My friend keep telling dun go to chinaman company to work.I also dun know what is that.

That means don't work for a company where all the man come from China.

hahaha.. what a good explanation

cool answer - but c'mon la. let's be serious.

basically they're referring to those company where the management style is CHINESE - meaning all about $$$$$ work long hours and so on so forth.

that's my understanding of it la. oh yeah and quite often characterized by heavy chinese influence and having most, if not all Chinese staff BUT not necessarily so.

it all depends on da boss. but then , best get your friend to explain what they mean cos everyone has their definition and boundaries.

in a simple of explaining it

a company who follows the chinese methodology of running a business by squeezing every employee till last drop by paying them peanuts

Chinaman company definition are referring to employer/boss whom treat staff like shxt and pay peanut... Also, employer/boss that likes and reward shoe licker people only

China man company means...every thing labor law only, u never get extra....

For eg:

5 & 1/2 days per week

10 public holidays instead of follow calender one..

Bonus "depands" on "management's discretion"

No dental, no coorparate parking, medical limited to RM 30 per month & etc & etc.........

And the untimate weapon during interview...the boss said " I tell you what, the pay (the peanut) I offer you is very high already for your position....(with those peanuts u can handle ur living well enough already)........

Hahaha....sorry, I don't mean these for those really kind & gentlemen bosses out there, but I really experienced all these on my own...

Hahaha,
I think from all the explanations, I think this is nearest unless new example crop in.

haha chinaman company those bosses veli calculative. i heard a fren of mine deal wif his boss from hong kong really kira kao kao.

Means if the boss pays you RM2k salary, he plans to suck you out
by pressure you to work worth more than RM20k. Suck till you dry..

AGREE and SUPPORT your STATEMENT ALL THE WAY..

sorry for caps

ahhahaa.. then you should see singapore's one.. its even worst...

the worst chinaman company is OT = no extra pay

chinaman company the worst, but chinaman company survive long times

chinaman are famous for kiamsiap (stingy) ... even local companies are better than them

partly true...

usually chinaman company will hire you pay you 2k... while you do 3 persons job...

while a MNC will hire 3 person give each person 2k for the job..

so in away chinaman company policy is

12 hours a day..

6 days a week

medical no claim, you sick its your problem not company...cause its you who is sick not company..

travel/parking own pay, why should i pay you to come to work....

leave is very very difficult to apply....

is it chinaman company == company boss from china? or all the boss which is chinese? haha.... not all chinaman company bad 1 la...sure got some exception 1...depend on ur luck

aren't local company considered chinaman company in terms of style.. even though they are local chinese ?

The boss is chinese.....not from china..

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Added on December 2, 2008, 12:16 amMaybe he refer to those local owned company with western or those days ppl call it "modern" management style.

This post has been edited by cfng76: Dec 2 2008, 12:16 AM

the term chinaman is cause.. chinese comes from china.. and on a basic level all chinese type of business follow the same

chinese/china style of business

Imagine you are the Chinaman boss.... U will oso want to squeeze ur staff till dry by paying them peanuts but in return able to maximise your returns.

C'mon la, we are all chinaman.... who dunwan "yi ben wan li" = means cost is RM1 but margin is RM10,000.

Guy, please do not mislead our fellow members here.

A typical chinaman company will have a structure whereby most of their employees, especially higher level mgmt consist of majority chinese. But that doesn't means they're chinaman company either.

They will have the following characteristic as well:

1] Usually they can override all the policy they've set before.

2] Usually they are very calculative, especially in term of pay, bonus and allowances.

3] They do not favour work-and-life balance kind of things.

4] Usually the company will set lots of rules that's unfavourable to employees.

I guess that's all.

5] Employees 70% = freshgrad or worked not longer than 2 years.

6] Organize some event for employees and expect (froce) employees to pay half for the event they organized.

But sometimes u can learn a lot from chinaman company, although u gotta one leg kick most of the times, but u will learn a lotta thing when u look back in future. Just look at their positive side, and u work in MNC doesnt mean ur work is gonna be easy and remember in some MNC, when their management r chinese, more or less stil have chinaman influenced.

But why do we wanna learn all things and not enjoy life?

Do you want to work for all year long with just 10 days of annual leave which you are able to learn a lot of things or do you want to learn bit by bit but you are able to travel aorund the world for holidays for 3-4 months no pressure like those Europeans or Westerners.

This post has been edited by siren: Dec 2 2008, 12:44 PM

one leg kick learn a lot? eh seriously la, OLK can quite often be just routine.

so you're doing 3 person's job but just repeating it day-in, day-out!

travel = lawat sambil belajar!

seriously u can learn a lot n know a lotta things, differentiate good boss or tricky boss, if u just grad from college, and u will understand better the definition of 'good company or bad one' as u used to be in the worst. just to share my experiences, lotta ppl still complain when they r in good company with good benefits in mnc environment, and i just wanted to tell this ppl try go and work for chinaman comp, and u will realize how lucky u r currently, but 1 thing is chinaman comp do produce lotta good, dedicated and hardworking ppl in the market.

I disagree with that, cause you will only be learning a lot on the way chinaman do things.
You cannot apply the chinaman way of doing things in bigger companies.

this is so true and it apply to the company i am currently working

My Translation of chinaman company,

RM1 spend is RM2 lost in P&L report
RM1 profit is RM0.30 as gross net profit whereas RM0.20 is the costing.

So, RM0.50 they syphon in pocket.

Hi guys, agreed with every single point.

I work in 2 china man companies before and the only things that you can learn is throw one stone kill 2 birds or 3 birds or many birds....

They will squeeze you until no juice!!!! The pay is less and the working hours are long.......

Sigh... please prevent those China Man company..... e.g. the interviewer/future boss which does not have good command of english....

And don't forget about those chinaman company that is run by the family. Where the boss will bring his mother to come and cook during lunch time.

how abt huawei?

huawei is not a chinamen company but a chinese company lol

Please do not have a wrong perception whereby chinese owned companies belongs to chinaman style companies, there's alot of chinese owned conglomerates, huge public listed companies, or small medium companies where they do not practise such cultures.

If you peeps want to work in an MNC environment and avoid chinaman corporations, brush up on your verbal and written English skills!

My brother worked in one of those Singapore chinaman company before.

He's one of the pioneers and sad to say they don't appreciate his sacrifices (late nights and weekends) while he's working for them.
Examples includes dragging his salary for more than one month when the company is starting up claiming need to wait for the customer to pay up.
Not giving increment and bonus saying company not doing well while the whole family go tour europe for a month.

Luckily he's in a US MNC now and it's a world of difference there.

*sigh* i am working in such company. the bolded parts truly reflect my company's policy. Due to the long working hour, many of the staffs are single and not married eventhough they have reach "suitable" marrried age.

i couldnt have agree more with u except the swearing part

Basically the person who wrote that is etiher:
a) A boss in the chinaman company
or
b) Never work one leg kick in chinaman company
or
c) Used to work like that, but now working in a better company and he/she is grateful that he/she has learn a lot during that time and now apply the knowledge on current job.

For people who is doing OLK now, reading that post is kinda blasphemy!

A lot of you seem to have a real disdain for Chinaman companies. If they are so bad to work for, then don't work for them. Why suffer the long hours and 1 person doing 3 persons' jobs?

If you can work so hard and are so good, I'm sure the MNCs, consultancies and international banks must be tripping over themselves trying to hire you.

But the fact that a lot of you spend years slaving at Chinaman companies proves 2 things.

1. You're really not that good. Probably not much good at all. The only company that will hire you is the Chinaman.

2. The fact that people like you spend years at Chinaman companies, and they have survived for generations means that they are paying you exactly what you're worth. Not much.

for my opinion, you wil able to learn a lot , i mean damn lot as your job wil cover several field also. when you think you have enought of knowledge, you can apply in a mnc company in management level already. this is due to your large coverage of skill and good communication skill as you have encountered during your working time in those chinaman company.

Some of these peeps can't get into MNCs and the Accentures of this world is largely due to their inept command of the English language.

Actually there are pros and cons about Chinaman companies.

Pro:
They know how to use resources wisely. No wastage. Meaning they don't pay ppl for nothing. Unlike certain Non-chinaman companies, sometimes certain position is redundant...

Hence, when recession hit the country, normally Chinaman companies will sustain. While others will have problem cutting job, salary, etc.

Con:
They don't really follow black and white or company policy. Bos is the "policy". Probably just one person is hired as Admin cum Account cum HR... heheh... whatever comes out from Bos is the policy. Money speaks in Chinaman company.

Sadly that's not true at all. The communication & mgt styles, corporate culture and professional skillsets needed are totally different.

Good communication skills are honed in chinaman corporate environments?

Do you even what is the lingua franca of MNCs? How many chinamen companies can even string a decent English sentence?

I think it's more appropriate to say "They know how to exploit the employees better and the employees cannot do anything about it (since they have a million conflicting excuses) except quit."
Regarding redundant positions espeacially in MNCs, most of the time it's the mid management level.

Nowadays, GLCs seems to be the way to go since the G will bail them out regardless. And the best part is you don't have to work half of what you are expected to do.

You guys read through my heart ... i ever worked in a chinaman company.... it made me tired and exhausted to death

Now it's over, working in an MNC... it's a "whole world changed" kind of feel

There seem to be so many definition of "Chinaman Company" here, my impression is a chinaman company is a company which majority management is made of one or a few chinese, or it is a family business company operated by chinese. Usually one or two chinese who usually the boss or lady boss that make the important decision.

So is that mean if I set up a pancake company, and I be the CEO. My company is known as chinaman company?

So since they are usually smaller, they have to be critically concious about resource planning, including squezzing benefit for employees, extra work, etc etc.

So some say MNC is better then chinaman company, I would not agree on this one, MNC profit good? Do you know nowadays MNC like to hire people via contracts? That means your benefit is shittier then those in chinaman company, you work daylessly and nightlessly, and you can be dismissed anytime if your boss dont like you, you are being paid with half peanuts.

Some say MNC job easier? Huhuhu, are you kidding?

Tell me, how is it better then chinaman company?

This post has been edited by rexis: Dec 3 2008, 09:16 AM

Hey brother, not all chinaman companies are as good as you have thought about. No matter how worst an MNC company is, they do provide compensate leave to their staffs; working system is good; network system is good; photostate machine is good; fax machine is good; sercurity system is good; got paternity leave, marriage leave etc. Although nowadays they hire staff via contracts but staff still having better benefits from permanent staffs in chinaman company.

At least, contract staff in an MNC has 2 months bonus but permanent staff in chinamen company not even half month.

I'm not kidding.

what does "one leg kicking" means? i seen some forumer using this phrase.

In a way MNC company has its more systematic way of policies compare to chinaman company. As it hell in MNC company learning path is concentrate on a specific job of u doin & by exploring further out of scope is hardly prompt up because of their capabilities of organization structure resources.

I aggree that the learning scope in a chinaman is wider compare to a MNC. All the way, MNC company already has their system & whereby the benefits has its set target for the employee, the employee only need to implement or follow the instruction. By all means, it also has to refer to your top management of that organization leadership(director/GM)...The meaning is that the company is so call MNC but the local management is somehow a chinaman management.

Chinaman company only benefits the company, less on worker welfare.

But i know that working in a chinaman company has some benefits such as forcing one to be multi-tasking and this will benefit if you get a position in a MNC at a managerial position since you know in flow of how things go first hand.

As in any organization, you'd need to show that you are of value to your boss in order to have better chances in getting benefits.

Sometimes in a big comp, its harder for decision makers to notice you.

Maybe your should check back on your own english before you post it here.
Althought my boss is a chinese but all our corresponding letter is done in English.
This is because we deal alot wit MNC company.

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Added on December 4, 2008, 2:01 pmAt least someone finally understand what i meant. If you get a position in a MNC, you will probably in a managerial position because they know staff from chinamen company are multi tasker

This post has been edited by genesic: Dec 4 2008, 02:01 PM

chinaman company is company that do not invest much on staff and they do not promote work and life balance. you can expect low pay, long working hour, low spec computer, calculative boss, no career path.

Speaking of English, I see you don't have a good grasp of plurals and spelling. Re-read your own sentences.

What sort of good communication skills have you learnt from working in a "traditional chinaman" company? Please enlighten us.

Hiring for managerial positions are dependent on the candidate's skills and relevant experience - multi-tasking in a smallish and less professional setup e.g. a chinaman firm does not increase the chances of being hired for such positions.

Hence, most if not all management positions, particularly the senior ones at MNCs are filled with hirees from other MNCS or at the very least, large local corporations (think Sime Darby, Public Bank, etc).

Hi SPS,

I SUPPORT you!!!

Well, in any kind of companies, you learn some skills. I aint sure whether have u tried to work in 'traditional chinaman' companies before? But I dare to say, it breeds entrepreneurial spirits. It has something to do with the 'training' when working in these companies even though it's unofficials. As I said, experience tells everything. The more exposure you have, the better you are, in which, in traditional chinaman companies, one doesn't even have specifics roles, and thus, you can play what ever role in the companies and that gives you lots of exposure.

Look at those PLCs in KLSE. Count how many of them are starting as working in 'traditional chinaman' companies?

I can count a few:

1. Robert Kuok Hock-Nien
"Kuok’s Youth

Kuok was born in 1923 in Johor Bahru, the son of a well-off commodities trader.
His ancestral town was in Fujian province, China.
An old boy of Raffles College in Singapore, he was a schoolmate of Singapore's
Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew in the late 40s. After graduation, he helped out
at his father’s company, and founded the Kuok Brothers Sdn Bhd in 1949."

2. IOI Founders
"He grew up northeast of Kuala Lumpur on a rubber plantation, where his father ran a small Chinese food shop. He left school when he was 11 to help support his family, selling ice cream on a bicycle for four years before returning to finish high school. He interviewed with one palm oil plantation for a supervisory job, but wasn't hired because he didn't speak English--important then because Europeans still ran most of the plantations. (Some 20 years later he took over that company; Dunlop Estate) Instead, at 22 he became a field supervisor at another palm oil company. That is when he started to develop his hands-on managerial style and home in on what it took to maximize yields."

3. Tan Sri Tan Sri Yeoh Tiang Lay's father - YTL Group
"Francis' grandfather initially worked as a clerk at a timber store in Klang. He married in 1923 and then moved alone to Kuala Selangor to start his own timber business. He later branched out into transport and construction-contracting."

I very much doubt a cause-and-effect relationship can be proven that working for a "chinaman" firm or for an MNC type concern leads to entrepreunial desires. For instance, the founder of Lenovo (one of the largest PC makers in the world) attributed his success to HP when he was running a distribution business for the giant technology corporation. Running your own business concern is largely dependent on one's own preference and psychological makeup, people from all walks of life start businesses.

You give one example, I can give you another entrepenuer that did not go through the chinaman company route to be successful (eg:- google, microsoft, faceobok etc ) You can't attribute an entrepeneur success to chinaman companies. To me it's more towards the persons character , how they are willing to take risk and oppurtunity.

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Added on December 4, 2008, 4:25 pmI disagree with the statement. I have some experience with some chinaman company, I dare say my managers then would not be able to fit into MNC culture. I doubt they can handle politics and interactions with foreign western counterparts.

This post has been edited by Drian: Dec 4 2008, 04:25 PM

That's a joke, right?

Like I said, the skillsets, culture and management styles are totally different. Almost opposite, in some cases. Someone from a Chinaman background will simply not fit in and cannot cope in a MNC environment, much less be seen as promising 'managerial' material. And vice versa, I would add.

1) Hope to get the best by paying the cheapest price (though sometimes I behave this way too ).
2) High employee turn over rate (vary depends on industry)
3) Always say yes to customer but act the other way around to employee (just kidding)

Like I said, undeniably one will learn something from anytype of companies. It just how much effort the employees take. In which most structured companies will have defined job scopes, therefore, exposure learn might be just a small part of the org. When compare to one in 'chinaman' firm, they don't get defined job scopes, therefore, more exposure.

Oh my.. Don't get me wrongly. I say 'chinaman companies' breed entrepreneurial spirit, it shapes the thoughts and mindset of the employees. But not every entrepreneur born from 'chinaman companies' of course.

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Added on December 4, 2008, 9:31 pmAnyway, I think we've answered the TS more than what we supposed

No point arguing how much one could learn from chinaman companies. There are always two sides to every coin. Depends on which view you look at it.

This post has been edited by keith_hjinhoh: Dec 4 2008, 09:31 PM

i am working in biolife and its considered a chinaman company cause its runned by a china man

but the china man is a person i admire and he run it like the military.

the pay is good and the career advancement is also good.

and they dont give you peanut pay.

chinaman company = one leg kicking.

expect to handle more works, thus one gained more from the experience.

I used to be in such company and yes, it pushes you to learn to survive and find solutions no matter what.

moving on to an mnc, i find the staff there, well... not so great on survival instinct and require guiding on a lot of matters.

personal exp anyway.

Bottom line is that chinaman or MNC type organizations do not promote or hinder one's entrepreunial spirit.

There is no cause and effect linkages anywhere to prove that - try as you might. I could also state that American type organizations produces entreprenuers by the truckload judging the amount of start-up businesses in the US of A and they are certainly no product of any chinaman organization.

Entreprenuership is largely dependent on one's own character - I know because I am an entreprenuer myself.

I have to disagree on the part that staff in MNCs are not great on survival instinct.
The political environment promotes back stabbers and ass lickers. You can be useless in your work and still be successful providing you are ruthless.

Of course, MNCs have more excess baggage employees than chinaman since excess baggage employees are discarded by chinaman and simply because MNCs are larger in size. It's harder for an employee in an MNC to be fired once they get pass the probation period.

I think I mean survival instinct in the sense of "if i dont settle this i will lose my job"

Your encounters are with deadwood/old timers who learnt how to leech off the org...

TRUE! cos I used to work in tis kinda company b4

sure or not? mother cook for his staff? got supply food summore?

beside the staff benefits are not in our expectation, the most disadvantage is some chinaman company is family members hold the top management positions, sometimes husband (MD) and wife (ED) will fight in the meeting, then which side u wan to support? headache!!!

This post has been edited by RME-RAnger: Dec 5 2008, 12:57 PM

True. True. I agree with that. Some people will go home w/o completing their work when it's crunch time.
And most of the time, those that do that are the deadwoods.
That mentality is due to the fact that MNCs rarely fire permanents unless they commit corporate sin (sexual harassment, etc.), are really really bad performer or from a global directive.

That and also there's always some poor people taking over the work.

yea....the boss's mother once cook for us char kuai teow and red bean as lunch. as time pass by, my other boss (run by 2 brothers) tell his mom not to cook in the office anymore. maybe he don't want us to have free lunch

agree... you voice out my heart....

Sometimes the husband was not there, the wife decided plan A. When the husband was back, he disagreed with that and insist on plan B, but plan A was already in progress....at the end, things got messed up....

i ever see both of my ex-bosses (husband and wife) quarreled in the meeting, me and all my ex-colleagues just sitting there and wait for them to 'work' out a conclusion..

Agree. Very hard to work in this kind of environment.

Not all company like that. My company now abit of chinaman company attitude but my boss is very concern on worker training and upgrading their skills since it benefits the company by having more skilled workers, the company can apply for contracts which need ppl with those specific skills. Also the worker can upgrade their own skills.

Currently now my boss is pushing for everybody to upgrade themselves with the necessary skills and future skill which are marketable. For me i've oledi went for courses in ISO auditing as well as level 1 certification for a number of engineering related fields and am going for my level 2 certification in ultrasonic testing and later upgrading it to phased array technology.

Too bad coz of crappy malaysian government, i cant follow my bosses for business trip to israel since he want 2 acquire some equipment over there.

This post has been edited by crapp0: Dec 6 2008, 12:34 AM

Chinaman company is a company in which the signboard of the company will have chinese characters below their english name.

Its a company that uses super outdated PCs and still using typewriters and the bosses room will have all those praying statues and fengshui stuff.

THen its also a company who require staff to work a minimum of 12 hours a day but the pay will be good but the boss will really squeeze every single drop of juice out from you before paying salary.

Everything is about minimum cost and maximum profit and he doesnt care how you do it,just get it done.

It's about the company will squeeze your blood this dry..and they are making money.but your salary is increase byRM50 per year.

Which company is this? I'll apply there right now.

i got 1st hand experience when i was 19 working in a small lawyer firm.

really 1 leg kicking. all staffs were the same position, either senior or junior, but we all did the same task. there's only 1 department, and we learn to handle the whole case from start to finish.

and during weekend, the boss (husband&wife) along with all their 4 kids will be at the office too. oh yeah, even their indonesion maid need to help at filing.

Chinaman company=Work like hell, Pay like shit!

dig out some old thread and can't stop laughing. my opinion of china-ah pek company is:

1.) there's a powderful people (nothing bout sex discrimination but usually it's women) to CONTROL everything.

2.) without company policy, never follow black and white, decision is made from mouth. for e.g. you suppose to claim RM 100/ day at for a over-sea trip at an expensive city, it's written in the policy, but the powderful 1 deduct it to RM 50/ day (by force), maybe it never step out from it's room and do not know what happen outside ...

3.) always looking for excuses to squeeze employee's salary/ benefits e.g. make use of the economic crisis, and deduct the sales personal commissions for >50%, ohh, of course over-write the sales manager's power, as mentioned, powderful 1 control EVERYTHING ! but in fact, sales personal is doing much better than previous year, and they unable to get back what they lose.. for ever ever and ever...

4.) medical, dental benefit, yes, but... limited add up RM 300/ yr... so if you gone for dental and spent near RM 300, then don't sick because you unable to claim any medical payment anymore ...

5.) as the company expanding (as mentioned, it's doing better and better), more peoples joining, so less parking, and some double-park their car, so the mgmt implement a new rules, buy a clamp, hire some vietnamese, and clamp whoever car that not parked properly, 50bucks to release the clamp, everything happens within the company's own private land.

6.) cut cost, cut cost and cut cost, that's everything, employee salary unable to follow the inflation, that's your problem as long as I success to cut down all the cost, and get more BONUS next year !

that's all joke. don't take it too serious. LOL.

hahaha totally agree with u.....

damn chinaman company... *** sai china face.... MNC still de best...

for fresh grad work in chinamen company can survive only 1 year+ then cabut.... cos totally no system at all...

alot work, but peanut paid....

i wonder which MNC did not squeeze to the max
even MNC is run by m'sian it is still china ah pek company for me

MNCs did not make it by being nice to ppl. U mean the angmoh are betteR?

all is the same , just MNC will get more in term of dollar and benefit

Chinaman company - squezes out of you every ounce of energy for the company profit, with most the time "one leg kicking".
The upside is that expect to handle more works, thus one gained more from the experience.

MNC - benefits & working environment is better than Chinaman company.

Same here... Experience from chinaman company... I was fresh graduate from QS going to become Site Supervisor+Site QS with 2 days off per month at that time... Given laoya supervisor to learn with, I forced to learn from scratch by observing and improving their traditional method by myself... After 3 months, I get confirmed and promoted to Site Manager because I able to run whole project by myself with blood n sweat and boss look happily at me coz i able to help him save a lot of cost. At that time, I asked my boss, since u promoted me to Site Manager, my salary need to be revised... He delayed me for 1 month, and said promise to raise me RM50...

From that day on, I tendered my resignation.... I even changed my job to another field to MNC company and yet everything become more easier...

I get good and bad experience in chinaman company but I feel grateful for what I am working right now.

Haha! Definitely true bro! I worked for a company that was EXACTLY like that and more! I only lasted one month before I told the boss to go and F himself

Hands down yes. My aunt working for george soros investment firm, and he treats his workers very well and he isnt a chinaman task master as well. china man value a worker you willing to work long hour, george prefers if you finish your work in a fast and efficient manner so everybody wins. The company can cut down on overheads while you get more time for yourself.

Chinaman is asking his kuli to use a buffalo to plow the field, ang moh gives you the tools and skills necessary to operate a machine to get the same job down quicker and better.

This post has been edited by crapp0: Mar 10 2010, 10:59 PM

i've known of some "ang moh" bosses that ask their staff why are they still around if she sees them after 6pm. and asks them to go home. and yes, in Malaysia.

this is foreign company that are still being run by foreigner, if the MNC is run by local, it will also decay to be almost like chinaman company.

the last local company i work in when i want to go back at 5:30 many people will stare at me and the boss said i am not hard working enough.

now my company everyone left the building by 5:45

This post has been edited by robertngo: Mar 10 2010, 11:04 PM

Depends - there are many KLSE listed co's which are run by English educated Chinese who are just as " chinaman " as those who they claim are.

Chinese company run by Chinese educated - depends if you know how to communicate with them , can be OK.

u can stare back to them shows that u all are not as efficient as me where working smart and going back on time..

that is the company culture for many chinamen company, if you are not staying late mean you are not working hard enough, even if you are just wasting time in office the point is being visible to the boss that you are still in the office. then the boss can be assured that he is getting extra for the salary he paying out.

This post has been edited by robertngo: Mar 10 2010, 11:14 PM

yaya... i had been worked in one MNC but controlled by Chinamen.. if u go back on time which means that u have no work to do and free enough... then the next day...will throw all the unnecessary thing for u... to expect u not to go back on time...where got this kind of culture to evaluate employee have work or no work to do...

local non MNC run own / run by foreigner.



unfortunately there are non-local but internationally known companies where staff leaving at 7pm are called not hardworking / rush to leave.