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post Dec 31 2008, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 31 2008, 09:38 AM)
Anybody could explain to me why GPACKET surges for the past few days?

Thank you.
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Because it is the first company (among the 4) to introduce WiMAX : http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...gpak-2/Article/

I just read about this today wink.gif

QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 31 2008, 09:42 AM)
one key action to prolong your patient is,

don't always look at the stock market.

seriously, you can practise by only checking out the market after it is closed.

why bother to look when you ain't intend to buy, or the price is not reaching your target yet.

p/s: i myself, practising that nowadays. biggrin.gif
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Me noob.... wat to do.... laugh.gif

Ok ok, patience..... hmmmmm... patience....

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 31 2008, 10:16 AM)
noob mahsi noob lor, everyone learn from scratch.

time & experience will make us grow.
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I'd probably be slaughtered if it was a normal market.......

With my noobiness, even if the market falls, I don't lose much.... hopefully... smile.gif

Haizzz... boring market today.... cannot goreng... sad.gif

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QUOTE(lowyat888 @ Dec 31 2008, 11:01 AM)
dont be so sure or confident, that the market will windows dress or surge during CNY or year end, it may go the other way round. maybe it will surge only 5-10 cents for blue chip or 1-2 for penny stock only, not enough to cover for brokerage also.

our market is crazy sometimes when oversea surge, our market drops but when overseas market drop we surge or still even drop further. its difficult to predict. best things is stayout at the moment and dont investment (or can say indirectly call gambling $$)

dont worry there will alot of opportunity if the market really rebound along the way to make $$ no hurry. there will be different stage of going into the market to make $$. what is yours, will definately be yrs or else easy come easy goes the $$ for sure. (its just like gambling when u always win, tempted to win more else if lose also want to win back until lose back(pump in more $$ to breakeven) including capital (holding to paper losses, breakeven along the way, even go up a few stages also only breakeven not to say have profit right)
Our country cannot depends on local funds only to boost the market, if oveaseas funds are not in dont even think the market will go up

Patience dont be a warren buffet if cannot be (buy low sell high), alot only talk but no action. How many have the $$ to buy low sell high and timing must be right and have to go thru alot of worrying each whether the market will drop or up. tension, cannot sleep properly,work etc focus is not there. how much $$ is enough tell yrself?

Market is there for u to play not to worry. it wont close

just my 2 cents
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Errr.... currently, nobody is sure or confident of anything.... there is definitely a lot of opportunity to enter the market but nobody can tell when the best time is. For me, I considered myself lucky that I didn't play stocks until recently and I hope that entering the market now is as good a time as any. If anybody can predict the bottom, please let me know so that I can enter the market at that time.... nobody can, right? wink.gif

Yes, the stock market is there for you to make money, but remember that it is also for you to lose money too! Anyway, according to most predictions, the market will bottom in Q2-Q3. Would like to enter at that time but don't want to miss the boat either. Like everybody says, be prepare for hurt when you try to catch a falling knife.... however, if you caught a fallen knife, the gains would be tremendous! thumbup.gif

Lastly, that's my noob opinion... in terms of stocks trading, probably my 0.002 cents.... laugh.gif

Update : Go Zelan Go!!! Where's viper88? Time to sell? drool.gif

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Dec 31 2008, 12:11 PM)
Yeah, Zelan buying que increase ... good potential to go up.

Think abit hard to hit 0.90 today coz alot seller at 0.86, 0.87 and 0.88

Later evening i'm going out for new year countdown.. goin to sell off some maybe at 0.865.

Wish u guys here Happy New Year 2009 in advance,  happy trading and make good profit!  icon_idea.gif

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Yeah.... but just wondering why it would go up? I see the charts and noted that ZELAN usually don't rally during new year....

Hmmm... maybe I'll Q a bit lower.... see how....

QUOTE(kelvin667 @ Dec 31 2008, 12:12 PM)
Well, the theory of high risk high gain always apply.
However, stock market tends to be a bit different as risk was looked in a different manner. It can be predicted, assume and anlayze differently and all these analysis require something to based at.
The fact that I think lowyat 888 predicted an artificial rise on the composite was as the big storm is still ahead. Would M'sia share market be more prosperous during global slowdown. Are we vulnerable to global slowdown and slowdown of our largest trading partner, US.

In 1997, FDI only enter M'sia after 50% recovery, why is that? It is because to reduce risk taking. Nobody know the bottom of the market, but purchasing not for profit taking before storm ahead was risky.
Share market is about analysis and investment, not gambling.
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I also read somewhere that if you want to be safe, just buy into a sustained rally.... that way, you won't lose much money...... again, the problem is, the rally might already started for some time before you noticed it!!!

Gambling? Errr... as far as I know, lots of people gamble in stocks.... even selling off their assets just to buy stocks.... look at all those aunties and uncles in front of the stock board.... sweat.gif sweat.gif

Anyway, whatever it is, hope we all make the right decisions and come out with big fat ang pow. My strategy still stays - sell off in Q1 then buy in Q2/Q3 (for long-term investment) when I think the market is at the bottom.... smile.gif

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Dec 31 2008, 01:39 PM)
Here's more Osk investment strategy for 2009.

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Zelan goes up coz the big player tat buy in bulk few weeks ago are back.
I bought in more last week coz i know i'll have support in coming days/weeks/month.
Big player support very important to move up stock.
Let see how 2nd half time transaction.. If able to break 0.86, then very good. icon_idea.gif

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Really? Ler, should give me some tips ma... blush.gif

If that is the case, then I think I will just hold on to the stock..... nod.gif

That's what I did with SIME (already >10% gain but decided to hold) but now dropping sad.gif

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 31 2008, 03:46 PM)
Sime and Zelan are diff.

One is 80% full, and one is half empty. MMC may be interested in the cash pile of Zelan, but not the future of it.

MMC needs to beg for funds either from EFP or otherwise .

That is what political linked stock good at.

Judge your own.
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Errr... can you please explain it in noob terms.... me no understand... blush.gif

Wow! My favorite counters all suddenly turn red!!! Itchy itchy.... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 31 2008, 03:58 PM)
MMC is very short of cash. They turned to EPF for support, might not be successful.

It happens that Zelan is with some cash. So MMC would inject some non cash asset into Zelan  to take out the cash.

Do not know what the future holds for Zelan without cash.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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OIC....... hmmm.... so what you're saying is that Zelan's future might not be that good due to MMC right?

Anyway, looks like ZELAN coming down again..... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(PBB boleh @ Dec 31 2008, 04:48 PM)
Viper, did u notice the strange last min. deals for Zelan? It went to as high as .88 at one point... hmm.gif  but then close at 0.845

edit: er...went back to 0.88 wink.gif
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Wow! ZELAN last minute window dressing.... 20000 lots at the last 15 minutes sweat.gif

I initially Q at 0.88 to sell but saw too many people trying to sell... so I Q at 0.86.... sold almost immediately rclxub.gif

Bought GAMUDA instead.... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(PBB boleh @ Dec 31 2008, 05:03 PM)
I Q at 0.865. biggrin.gif nevermind, got profit ok already. Must be some inside info, not many people dare to buy so much in one shot (that 20,000 lot equals 1.76mil. sweat.gif )
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Guess so..... will be aiming for this counter again, IF it drops again.....

QUOTE(kinwawa @ Dec 31 2008, 05:08 PM)
so KLCI end the year with -4.88.....sei fatt fatt tongue.gif
njoy ur new year countdown!
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Haha.... sei fatt fatt means "die first then only get rich" or "fatt fatt both will die".... biggrin.gif

Anyway, happy new year thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(rayloo @ Dec 31 2008, 05:50 PM)
Just now I was chatting with my clients who had not stock experience before, they talk very loud to advise me that dont buy stock now, because next year will go down, buy in next year !!!! Now I go every where also hear the same thing....So I guess it is time to collect some now.  flex.gif Just my 2 cents.
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Like what this article says : http://www.cnbc.com/id/28352084

Anyway, I'm reading the OSK report viper88 posted, here's an interesting comment (bolded):

QUOTE
4Q FY08 results season likely to be ugly. While we are hopeful that the 3Q FY08 results
will be relatively benign given that commodity prices had remained largely  rm during the
quarter, the collapse in commodity prices and the subsequent global slowdown should hit
4Q numbers rather hard. With the 4Q results reporting season falling in February 2009, we
expect the KLCI to hit a nadir around this period
. Looking at Figure 6, we see a correlation
between the results being announced and the performance of the local market. Our
expectation for a benign 3Q  ts in with our view of a 2008 year-end  attish performance
for the KLCI but expectation of a weak 4Q results season ties in with our view of a poor
1H2009.


If everything goes according to plan (I know, whatever we plan may backfire), I plan to sell off all my stocks by then but may still go for defensive counters with higher dividend yield......

@viper88 - sold any ZELAN today? smile.gif

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Noob question (sorry ya icon_rolleyes.gif ) : GAMUDA giving 4% dividend in January. The 4% is calculated from the share price at that ex-date right? hmm.gif

The worst is yet to come : http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...46&sec=business
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QUOTE(htt @ Jan 1 2009, 04:24 PM)
Boh lah, multiply to paid up capital.
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I see. Thx.

Time to buy some more resort? laugh.gif http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 1 2009, 08:03 PM)
I've set que sell 30400 unit at 0.865 before went out for new year countdown yesterday. I didn't expect able to sell it off at that price coz the buyer demand seems weak compare to the seller around 4pm. Somehow Zelan broke the 0.86 price barrier and went up as high as 0.88. I made profit about 2K+ icon_idea.gif  still have many units in hand.  laugh.gif
I feel Zelan should be able to break 0.90 soon due to strong buy demand shown yesterday.

Maybe will keep till CNY so can make more profits.  laugh.gif

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Wow! Nice. thumbup.gif

However, the 0.88 price is a last minute buy, probably window dressing? If the price comes down, will grab some more.....

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 1 2009, 09:35 PM)
Ya, i oso noticed the the price bfr 0.88 very little or none unit transacted.
Suddenly all the seller wanna sell at higher price when closing time.

Zelan price more stable at 0.855 yesterday.

You sold ur Zelan?

Do you managed to get good profit for year 2008 in share market?
5 figure amount?

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Where got 5 figure la.... only 3 figure as my amount is much much MUCH less... laugh.gif

A year to remember for noob me.... My first stock that I sold (ZELAN) and my first counter that I got dividend for (UCHITEC) blush.gif

All in all, still paper loss..... sad.gif

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 1 2009, 10:39 PM)
My profit last year oso quite low, only about 5% from my investment capital not including resort counter which stll in paper lost.. zzzz.

Somehow i have the feeling stock market will rise soon in this month. 

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I see..... hope we all can celebrate soon.... at least in Q1!! biggrin.gif

I still believe that Q2 & Q3 will probably be worst..... hmm.gif

QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 1 2009, 10:48 PM)
you're doing very well already, being able to make money even in bear market like now.

alot of ppl (including myself) are suffering from paper loss.
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Yeah, really bad for most people who were in stocks prior to this crash..... hope everybody can recover their losses when the bull comes....

Anyway, do you guys have any strategy for '09? I've already stated my strategy earlier although it might not work out... at least, a strategy is better than no strategy! smile.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 1 2009, 11:10 PM)
2009 stratergy is - put money in FD. kekekeke.
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Lerr.... how to make money like that?

See, some people are cautionsly bullish for Q1 : http://bursa-chat.blogspot.com/2009/01/200...ly-bullish.html

They even mentioned a few counters, to ride the bull - AMMB, SAPCRES, LIONIND & LIONCOR....

I might go for LIONIND... like what viper88 said...

Any info on SAPCRES? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 1 2009, 11:42 PM)
lol i was partially joking la, kmarc.

put aside stock market, i just feel that we need to save more money for rainy days. you dunno when will it be.

i'll stay sideline atm unless there's a HUGE DROP in one day. there i come brows.gif
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That's ok. I'm sure many people are putting their money in more secure places (like FD) at the moment.

Errr... Huge drop? I'm also waiting for it but I want to catch the rally first! icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 1 2009, 11:45 PM)
Lionind price hit 0.73 recently and lotsa transaction average price at about 0.70.
Steel market still over-supply currently. Steel price most likely will only get better after 2nd half of this year.
Lionind price drop back 0.65 last week but start to climb up back to 0.68.

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Yeah, most research house say that (i.e. oversupply). However, they also put "Overweight" in steel for FY09.

I see quite a good support for LIONIND. The counter seems to want to go up most of the time.

Anyway, gonna Q for LOININD today.....

QUOTE(alivecmh @ Jan 2 2009, 12:13 AM)
hopefully pre cny rally will come..   go go go sapcres.   So is sapcres-wa.
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Any info on SAPCRES? Looking at their charts, the prices has already achieved a plateau. Good time for a rebound..... hmm.gif

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Damn! I Q LIONIND at 0.67, didn't get it.....

Hmmmm.... looks like rally starting? hmm.gif

@panasonic88 - sure you don't want to join the rally? brows.gif
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Didn't expect any rally today. sweat.gif

Either way is ok for me. If market goes down, can buy some more. If market goes up, can enjoy the gains! rclxms.gif

Anyway, YTLPOWER really power. Expected it to drop a bit after ex-date but keeps on going up! doh.gif

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KLCI could hit 900 by end-2009 : http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

So near but yet so far.....

Here's something that most research houses are echoing "Investors should consider “underweighting” plantation and banking stocks toward the end of the first quarter as palm oil prices ease and non-performing loans rise, the report said. - Bloomberg"

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