4 bars with Fremont man... 4 bars! With mike also not bad - 2 bars and with no visible lag. Post-tournament I am slowly becoming a trophy whore... must become Ruler of All!!! If no one to gaduh tonite I go cari pasal on Ranking... need 10 wins straight (z-a-n-g-i-e-f) hohoho...

I am also still learning bro.. 1st lesson is finding ways to connect his Ultra, especially in the corner. His j.forward HK can juggle an ex-snake or Ultra, while LK-HK can too. Or HP Palm in the corner. Go find ur own ways then teach me also

Another way is to eat more fast food LOL. I love his win quotes!

Can't resist a good fight... but really have to catch up on work projects - besides, got others also like mike, neobita, lykiat and other regular posters here. or whatwhatinmybutt and tristanx. all nice to fight with too.

Personally, now that the dust has settled (post-tournament, Killzone 2, RE5), you get to see the true SF fans - no offence to anyone here. let's hope our community gets bigger!

Hoho, you think it's safe to go to the SF4 thread now? Less people there now.

Yah.. lag is something to be expected, and I'm guilty of complaining of it sometimes too but after few slo-mo games, no feeling already as I feel privileged to fight with someone who can put up with it too - so it works both ways

I find people here having plenty of respect for each other so win or lose the match, we all win, in the sense we gain from the experience. People in ranked matches tend to quit more while they are losing, in the effort to not lose their miserable BPs - which is not a true gauge on how good you are.

No top-player is "in-des-tructableee" (sing along now) so everyone has definitely a winning chance provided they do research, train and collect more experience with their chosen character. Just sharing, I myself love doing research and tend to be an analytical fighter. Besides just brawling and learning from experience, I analyse match videos and adopt best practice, visit other sites for moves with frame advantages and match-ups, character-specific discussions, etc. But does this make me a better fighter? Not at all, and never will. You may know the tools but it's entirely up to you on how you use it. That's where experience comes to play. For me and the rest here, even champions, we're always learning.

TristanX (Ken) got to where he did because of his vast experience and he knew his character(s) well, as with matchups (being careful vs Blanka, playing range vs Gief, etc). Kenneth (Ryu) won because of similar values too, and was given more openings. Fair play, I would say.

But ultimately to re-quote our motto, "SF binds friendship"!

This post has been edited by rawfish: Mar 4 2009, 02:55 PM

Dun lar, lykiat . As squall said it'll be great if more people can join the lobby and have the winner-stays system like SFHD.

Actually I need a favour from any of you, and I will repay the same. I am trophy-whoring now and besides clearing the %^$%^*$* Hard Trial Challenge mode I need to get 10 straight wins over Ranked matches. As you know, getting matches which are +2 bars and above AND being able to connect to the person is darn hard already, AND even more challenging when the connection gets laggy.

Attempt #1: Used Dictator to beat 7 people, 8th person laggy hence I could not even punish a missed EX dragon punch (the person did not know how to play, was spamming DPs). Lost in the end.

Attempt #2: Used Dic again and matches were harder to find. By the 5th match I wanted to get it over with and used Gief coz even if laggy I can at least punish people without basic combos. 7th person used Seth and kept spamming Sonic Booms and fwd+HP (Dhalsim's long hands) from far, and Teleport each time I got near. Lost like that, in the lag too - bah.

2 Hours Later...

Attempt #3: Tried a different approach. I did a search filter for "non-lobby" matches, which means I will fight people who allow themselves to be challenged during Arcade mode. I assume people waiting in the Lobby will be more battle hungry and skilled. Furthermore, I looked specifically for 1-round matches, which newbies tend to go for in Arcade mode to unlock characters - no other reasons for 1-rounds. Fought my way to the 8th opponent, with 3+ bars, and got defeated by his/her Chun Li. She was played Japanese style rushdown/defence e.g. d+lk x3 in corner, EX lightning legs to Ultra in corner. Mati without any 2nd round chance to comeback.

The most painful part is actually refreshing the available opponents and actually getting to connect to them.


So... anyone willing to create a ranked lobby with 1 round, in some obscure language, with the least number of seconds, and hopefully my search will pick you up? Need 10 wins. Then if the person also wants, I will do the same of course.


PS: Mike.. to get a rough idea on how to use new chars i usually will watch the Japs on Youtube then adopt their best practice. Then develop my own style lo. At least to get a rough idea on how they are best played. Some characters have an impossible learning curve e.g. Tetsuo's El Fuerte!

Other than that for some chars, the trick is to find a few simple, practical combos to use when got opportunity. And also few moves with quick recovery... SPAM IT!

It is Gouken... or Dan

Hey let's learn together... but I need ur help with getting 10 straight wins on Ranked!

Thanks for the offer, I grabbed mike just now and he was so helpful to host a game with:
1) 30 second round time
2) 1 round match
3) in Spanish

Searching for him was a breeze... it works and i got the "Playing To Win!" trophy which I found hard as my games with strangers were laggy! When I tried connecting to most ZERO/ONE bar hosts, they would usually kick me out Mike had ZERO network bar but didn't lag. Now all I need are the Icons and Titles... which I guess I'll gradually get when I fight online.

For Ken's Hard Trial #5 that took me time too. I found out that after FADC-ing the Fierce DP I just need to jump fwd and EX hurricane as soon as I take off the floor. That move will suck back Dan even if he appears to keep flying up from the DP - he will eat all hits. I had more trouble with Trial #4 as the opponent kept falling before I could Ultra (managed to do it by ensuring every move comes out quick in between frames).

NEWS!

PC SF4 bundle being explored, more pads on the way:
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2009/mar/04/...-more-pads-way/

Need a PC copy to install in office LOL.

Some SFHD news!! Haha, it's about the darn patch:
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2009/mar/03/...very-very-soon/

With you, it's 2) ok ok and sometimes 1) lagless

I would suggest something like "Street Fighter HD Remix: The Community" with subtopic/description as "In-depth discussion on all things SF". DIscussions on SF4 is justified here as it makes perfect sense we are SFHD players but had evolved to SF4.

Our main justification is that the TS for the Official SF4 thread has gone AWOL. At least mike, you can update the first post when something good comes in this thread. Tell me if you need any help compiling any info.

Or, someone has to make a new thread with something like "Street Fighter 4 - The Official Thread V2" and he/she needs to be at least active in posting and keeping up with the times.

Tokido gets owned by pin-up model Haruna Anno

P.S. He gave chance. Daigo, KSK and Mago in the background.


Ok.. more to serious stuff!

So not only Boxer has that super-armor bug... Abel and Gief too!

This post has been edited by rawfish: Mar 11 2009, 02:18 AM

It's not focus cancel, it's super armor. And to be able to execute it you need kara-timing. I think this opens a new window of possibilities. But for example Abel, why would we want to QCF+PP into Ultra (absorb 1 hit then kara to Ultra), when Ultras work fine alone (pass through fireballs, reversals, negates attacks, etc)? The distance gained is so small unlike kara throws which add range up close.

Yes.. let's discuss! I find the super armor bug is something like parrying ala SF3:3S and should definitely provide frame advantage.. and is performed LIKE a kara throw. To the benefit of everyone (example = Boxer), it's like:



Hence I'm not sure if someone can perform it as a hit confirmation due to the small frame window needed. Waitaminute... Mike I see your point. If it absorbs a non-fireball hit only then the Ultra will come out, instantly punishing the opponent's poke.

I can think of a use now, as a 'safety net' for Ultras:

By doing this, if the enemy pokes, their hit is absorbed by Super Armor thus gets punished by the Ultra, which would only come out in this situation. Some Ultras have weak startups, like Abel's Heartless. Scenario: Abel does wake up Ultra against Gief's lariat, the lariat wins. If Abel does wake up QCF+PP to kara Ultra, he absorbs the 1st lariat hit then punishes Gief with Ultra. The only drawback is if you fail to Ultra you will eat a hefty 2-hit lariat with counter damage. Theory only k??

My main thoughts: is it WORTH the effort/risk? For your example Mike, if you can perform the Super Armor bug against the ryu/ken's low FK > hadouken blockstring, you can simply use Ultra anyway... which would come out as a Reversal.

For Gief, does his Ultra lose to Akuma's HP dragon punch? If he can absorb the 1st hit and proceed to Ultra it will be a nightmare - and hard to execute too. Not sure if you need to use EX Green Hand or EX 360K (far) for the Super Armor....

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Added on March 11, 2009, 11:48 amToo far for me, and I need to focus on real projects at work - more important than anything else

This post has been edited by rawfish: Mar 11 2009, 11:48 AM

I get what u mean. As a safety net for Ultras (like the lariat example above), it can be useful. For hit confirmation, too early to conclude anything but you need lightning reflexes (1-6 frame reaction timing). For random spam, it's godlike - imagine if the opponent blocks the EX move with armor just comes out. If he pokes and Armor activates.... bye bye

For neobita:


Interesting combos for your stylish needs

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Added on March 11, 2009, 12:40 pmSorry, I'm no longer selling any and none of my friends are selling anymore. Stick blackout for most places.. even region, due to overwhelming demand after SF4 came out. I forecast this will be for quite sometime due to global demand too. If you play the wait-and-see game it may take (my speculation) an average of 3-4 months as HORI/Mad Catz provides stock first to big US-based retail chains like Amazon and Game Stop. Sad but logic.

I recommend if you are serious with this game and would like to prepare yourself for KOFXII and/or Tekken 6 this mid/end-year, import one in from Play-Asia if they have stock. If you see one selling in shops for RM500 below, you may just need to give in to their demands as their price hike is still acceptable, looking at the overall shortage situation and expensive shipping if purchased online.

Or if you just want any arcade stick with 6/8-buttons layout you always look for a PS2 stick and buy a PS3-to-USB converter at several IT chain stores. For PC sticks with USB ports, bear in mind Sony will most likely have no drivers for those peripherals.

This post has been edited by rawfish: Mar 11 2009, 12:40 PM

ONLY Cammy

I don't know why the video is no longer available. But is was just a preview for her combos. Lotsa nice-looking but non-damaging combos and block-strings. The only thing worth noting is the FADC (from HK Drill's 1st hit) to "instant-jump dive kick", then land combo.. I saw a lot of those.

I finally had the time to watch Ties That Bind last night... her right boob got electro-groped by Viper

Ok, but focus cancel (FADC) doesn't have Super Armor properties - focus attack (FA) only does. But I get what you mean 100%

Getting back to the point, there are pros and cons. I had the luxury of time yesterday to try the bug out in Training Mode. I used Balrog (Boxer), with CPU Ryu spamming hadoukens. It's very easy with him, even on pad (assign PPP to one button):

(while expecting to absorb the Hadouken with EX Dash Punch), charge B, F, B+PPP (EX Dash Punch comes out & Hadouken is absorbed by its Armor properties) INSTANTLY push F+PPP/KKK for the Ultra to come out. The key is timing, if you assign PPP/KKK to a button it's easier - you just need to "piano tap" the 2 inputs in one sequence.

My conclusion, for now:
1) It's NOT practical if the intended result is to to punish a move spammer with an Ultra mid-screen away. Normal Ultra works fine.
2) In theory, even some Ultras lose to normal/Special moves when collided e.g. Gief's Lariat so MAYBE, by absorbing the 1st hit and we cancel into another move e.g. Ultra, you can punish Gief since the danger (Lariat) is out of the way.
3) Since cancelling does not take a stock off the initial EX move, instead of only using Ultras to punish we can use regular Specials. Example, Boxer faces Hadouken spammer mid-screen. Boxer does the bug but cancels EX Dash Punch to normal Dash Punch to absorb the fireball and hit its owner = NO SUPER METER IS USED
4) Works best for charge characters, as cancelling QCF motions take longer time for the stick to return to neutral state
5) In general: waste of time and NOT game-breaking. But it does give chars like Boxer more options (see #3)


I think it's because we all share the same passion for SF, some prefer casual banter and some prefer in-depth discussions? I admire your patience unlocking the chars. I got mine the shameless and easy way out method: play arcade mode on easiest setting on 1-round matches.

lykiat, there can be many other types of discussions too, like sharing combos, tactics against specific characters, character weaknesses/strengths, good/bad matchups, discussions on high-level videos, safe/punishable moves, block strings (sequence of attacks to bombard the opponent), bugs, game system, experience online, etc - all i can think of now

As long what you're doing brings out the entertainment value and joy, is fulfilling and rewarding, you're already there eh? Don't let anyone else tell you different. Unless I've reached a certain level of BP, the quality of my random Ranked/Player matches are bad too. I've met people who don't know how to win fairly, or even lose gracefully. Heck, even some of the people here are like that but thank goodness it's not any of the Remixers. Best playing with them

Darkstalker,

Hadouken spamming was an EXAMPLE of the need to get close.

And I don't think I am being forgetful - applying pressure for certain characters I agree, as with providing options to get close. I'm just not comfortable with certain risks as most EX moves can still be easily punished. Plus the possibility of wasting precious meter, unless it's part of the character's gameplay. Everything's character-specific and right now at this point, everything's much possible. This opens a new window for more character exploration.

I spent over 2 hours last night just toying with this bug and even with successful execution I do not find the joy or excitement for its potential. Perhaps I am looking at a different are now. It's definitely not too rewarding nor game-breaking like the CvS2 kara-roll, or 3S Gouki's kara (Raging) Demon.

Bro I hope you get your console soon - best of luck! I am sure many people will queue up to fight you.

Stuffing crossups with the bug is a very good thought! As level 1 Focus Atks don't have Super Armor... but is an execution nightmare!

Roll Cancel - urghh. Hope SF4 doesn't go this direction and even if it did, there's always a PSN/Live patch for home consoles.

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Added on March 12, 2009, 12:15 pmHere's a good article to read - spend my lunch hour reading this.
IGN Presents the History of Street Fighter



This post has been edited by rawfish: Mar 12 2009, 12:17 PM

wooo.. how is the network connection - any lag? easy to get smooth games?

Btw, to everyone here - heads up on the mini-tourney by Alan @ Myscififan/Outpost:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=24153250

Most likely I will be going to look-see look-see as I am free. If mike, neobita, lykiat, darkstalker, fruitlet, fremont, squall (sorry to those who i left out) go then better still.

FYI, other events this weekend? MATTA Fair... or the customary weekend riots by the Opposition, HINDRAF, etc.

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Added on March 12, 2009, 1:24 pmMore info on the Mad Catz gear:
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2009/mar/11/...ontrollers-way/



The TE stick SHOULD be made accessible to everyone and should not be restricted to being limited. Those who ordered through Play-Asia, it still states expected arrival date to be Mar, 2009. I expect it to change to Apr, 2009 this month end. Damn, even those who ordered through Capcom's site have to wait, while Amazon/GameStop gets the goods

This post has been edited by rawfish: Mar 12 2009, 01:24 PM

Hey Victor - hang in there man. I have no doubt you will make your road to return paved with fire hehe.

I left the scene after Alpha3, as with most guys. Then returned for 3S before the scene went dead. Did not play Tekken though liked to watch you guys play.

Good luck later on, neobita. Hope you can give us a report on the SACC Mall tournament.