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post Nov 28 2008, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Nov 28 2008, 07:00 PM)
Dang.. been bz with work today n no time to follow up with Resort news. i just set queue buy at 2.28 but no match.
After came beck, chk my email got warning news about resorts from my remiser.
RED Alert!!!!!!

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From my view, by looking at the RSI chart, the price could be down some more and maybe could breach RM2.00. The right time to buy if the RSI break 30, but you also need to look at the market sentiment.

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0651 GMT [Dow Jones] STOCK CALL: Credit Suisse downgrades Resorts World (4715.KU) to Underperform from Outperform, cuts target price to MYR1.80 from MYR3.55. Notes Resorts plans to acquire 10% equity interest in US-based Walker Digital but "we fail to see the merits of its related party proposal and, hence, remain wary of how Resorts will invest its sizable cash pile." Adds management unable to provide assurance cash would not be spent on any more related party transactions. Although Resorts outperformed market by 18% in past 3 months, reckons corporate governance concerns could weigh down future performance. Warns foreign shareholdings relatively high, 37% as of end-September; "we think the stock could overshoot on the downside." Shares down 4.5% at MYR2.33. (PVA)
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Dun shoot now... very dangerous.... foreign shareholders 37% maybe dumping their shares.
Not sure whether this Credit Suisse trying to scares off normal shareholder to sell off their shares at a low price..
Be careful.

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this piece of news made me pening .
If there's any EGM or AGM coming, you guys should try to attend if your time permits you. The people's voice is usually great. Should voice out if we think something is not right.
But if you guys managed to sell-off with profit then its another matter.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 28 2008, 06:28 PM)
Sime Darby Q1 net profit up 44% to RM867m

KUALA LUMPUR: Sime Darby Bhd posted net profit of RM867mil, up 44% from RM601.27mil a year ago, boosted by plantations.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...58&sec=business
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Damn.... Looks like can't grab SIME at a low price.....

QUOTE(viper88 @ Nov 28 2008, 07:00 PM)
Dang.. been bz with work today n no time to follow up with Resort news. i just set queue buy at 2.28 but no match.
After came beck, chk my email got warning news about resorts from my remiser.
RED Alert!!!!!!

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From my view, by looking at the RSI chart, the price could be down some more and maybe could breach RM2.00. The right time to buy if the RSI break 30, but you also need to look at the market sentiment.

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0651 GMT [Dow Jones] STOCK CALL: Credit Suisse downgrades Resorts World (4715.KU) to Underperform from Outperform, cuts target price to MYR1.80 from MYR3.55. Notes Resorts plans to acquire 10% equity interest in US-based Walker Digital but "we fail to see the merits of its related party proposal and, hence, remain wary of how Resorts will invest its sizable cash pile." Adds management unable to provide assurance cash would not be spent on any more related party transactions. Although Resorts outperformed market by 18% in past 3 months, reckons corporate governance concerns could weigh down future performance. Warns foreign shareholdings relatively high, 37% as of end-September; "we think the stock could overshoot on the downside." Shares down 4.5% at MYR2.33. (PVA)
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Dun shoot now... very dangerous.... foreign shareholders 37% maybe dumping their shares.
Not sure whether this Credit Suisse trying to scares off normal shareholder to sell off their shares at a low price..
Be careful.

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I see..... hmmm.... let's see how it goes, might want to get a bit more if it drops really low.... hmm.gif
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[quote=kmarc,Nov 28 2008, 06:22 PM]Wah! You really have lots of bullets.... for this month, my ammo already half gone...

Looking at resort's trend, I think Genting will follow suit - drop another 1-2 days then stabilize at a new price......
Noob question - How to check how much dividend a company was giving previously?  hmm.gif

If Resorts giving peanuts dividend, then I want to sell when the price goes up!  smile.gif
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Added on November 28, 2008, 7:51 pm[quote=cherroy,Nov 28 2008, 03:56 PM]
Resort is cash rich while casino and hotelier business in Genting Highland are still profitable, just may suffer some minor drop in the near future due to economy slowdown. It is still a highly profitable business.

But for Genting, it is different scenario, UK casinos are bleeding businesses until now, Singapore casino profitable issue still unknown, while need massive capital injection for the construction of it and Genting needs to raise significant amount of borrowing for it.
But in distance future, if Singapore casino indeed a very profitable business, then Genting might be better than resort.
Genting is considered a growth and high risk stock currently compared to Resort.

But Resorts has its own issue as well, cash rich but doesn't want to reward their shareholders, if the company keep on holding the cash forever, while give peanut dividend to shareholders, then those cash rich is meaningless to shareholders as well.
At the mean time,recent acquistion doesn't well received by the shareholders and market.
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That LKThay tak guna and kiam-siap,
he should pass the baton to someone else!

This post has been edited by sharesa: Nov 28 2008, 07:51 PM
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post Nov 28 2008, 08:29 PM

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I do not Think Junior Lim is Kiam Saip, he fairly rewards the CEO with very attractive pay package.

The cash pile in Resort and Asiatic are stand by emergency funds for Genting, just in case .

In a way, it is unfair to both resort and Asiatic minority shareholders.

I do not think FF like it very much ( the ways they are treated ).

The recent buy up of US companies are good indication of how cash piles could be used.

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Nov 28 2008, 06:22 PM)
Noob question - How to check how much dividend a company was giving previously?  hmm.gif

If Resorts giving peanuts dividend, then I want to sell when the price goes up!  smile.gif
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26-Sep-08 Interim 3¢
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26-Sep-07 Interim 2.88¢
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Before 1:5 split
29-Sep-06 Interim 12¢
29-Jun-06 Final 14¢
30-Sep-05 Interim 10¢
04-Jul-05 Final 11¢
30-Sep-04 Interim 9¢

So dividend yield still lower than FD rate. sweat.gif doh.gif
By so called holding a cash rich company share. yawn.gif

QUOTE(sharesa @ Nov 28 2008, 07:49 PM)
That LKThay kiam-siap,

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Company not actually kiam-siap, he is actually one of the highest paid CEO.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 28 2008, 08:42 PM
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Malaysia’s economy expanded at a slower pace of 4.7% in the third quarter (Q3) compared with 6.7% in the second quarter (Q2) due to the sharp deterioration in the global economic and international financial environment.

Seems like we are doing all right, till now... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 28 2008, 08:51 PM)
Malaysia’s economy expanded at a slower pace of 4.7% in the third quarter (Q3) compared with 6.7% in the second quarter (Q2) due to the sharp deterioration in the global economic and international financial environment.

Seems like we are doing all right, till now... rclxms.gif
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It does not give a good indication of how our CEOs are doing.

Country likes Singapore tends to benefit from Malaysia poor managements.
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Economy expands 4.7% in Q3

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia’s economy expanded at a slower pace of 4.7% in the third quarter (Q3) compared with 6.7% in the second quarter (Q2) due to the sharp deterioration in the global economic and international financial environment.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...51&sec=business
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 28 2008, 08:54 PM)
It does not give a good indication of how our CEOs are doing.

Country likes Singapore tends to benefit from Malaysia poor managements.
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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 28 2008, 08:57 PM)
Relax, that's part of life. Sometime we just can't help in the change. Maybe change take time tongue.gif
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Well, IOI is changing towards investors friendly.

The share has more upside than Genting group.

Just my 2sen.

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post Nov 28 2008, 09:19 PM

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I chk with my remiser just now, he told me the oversea company Resort want to acquire have direct interest with their director, one of th the company is only about 2 year in operation. This
creates doubt n fear of mismanagement of the company $$$$$. Alot shareholders especially foreign shareholder sell off their share after this news out. REsort share will still volatile in the coming weeks and its next strong support level about rm2.

My remiser doubt Resort will go down too much due to its big cash. Its only a matter of time Resort will go up back.

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Nov 28 2008, 07:44 PM)
Damn.... Looks like can't grab SIME at a low price.....
I see..... hmmm.... let's see how it goes, might want to get a bit more if it drops really low....  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 28 2008, 09:01 PM)
Well, IOI is changing towards investors friendly.

The share has more upside than Genting group.

Just my 2sen.
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Today IOI also buy back quite heavily...
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post Nov 28 2008, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Nov 28 2008, 09:19 PM)
I chk with my remiser just now, he told me the oversea company Resort want to acquire have direct interest with their director, one of th the company is only about 2 year in operation. This
creates doubt n fear of mismanagement of the company $$$$$. Alot shareholders especially foreign shareholder sell off their share after this news out. REsort share will still volatile in the coming weeks and its next strong support level about rm2.

My remiser doubt Resort will go down too much due to its big cash. Its only a matter of time Resort will go up back.

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yeah....but today and yesterday's drop enough to put me in fears and tears.....
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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 28 2008, 09:22 PM)
Today IOI also buy back quite heavily...
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Well, IOI is climbing up to see bro Genting.

Genting is moving down to see his junior bro IOI.

They could meet somewhere in RM 3++.

Could me if I am wrong. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 28 2008, 08:40 PM)
26-Sep-08    Interim 3¢
26-Jun-08     Final 3.6¢
26-Sep-07    Interim 2.88¢
25-Jun-07     Final 3¢

Before 1:5 split 
29-Sep-06    Interim 12¢
29-Jun-06     Final 14¢
30-Sep-05    Interim 10¢
04-Jul-05      Final 11¢
30-Sep-04    Interim 9¢

So dividend yield still lower than FD rate.  sweat.gif  doh.gif
By so called holding a cash rich company share.  yawn.gif
Company not actually kiam-siap, he is actually one of the highest paid CEO.
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Hmmmm... so low dividend.... if that is the case, will sell this counter when and IF it goes up.... smile.gif

Thanx for the info but where did you get that info? Wanna check other company's dividend history too. Any good links?


Added on November 28, 2008, 9:44 pm
QUOTE(viper88 @ Nov 28 2008, 09:19 PM)
I chk with my remiser just now, he told me the oversea company Resort want to acquire have direct interest with their director, one of th the company is only about 2 year in operation. This
creates doubt n fear of mismanagement of the company $$$$$. Alot shareholders especially foreign shareholder sell off their share after this news out. REsort share will still volatile in the coming weeks and its next strong support level about rm2.

My remiser doubt Resort will go down too much due to its big cash. Its only a matter of time Resort will go up back.

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Aikes... looks like it will drop more.... sweat.gif

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Just a comparison.

When people buy 4D with ten of ringgit or hundred of ringgit per week, they are not in fear at all.
But how come people invest in stock market, so fear about the market?

You invest 5K, it doesn't mean you will lose 5K, lose 30-50% already is seems very severe on those good fundamental stock which generally happens once to twice in a decade only. But as long as one doesn't sell, then those loss is not realised. So if you holding stock is a well managed and fundamental sound, then 98% of chance, it will rise back afterwards, may be not now, or next months, but could be 3-4 years down the road.

But those buy 4D, loss 100% and realised every week, also no fear. Those buying constantly buying 4D every week, a lot of them over a year will accumulate as much as a few K.
So losses might equivalent to those loss in stock market (which is not yet realised). But the later party (stock market) full with fear, while the earlier party (4D) with no fear at all, but full of hope. How ironic and bizzare the human behaviour is. laugh.gif

Just my 2 cents, nothing to do with any specific stock discussion.





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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 28 2008, 09:45 PM)
Just a comparison.

When people buy 4D with ten of ringgit or hundred of ringgit per week, they are not in fear at all.
But how come people invest in stock market, so fear about the market?

You invest 5K, it doesn't mean you will lose 5K, lose 30-50% already is seems very severe on those good fundamental stock which generally happens once to twice in a decade only. But as long as one doesn't sell, then those loss is not realised. So if you holding stock is a well managed and fundamental sound, then 98% of chance, it will rise back afterwards, may be not now, or next months, but could be 3-4 years down the road.

But those buy 4D, loss 100% and realised every week, also no fear. Those buying constantly buying 4D every week, a lot of them over a year will accumulate as much as a few K.
So losses might equivalent to those loss in stock market (which is not yet realised). But the later party (stock market) full with fear, while the earlier party (4D) with no fear at all, but full of hope. How ironic and bizzare the human behaviour is.  laugh.gif

Just my 2 cents, nothing to do with any specific stock discussion.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 28 2008, 09:45 PM)
Just a comparison.

When people buy 4D with ten of ringgit or hundred of ringgit per week, they are not in fear at all.
But how come people invest in stock market, so fear about the market?

You invest 5K, it doesn't mean you will lose 5K, lose 30-50% already is seems very severe on those good fundamental stock which generally happens once to twice in a decade only. But as long as one doesn't sell, then those loss is not realised. So if you holding stock is a well managed and fundamental sound, then 98% of chance, it will rise back afterwards, may be not now, or next months, but could be 3-4 years down the road.

But those buy 4D, loss 100% and realised every week, also no fear. Those buying constantly buying 4D every week, a lot of them over a year will accumulate as much as a few K.
So losses might equivalent to those loss in stock market (which is not yet realised). But the later party (stock market) full with fear, while the earlier party (4D) with no fear at all, but full of hope. How ironic and bizzare the human behaviour is.  laugh.gif

Just my 2 cents, nothing to do with any specific stock discussion.
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But people who buys 4D hopes (against all odds) that their ten dollar betting could bring returns of more than 10000% INSTANTLY and therefor view 100% lost of capital as acceptable.

Where as if you buy stocks, it's common to lose or gain 20-30% in 10-20years even if u are lucky (Law of average, since it's impossible gain or lose every time)

Just my 2 cents.

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QUOTE(yang yang @ Nov 28 2008, 06:11 PM)
dude...long term... but if market drop to let say 700 points...maybe zealan is 0.50??? like to hear your opinion.
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