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DIY T-Amp User V2, TA2020 AIR CORES!, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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post Nov 28 2008, 09:25 PM

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Ah..its always normal proceedure for me to check properly before paying. I would hate going there just to get a replacement. BTW, almost every shop I've been would allow you the most inaccurate or malfunctioning meter for your checking. Cheh!. Bring my own and trust it!
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post Nov 28 2008, 09:29 PM

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ok, you don't trust them or their meters! laugh.gif
I'll make a note on that! biggrin.gif
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post Nov 28 2008, 09:43 PM

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A Malaysian made mentality in business.......untung first customer later...
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post Nov 28 2008, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Nov 28 2008, 09:29 PM)
ok, you don't trust them or their meters! laugh.gif
I'll make a note on that! biggrin.gif
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How to trust lah?. The meters (referring to analog ones) are so inaccurate or may not deflect to full scale (due to weak batteries). You go try and you tell me. Those meters are there perhaps for formality.
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post Nov 28 2008, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Nov 28 2008, 08:25 PM)
You're one unlucky bloke! tongue.gif You have my sympathy ler..
I have bought many pots from JP.. so far they're ok. Guess I am lucky wink.gif
You gotta be careful where you buy stuffs in JP. My stuffs mostly from NIXIE. My next alternative choice would be MAPLIN. Now that your ALPS is on the way..

SMD replacement is no minor mod. Ugly or not, its not about looks, its about SQ. Its gonna be in a box/casing anyway. You worry about how your T-Amp looks? laugh.gif
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I both all these pots from Jln Landak. 3 pots from RE, only 1 works. 1 from Nixie and doesn't last..ALPS is here in Malaysia but not with me cry.gif

I will not get any box so soon as I have another project (CD63) that need to finish up. Therefore look is quite important when the amp is still naked. I will be bring this amp to test with my client (also hifi kaki) setup in Penang next month and I sure don't want to scare him away with all those resistor sticking out tongue.gif On SQ, I had my friend tested Y.C. T-Amp many weeks ago (thanks Y.C.) and he finally got 1 for himself. He is a very satisfied man now that he find our Malaysian singer Nora much livelier.


Added on November 28, 2008, 11:11 pm
QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Nov 28 2008, 09:19 PM)
Mixed up parts sometimes happen..
Never brought my own DMM, but if you ask for it, they will lend you one. One shop even offered the DMM if I want to use.. tongue.gif

Normally those cheap passive components, I will buy X2! Just for spares.. and stock up.

So far I have been lucky.. wink.gif
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Gabanyayaya, instead of multimeter, we should bring bro jazzy to buy parts from JP/JL(andak) tongue.gif
I think for my case, it is quite difficult to measure with an analog multimeter. 50K pot and if there is a slight few hundred ohm diff, analog multimeter might not be able to detect it. The only DMM I got is Rapport and I sure won't bring it there as it will make me look like meter reading man from TNB tongue.gif


Added on November 28, 2008, 11:15 pm
QUOTE(bsl555 @ Nov 28 2008, 09:13 PM)
Errr.. you can get unlucky on other components too..like other value resistors accidently mixed up with the actual values you want. Thats why I bring my own multimeter and magnifying glass. My eyesight ain't all that good nowadays.
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As mentioned before, the quality is so much diff during my college days...I wouldn't mind paying extra if the quality is good. Hope Farnell was like last time where to stock the parts locally.

This post has been edited by cyl1000: Nov 28 2008, 11:15 PM
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post Nov 28 2008, 11:20 PM

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Do they really still use those analogue multimeter(sunwa)?
Ok, maybe tomorrow I'll give it a shot! What the heck, just for fun! laugh.gif

QUOTE(bsl555 @ Nov 28 2008, 09:46 PM)
How to trust lah?. The meters (referring to analog ones) are so inaccurate or may not deflect to full scale (due to weak batteries). You go try and you tell me. Those meters are there perhaps for formality.
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post Nov 28 2008, 11:50 PM

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Gabanyayaya, instead of multimeter, we should bring bro jazzy to buy parts from JP/JL(andak)  tongue.gif 
I think for my case, it is quite difficult to measure with an analog multimeter. 50K pot and if there is a slight few hundred ohm diff, analog multimeter might not be able to detect it. The only DMM I got is Rapport and I sure won't bring it there as it will make me look like meter reading man from TNB  tongue.gif
cyl1000 you don't know yet...!!!! jazzy is a tour guide to JP...just hop-in to his bus and he'll be showing you site seeing all shops which sells 'jewels' in JP smile.gif

jazzy i hope the pot you bought for me is A-OK
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post Nov 28 2008, 11:54 PM

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gabanyayaya,
I have a bunch of pots in my spares box.. no need to buy any ler.. tongue.gif
What value are you looking for? 50K? 100K?
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post Nov 29 2008, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Nov 29 2008, 12:54 AM)
gabanyayaya,
I have a bunch of pots in my spares box.. no need to buy any ler.. tongue.gif
What value are you looking for? 50K? 100K?
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100k...maybe....hope the quality for that last..... tongue.gif
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post Nov 29 2008, 12:06 AM

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I have several.. last bought from NIXIE at RM4.50 each! Now two has been used, one for Junior's T-Amp(buffered), one in my buffer pre-amp.. so far so good! thumbup.gif
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post Nov 29 2008, 12:39 AM

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i do not have volume pot now...since most of the time i control it via the soundcard level.

is it a must to have a physical volume pot for the t amp?

im going to order a bunch of 0.1uF 5% film cap to replace the SMDs
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post Nov 29 2008, 12:44 AM

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CYL, you sure are unlucky or been extremely critical of JP volume pots. Lai and I also bought ours from RE Spares but there is no problem so far. You already changed the input and power buffer caps? What caps did you opt for? How's the SQ so far?

If you feel the presence of discreet resistors and caps would make your T-amp board look ugly, you could instead opt for better grade SMDs from Vishay or others which are available at Farnell. Bsl is right that changing SMDs to discreet components would dirty up the sound and increase distortion figures. I would not be worried with that myself as that is exactly my aim here. Most critics of T-amp find it too clean-sounding and some of us here do know that absolute accuracy, neutrality and sounding clean could not be equated with musicality and ultimate music enjoyment. Tonal colour is important and should music lovers worry too much about dirty sound and distortion figures, many of them would not have ventured into "valves and vinyl".

I am happy your friend got himself a T-amp too. One more guy converted, who is next? tongue.gif

QUOTE(cyl1000 @ Nov 28 2008, 07:23 PM)
Apart from the two caps, what minor mods can be done to further improve the sound? Getting bigger resistors/caps to replace those SMD will make the T-Amp look ugly  tongue.gif
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post Nov 29 2008, 12:45 AM

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No physical pot necessary. Your soundcard level control would be sufficient.

Where are you ordering those caps?

QUOTE(Monkey King @ Nov 29 2008, 12:39 AM)
i do not have volume pot now...since most of the time i control it via the soundcard level.

is it a must to have a physical volume pot for the t amp?

im going to order a bunch of 0.1uF 5% film cap to replace the SMDs
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post Nov 29 2008, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Nov 29 2008, 12:45 AM)
No physical pot necessary. Your soundcard level control would be sufficient.

Where are you ordering those caps?
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either farnell or RS...

now the option is... to replace it with SMD or typical film ones
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post Nov 29 2008, 01:35 AM

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Now, that is your call! laugh.gif
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post Nov 29 2008, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Nov 29 2008, 12:06 AM)
I have several.. last bought from NIXIE at RM4.50 each! Now two has been used, one for Junior's T-Amp(buffered), one in my buffer pre-amp.. so far so good! thumbup.gif
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Initially the pot from Nixie is ok but after sometime, the problem start. I've even tried a little contact cleaner (I thought my environment is very dirty tongue.gif ) but still the same...Like I say before, no need DMM, just bring you along tongue.gif
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Again,
It's also 'luck' even with parts from NIXIE!
Even at NIXIE they have 'real' stuffs and 'cheaper' stuffs of the same brand.. use the sentence, 'saya mau original punya!'. laugh.gif

A story.
I bought a relay from NIXIE. Went home tested it, it was great. The following week I went again to get another one bringing in the sample. Now the price is RM2 higher! I asked why, the guy said 'this is original'. WTF? I bought a 'not-ori' last week? Comparing physically the two items to my surprised, the 'not-ori' one looks better with better finish. Since I already bought a 'non-ori' one, I might as well bought another one! laugh.gif

What's intriguing is that both the stuffs sits in the same tray! I asked the guy how he knows which is the ori ones.. he just laugh!
If he messed up, I got the real one at 'non-ori' price! rclxms.gif

Not a peace of mind, huh? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Y.C. @ Nov 29 2008, 12:44 AM)
CYL, you sure are unlucky or been extremely critical of JP volume pots. Lai and I also bought ours from RE Spares but there is no problem so far. You already changed the input and power buffer caps? What caps did you opt for? How's the SQ so far?

If you feel the presence of discreet resistors and caps would make your T-amp board look ugly, you could instead opt for better grade SMDs from Vishay or others which are available at Farnell. Bsl is right that changing SMDs to discreet components would dirty up the sound and increase distortion figures. I would not be worried with that myself as that is exactly my aim here. Most critics of T-amp find it too clean-sounding and some of us here do know that absolute accuracy, neutrality and sounding clean could not be equated with musicality and ultimate music enjoyment. Tonal colour is important and should music lovers worry too much about dirty sound and distortion figures, many of them would not have ventured into "valves and vinyl". 

I am happy your friend got himself a T-amp too. One more guy converted, who is next?  tongue.gif
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Actually the price I'm paying for JP/JL pots is too good to complain but when the pots keep failing, just imagine the frustration...though I'm unlucky with the ports but I'm lucky that I found T-amp tongue.gif

For the caps, I've use the recommended MKT1822 and Panasonic FC 470uF. The SQ, not really run in yet and it is left idle as the L+R channel is not balance now.

For discrete upgrade, can you guys comment more on its sonic improvement? How much different does it make with SMD..Do you like it with discrete? Since its picking up noise, the result would be different for each of us...if it is not to our liking, hard to revert back unless spend another RM55 and time to run in the T-amp again...
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post Nov 29 2008, 09:00 AM

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cyl100,
There's some postings in V1 with regards to SQ of the SMD replacements( I think). I did it and there's looking back. BTW I am still using the F-ELNA for my input caps. So far they have been good! biggrin.gif
Will wait if they're gonna wear out, hope not! I have other caps standing by in position..
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i would choose SMD components at the same value and grade with the replacement ones, although is much cheaper, but the soldering skill required for soldering SMD is real KUNG FU...

or maybe in the end i need to get a professional soldering station biggrin.gif

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