to the T-O price?

This post has been edited by eltaria: Dec 10 2008, 04:58 PM
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post Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(verbatim @ Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM)
like my wembley and YCS... as good as gone.. toilet paper.... even worse cos i cant even use it as a toilet paper...
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mind to share wat acttly happen wit ur share & company
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post Dec 10 2008, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM)
Hi guys, my first sales at the T-O price.

I Q my Zelan at 0.81,
The T-O price is at 0.82

I check the sold history, it doesn't show 0.81 transactions.
Only 1 HUGE 3500 lots transaction at 0.82

So was my zelan sold at 0.81 or 0.82??


Added on December 10, 2008, 4:55 pmWoot, I checked the transaction details, it says 0.82?
True?
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yes should be that way... when someone whacks big quantity, it get done higher... check with ur dealer or remisier.. lucky u if its done at 82


Added on December 10, 2008, 4:59 pm
QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM)
mind to share wat acttly happen wit ur share & company
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both the mangkuk companies are gone.. delisted... but i do receive annual reports from wembley.. YCS, no idea at all...

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QUOTE(sabrateur @ Dec 10 2008, 04:55 PM)
Newly released ASM funds entering the market today issit?
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I also wondering why the bull suddenly come today. Does any1 know why the sudden rally?
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 10 2008, 05:00 PM)
I also wondering why the bull suddenly come today. Does any1 know why the sudden rally?
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omg! you call this a rally? doh.gif
if rally, i jump in oredi.
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM)

Added on December 10, 2008, 4:56 pmI Q at 0.81 after lunch... the details of the transaction says as above..

16:50 Order matched. [5000] Shares, Price [0.82], Terminal ID [xxx], Order No [xxxxxxx] Seq No [xxxxx].

If your Q price is lower than the T-O price, it'll upgrade it to the T-O price?
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If matched before 4.45pm,then it would be at 81 sen.in your case,matched at 4.50 meaning at the TCP(theoretical closing price) of 82 sen,so you got matched at 82 sen.

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QUOTE(verbatim @ Dec 10 2008, 04:57 PM)
yes should be that way... when someone whacks big quantity, it get done higher... check with ur dealer or remisier.. lucky u if its done at 82


Added on December 10, 2008, 4:59 pm
both the mangkuk companies are gone.. delisted... but i do receive annual reports from wembley.. YCS, no idea at all...
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You still get AR from them? How about the profits, if they're still making a profit, do you get a piece of the pie?


Added on December 10, 2008, 5:11 pm
QUOTE(lklatmy @ Dec 10 2008, 05:08 PM)
If matched before 4.45pm,then it would be at 81 sen.in your case,matched at 4.50 meaning at the TCP(theoretical closing price) of 82 sen,so you got matched at 82 sen.
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Interesting, thanks... this is like a repeat of the 15 minute zelan rush last week or two ago...
last 15 minutes sudden boost to 0.88/9?....

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 04:49 PM)
but majority big corp are listed company leh.
perhaps if ur company not listed ppl don't know imo.
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Yes, because when the company become bigger, it makes sense to get cheap capital from the market investors through listing, also risk of company can be spreaded out.

But listing is not about making company to be known, making business doesn't need to be well known to the public.
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post Dec 10 2008, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 02:04 PM)
Same one lah,

You buy 1 lots (x100) BAT share at 44.00 = RM4k, commission Rm28
You buy 100 lots ABC penny stock of 0.40 = RM4k, commission Rm28.

Some may argue from 0.40 to 0.50 is easy but for a stock to climb from 44.00 to 50.00 is equivalent easy as well.

In fact, for 44.00 to climb to 50.00 it can be easier than 0.40 to 0.50 because high price stocks, there are not many retailers around which potential being seller to resist for the upside.
But for 0.40 to surge, you need massive volume of buyers because there are plenty of sellers waiting on upside. How often to see selller Q in those penny stock with 10K,20k,30 lots but for a stock of 44.00, you most probably see a few ten lots up to 50 to 100 lots only on the seller side.

It is basically not much difference actually, just people mindset tend to think it is "cheap".

Just like people say Resort is cheap now with 2.10, but if without split, it is 10.50, then people won't say it is cheap anymore but actual fact both are same.
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hi mr cherroy refer back to this thread u posted, after all I don't fully agree (bold sentence).
to buy more than 1 lot it better than own 1 lot. basically its strategy rather than 'Cheap'.

1lot of BAT @ 44.00 shld be 4400 sharp
while to buy 100 lots of penny stock not necessarily @ 0.40 as share price is fluctuate in a single day.
if u buy separately session in a single day u may by chance get 100 lots of abc stock @ avg price less than 0.40 (let say 0.38).

e.g 1 lot BAT @ 44.00 = 4400 + 28 + 5 + 1.32 = 4434.32
115 lots ABC @ 0.38 = 4370 + 28 + 5 + 1.31 = 4404.31

44.oo's 10% is 4.400 ; 48.400 x 1lot = 4840 - 28 - 5 - 1.45 - 4034.32 = 771.23
00.38's 10% is 0.038 : 0.418 x 115lots = 4807 - 28 - 5 - 1.44 - 3833.14 = 939.42

for a stock at 44.00 stock to match penny stock's return it must rise +- 15% which is 5.00-6.00 wow
for penny stock as u mention nit huge volume of buyer to surge, just few cents its possible (e.g. PA stock) big player + small player oso
joining the trade, meanwhile stock valued @ 44.00 I believe not much player there.
what if one day 1 day BAT goes pte like MAXIS. then 1 lot = 4840 gone or if one day my abc goes pte let say i just buy 10 lots only = 380.
which one higher risk?

sry just my humble opinion. this is my strategy of trade

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 10 2008, 01:17 PM)
me have PBBANK.

and it is going to announce dividends in the upcoming Jan 09 biggrin.gif
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drool.gif drool.gif Please please price drop a bit so that I can buy cheaper..... then can shoot up as much as it wants! biggrin.gif
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post Dec 10 2008, 08:34 PM

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investors will re-focus on the economic data.
i dont think the rally can sustain.

catalyst: Christmas sales ? 2009 strategy , asset allocation ?


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post Dec 10 2008, 08:47 PM

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I hope it's gonna rally until Chinese New Year!
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 10 2008, 09:47 PM)
I hope it's gonna rally until Chinese New Year!
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Don think so. Bear in mind now is recession period ok..As long as economy don have any sign of recovery basically the stock market will not keep on rising....

A common mistake speculator made is they set themselves a target time to buy and sell....

Instead a proper way of trading or investing is set a target price to buy and sell not the time

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 07:09 PM)
hi mr cherroy refer back to this thread u posted, after all I don't fully agree (bold sentence).
to buy more than 1 lot it better than own 1 lot. basically its strategy rather than 'Cheap'.

1lot of BAT @ 44.00 shld be 4400 sharp
while to buy 100 lots of penny stock not necessarily @ 0.40 as share price is fluctuate in a single day.
if u buy separately session in a single day u may by chance get 100 lots of abc stock @ avg price less than 0.40 (let say 0.38).

e.g  1 lot BAT @ 44.00 = 4400 + 28 + 5 + 1.32 = 4434.32
      115 lots ABC @ 0.38 = 4370 + 28 + 5 + 1.31 = 4404.31

      44.oo's 10% is 4.400  ;  48.400 x 1lot      = 4840 - 28 - 5 - 1.45 - 4034.32 = 771.23
      00.38's 10% is 0.038  :    0.418 x 115lots = 4807 - 28 - 5 - 1.44 - 3833.14 = 939.42

      for a stock at 44.00 stock to match penny stock's return it must rise +- 15% which is 5.00-6.00 wow
      for penny stock as u mention nit huge volume of buyer to surge, just few cents its possible (e.g. PA stock) big player + small player oso   
      joining the trade, meanwhile stock valued @ 44.00 I believe not much player there.
      what if one day 1 day BAT goes pte like MAXIS. then 1 lot = 4840 gone or if one day my abc goes pte let say i just buy 10 lots only = 380.
      which one higher risk?

sry just my humble opinion. this is my strategy of trade
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I know where your arguement come from. It is quite common preception in the market but think deeper, it makes no or not much different, as it is the total amount you had invested that matter only.
But I don't know how you come out the 10% part, nvm, this is not important.

As response to your statement,
If one company going into private, it means the privatising party need to fork out at least more than current market price before it can be done, it is not 4400 gone. Maxis shareholders never lose a single cent out of it.

You are comparing with different method. 1 lot 4840 vs 10 lot or 100 lots amounted 380.

Let say you have 5000k in hand and meant to be invested, you either buy 1 lot (x100) of 4400 or 100+ lots at 0.38 equivalent. It is the amount of invested money that matter, not price.

Yes, more transaction give you chance to do DCA, but insignificant in a 4k trade, as you don't trade lower than 1 K per transaction or per day as min commission will kill you potential gain in the first place. If higher amount like 8K, then even at 44.00 you have at least 2 transaction can be made already.
Still amount of invested money dictates, not price.

Below although not related, but just for some information.
High price stock, why it is high in the first place? because they are good company that provide good return rate to the shareholder, that's why people willing to buy at that high price (excluding those being goreng one), while penny stock why it stays at penny for years and decade? because it can't deliver good return rate to the shareholders, so people not willing to buy at higher price, (excluding those low price because of splitting).



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