1) armory me, or look at my DI recruitment thread (8 pages already) before you post this pile of crap
2) im only lacking S4 weapons and shoulders, and they dont make a HUGE difference in actual battle.
3) read #1
4) with SK statistics posted, are you stupid or blind? take a pick.
5) except now we're comparing warrior vs rogue so druid's out of the picture. and EVEN THAT, warrior x druid > rogue x druid. if you have the slightest clue on WoW PVP, you should know the answer already.
6) because rogues are viable now unlike s1-2 where theres almost no rogues that 5v5? get a clue already.
7) then there shouldnt be any problems when WE LOL @ you since we're apparently lol'ing at our thoughts and expressing it now is there?

yeah if really is those tm hardware fault, then u r able to claim bac ur loses or solve it. Atleast u know wat happen and who should b responsible. I came across a fren of mine, his office streamyx nvr meet the 75% performance and dc like hell. So in the end, tmnut refund wat he pay and free 1 years of wireless broadband services. if u dun like tm, then switch to other isp then.

yea cept nothing is done because its tmnut. which adds in more frustration. but after few years of complaining, anyone would get sick and tired of it and just get used to it. cant count how many 30 rating loss because my team had to 1v2/2v3/4v5 with me dropping off for no reason.

of course, i can switch, if there is ALTERNATIVES available. see, my area got jaring recently, but my problem is the copper line backbone and/or the exchange. jaring will use the SAME phone copper line, and worse, the exchange is FURTHER from tmnut's AFAIK. so wouldnt switching over be making me a REALLY happy man than i already am? /endsarcasm

1) "As for Helljoker...No, what quaza said is not what u meant. Stop tailcoating quaza. "- Wow u can actually read my mind..awsome!!!

2) "Dont tell me u arena....and make me lol at u again." - u actually armory me?? lol, yes I stop arena since i found that lagging in arena makes my life shorter, and do you know there're season for arena??...lol...i doubt that......soo...lol at urself..

3)"Other classes are affected too if u dont notice. Maybe go into a few arena games then we discuss?" - did I said tmnut doesn't affect other class, i just said it does affect rogue that's it, plz do not put word in my mouth and plz lol to ur self now,

4) "Did I post any witty 12 yr old comment like you who thinks that leveling to 70 is a great achievement coz Blizz just gave u an achievement acomplishment? by the way ur ding to 70 acomplishment is just 1 out of thousnads of it....jeez... whats next? I am a nub coz i did not explore kalimdor or fall 65 yrds(?) without dying?
Did I doubt you ever played wow?" - did i said anything bout achievement?? are u stupid or retarded??

5)"Tell me which part of the rogue abilities that I comment is wrong that makes me looks like a fool?? Oh of coz the sap part....but I really doubt u know there is a sap button in ur spell book. Ebay much my friend?" - lol @ U,u make a mistake and now u doubt that I doesn't lvl my own rogue??...lol...that doesn't make sense to me...again... are u stupid or retarded??

+ All the NAMES of the rogue abilities that u said are correct, we can simply wiki it,
while you just go details on the sap ability and ur assumption is wrong,
sooo...we only able to lol at what u comment bout sap, again...that makes you look like a fool

This post has been edited by HellJoker: Nov 6 2008, 02:11 PM

lol quaza,

u are funny.

(1) We are saying about lag and I lol at rogues complaining
(2) Then I brought in warrior in the lag equation coz they are worst off in bad lag situation vs rogue with less abilities to run away from fights due to lag
(3) The u bronght in warriors wtfpwn u in S4, cool downs into discussion and link up a pile of statistic. After that u tell me u are well geared and get pwn by well gear warriors coz of lag or what I dont know, because u said it was overpower and execution that killed u. Later u said u have it fairly easy coz of ur gear. So now rogues like helljoker should say is gear issue not lag?? Where are we going at man??? U got me confused.
(4) I interpret the statistic in a way that u do not agree and u said i am blind, Then u said we should not factor in the druids coz we are comparing warriors vs rogue....but druid is the main factor of your statistic. If take that out, ur statistic = the pile of crap u are posting? Fair comment? haha. Also to make things clear we are talking about lag affects a certain class more or warrior vs rogue and to be specific should we break it down to arena/bg/pve and talent trees so we are on the same page?
(5) Then u say druid + warrior > druid + rogue. I told you that already. Go reread my post. U requote me and ask if I have the slightest clue.....
(6) Then u bring in your sob stories about S1-2 no rogues....can u bring in the huntards for this discussion? Better still tell me about the RET PALLIES now haha!!! I said rouges can fit in better in the 3v3 and 5v5 category. Again u quote me and ask me to recheck my head.
(7) Did i lol at ur thoughts? U imagining things? did i say there is a problem that u lol at my thoughts and tell u that u r a nub, challage u that u dont have a wow account? Jeez all this elitist attitude.

By the way what is there to look at ur recruitment post? u mean the part of u guys do Arena / BG and World PvP or the part that mostly u talking to urself in there?
I can start a thread and keep talking to myself there to get to 8 pages, no big deal. If you are refering to world pvp then I might be wrong. But again maybe u do go out and whack newbies to stroke ur epeen as stated in the reason u go bgs. By the way what sort of world pvp events u guys do? (just curious)

Seriously quaza u might be an above average arena player but ur logical argument is a bit way off. Also your elitist attitude is blinding you to most discussion you are in.

o jesus, tis is out of topic.... arent we talking about pvp-ing wif msia line??

well well, it happens as always when talking bout pvp stuff here, sure derail... lollerskates...

its fun to read those debates between the so-called pro-pvpers, than in-game bg or arena...

sometimes i read til like

1) and i(we) lol at you too for bringing in warrior
2) and ive mentioned the fact that rogues abilities are all cooldowns, and point is that they arent always available, nor do they guarantee your escape. lagging or not.
3) YOU brought in warriors in S4, I merely corrected you that im also in majoritily S4. and no, never in this thread have i mentioned me getting pwned, with or without lag minus that warrior bit. get your comprehension abilities right.
4) so your selecting "retard" then? they are statistics for a reason. and EVEN IF you factor in druids, warrior still > rogue, so why bother? unless of course ur too stupid to realize that. but then again, at least ur honest for realizing it, i guess.
5) read #4
6) you're the one who critisize me for goin off topic and bringing in other unneccesary elements, but you yourself kept bringing in extras like druids, and now, hunters and retdins. who are you trying to flame/critisize? me? or yourself?
7) so now you have a problem with us lol'ing@ you? fine. dont b**** and whine when ur doing the same then, cuz last i check, if you have no such problems, you wouldnt be replying my posts in the first damn place, elitist or not.

apparently you've never gone through the initial pages where its more than just bumps huh? again, get ur facts straight, before you run your pathetic mouth (or hands, in this case)

i may or may not be an above avg arena player, nor is my argument, but thing is clear and thats your replies are:

elitist or not.

and im not the only one in agreement to that, apparently.

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Added on November 6, 2008, 3:34 pmnot good? now we got some materials rolling

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Added on November 6, 2008, 3:34 pmhey, something to read is better than nothing aye?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 6 2008, 03:34 PM

lol sumtimes me too
ok bac to topic, pvp-ing wif msia line sure got lag a, spike a, or delay a. No matter how u tunnel it still got abit 1....
unless u shift to US or stay nex to the server XD.... anyway, jus my 2 cents ^^

california, where the majority of wow servers are at, and blizz hq. almost guaranteed 10-40ms ping.

Ok since u have problem going on a discussion I will break it down for you to understand clearly.......rogues...sigh

1) and i(we) lol at you too for bringing in warrior
(Yes I broght in warrior stating that lags affect them more IMO. and u tell me I fail as a warrior coz warrior can overpower /execute you. No/Yes? (select one quaza the rest is a challange for you)


2) and ive mentioned the fact that rogues abilities are all cooldowns, and point is that they arent always available, nor do they guarantee your escape. lagging or not.
If anything guarentees your escape would it be imbalance? Cooldowns in PVP makes or break a game. Not only rogues have cool downs. Warriors depends on them too but overpower is a proc due to rogue's dodge, Sudden death is a proc too so u putting THE (as u put it 1 warrior only??) warrior beat u base on proc?
I am stating it base on rogues have better ability to get away from fight in a laggy situation. (agree? Yes/No?)

3) YOU brought in warriors in S4, I merely corrected you that im also in majoritily S4. and no, never in this thread have i mentioned me getting pwned, with or without lag minus that warrior bit. get your comprehension abilities right.
[from ur post] : warriors can own me as easily with overpower revenge SPAMS and lolsudden death. i couldnt count how many times i have 8k+ hp, warrior with 2k+, im basically owning him, and he sudden death me execute crit 7-8k and i died instead. FANTASTIC.
I said warrior as u put it...u said countless times......u mention warriors I mention warrior....I am wrong??

4) so your selecting "retard" then? they are statistics for a reason. and EVEN IF you factor in druids, warrior still > rogue, so why bother? unless of course ur too stupid to realize that. but then again, at least ur honest for realizing it, i guess.
Dont know who is the retard normally it is the retard calling ppl out (I said normally may not imply in this case) I agreed warrior > Rogue in 2v2 no? Help me understand this part i find it contradicting..my english not good.


5) read #4
You too :-)


6) you're the one who critisize me for goin off topic and bringing in other unneccesary elements, but you yourself kept bringing in extras like druids, and now, hunters and retdins. who are you trying to flame/critisize? me? or yourself?
Seriously quaza I find that u have issue in understand it...maybe I am too stupid to talk at ur level. U wanna bring in statistic to back ur argument but choose only warrior+rogue segment while ur statistic covers all classes? talking about tunnel vission.

7) so now you have a problem with us lol'ing@ you? fine. dont b**** and whine when ur doing the same then, cuz last i check, if you have no such problems, you wouldnt be replying my posts in the first damn place, elitist or not.
Which part of it saying I have a problem? Which part of it I b**** and whine? I am replying ur post coz I feel u are WRONG. If you tell me no I cannot express to you that I feel you are wrong then ok case close. Quaza champ wins. Btw as you stated and reasoned, since you are replying to my post are u b****ing and whinning? (is a question not a statement)

apparently you've never gone through the initial pages where its more than just bumps huh? again, get ur facts straight, before you run your pathetic mouth (or hands, in this case)
Err got clue into page what to speed up the process? last check pg 8,7,6 (i think) are still bumps and u advertising ur blogs....Initial pages are bumps too as u put it. ( I am not sure) so wild guess should be pg 4,5 ok will get on it champ!

i may or may not be an above avg arena player, nor is my argument, but thing is clear and thats your replies are:
lol nice one....

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Added on November 6, 2008, 4:16 pm1) "As for Helljoker...No, what quaza said is not what u meant. Stop tailcoating quaza. "- Wow u can actually read my mind..awsome!!!
Thanks man appreciate it...is a talent you not sure on anything about urself just let me know

2) "Dont tell me u arena....and make me lol at u again." - u actually armory me?? lol, yes I stop arena since i found that lagging in arena makes my life shorter, and do you know there're season for arena??...lol...i doubt that......soo...lol at urself..
Yeah I did. coz i thought u super leet and maybe can learn a point or two from you...so S4 now right? Which season u were in. Were you good? Curious how come quaza can arena to above average while if u arena ur life shorter?

3)"Other classes are affected too if u dont notice. Maybe go into a few arena games then we discuss?" - did I said tmnut doesn't affect other class, i just said it does affect rogue that's it, plz do not put word in my mouth and plz lol to ur self now,
Well, i am stating that coz of rogue complaining.....and i lol at rogues complaining about it u disagree as if you are the only one affected...so maybe i assump too much there..might be my bad.

4) "Did I post any witty 12 yr old comment like you who thinks that leveling to 70 is a great achievement coz Blizz just gave u an achievement acomplishment? by the way ur ding to 70 acomplishment is just 1 out of thousnads of it....jeez... whats next? I am a nub coz i did not explore kalimdor or fall 65 yrds(?) without dying?
Did I doubt you ever played wow?" - did i said anything bout achievement?? are u stupid or retarded??
form ur post : another LOA kid that never own a cap lvl rogue or even worse never play WOW before comment bout rogue...
Help me understand this if you did not say so....achievement part was meant to be a punt...but sigh...no sense of humor.....


5)"Tell me which part of the rogue abilities that I comment is wrong that makes me looks like a fool?? Oh of coz the sap part....but I really doubt u know there is a sap button in ur spell book. Ebay much my friend?" - lol @ U,u make a mistake and now u doubt that I doesn't lvl my own rogue??...lol...that doesn't make sense to me...again... are u stupid or retarded??
Mistake?? what mistake??? again fail at no sense of humor....

+ All the NAMES of the rogue abilities that u said are correct, we can simply wiki it,
while you just go details on the sap ability and ur assumption is wrong,
sooo...we only able to lol at what u comment bout sap, again...that makes you look like a fool
Yes! I definately wiki all of it....haha :-)
U actually took the details of the sap seriously???

This post has been edited by kuasacow: Nov 6 2008, 04:26 PM

ahhh...lotsa assumption and non stop trolling....
lazy to answer all ur question again coz that'll again further the trolling...
yada...yada....you're correct...u're the god....u're the best!!! ...yay....

darn....i cant help but just answer 1 of ur ques.....
lvl 70 warrior != lvl 70 rogue...u dont get it??...nvm...i thought so...

This post has been edited by HellJoker: Nov 6 2008, 04:29 PM

1) ctrl + f on my posts, and see if i got mention you being a failure at warrior. but hey, since you somehow want to be a failure (which i suppose you are then), feel free to go ahead.

2) if you have any sense of a clue in terms of WoW pvp (which obviously you dont), CDs dont make or break a game. and since you wanna blabber about CDs, all warrior op'ed cooldowns are now on 5min cooldown timer. and umm, considering you're talking so much crap about CD, do you know that one of the best tool against a warrior is evasion? but now, that CD kills said rogue thanks to 1 second overpower CD, and if you dont evasion, inc 3-4k MS crit/ 2-3k WW crit/ white swing crits/ bleeds bleeds bleeds, rng rng rng. your pick. and seriously, even without evasion, do you know how much DEFAULT dodge a cheatdeath rogue has (since you mention it)? since he'll be sub and will be gettin sinister calling. even without SC, do you know how much dodge a fully geared rogue has? you will take overpowers, and thats a fact. and no, not all rogues have sudden death, in fact, with patch 3.0, almost no rogues have sudden death.

3) MY post: YOU brought in warriors in S4, I merely corrected you that im also in majoritily S4. and no, never in this thread have i mentioned me getting pwned, with or without lag minus that warrior bit. get your comprehension abilities right.

warriors can own me as easily with overpower revenge SPAMS and lolsudden death. i couldnt count how many times i have 8k+ hp, warrior with 2k+, im basically owning him, and he sudden death me execute crit 7-8k and i died instead. FANTASTIC
L2read bold, i even gone through the effort to pin point it.

4) give me a few good reasons why i should help you in your english and maybe i will consider.

5) lacking rebuttals already? /sigh

6) and you dont find yourself being tunnel visioned to pointless additional classes? a rogue CAN partner with the classes you pointed out, yet why warrior is still above? as mentioned a number of times, get a clue already.

7) your entire posting = your b**** and whine = you have a problem with mine/others post. i mean, you wrote: "I am replying ur post coz I feel u are WRONG." after all, and you call that not a problem? and yeah, i do have a problem with your retarded posts. why else im replying? at least i had a clue on whats going on in terms of forum replies while you, sadly, dont.

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Added on November 6, 2008, 4:55 pmawww dont stop, only page3 D:

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 6 2008, 04:55 PM

OMFG, not again... *pff*

hi im a ret pally

300+ ms n u r still not happy.

either u live with it, or u give up playin

ahhh.....another 1 dont get it.....
life is full of miserable...deal with it helljoker....

Seriously CDs dont make or break an arena game???


if you have any sense of a clue in terms of WoW pvp (which obviously you dont), CDs dont make or break a game. and since you wanna blabber about CDs, all warrior op'ed cooldowns are now on 5min cooldown timer. and umm, considering you're talking so much crap about CD, do you know that one of the best tool against a warrior is evasion? but now, that CD kills said rogue thanks to 1 second overpower CD, and if you dont evasion, inc 3-4k MS crit/ 2-3k WW crit/ white swing crits/ bleeds bleeds bleeds, rng rng rng. your pick. and seriously, even without evasion, do you know how much DEFAULT dodge a cheatdeath rogue has (since you mention it)? since he'll be sub and will be gettin sinister calling. even without SC, do you know how much dodge a fully geared rogue has? you will take overpowers, and thats a fact. and no, not all rogues have sudden death, in fact, with patch 3.0, almost no rogues have sudden death.

What you are telling me from the above = best tools vs warrior is evasion...then if u pop it u get smashed by overpower and if sudden death proc u get executed. If not u get MS / bleed / whirlwind CRIT CRIT CRIT to death....(wah so many crit) Dodge also die dont dodge also die??? So meet warrior how? commit suicide??? If this is the case then go talk to blizz NERF the warriors back to stone age!!!!

sorry for pointing out ur faults and no need to go emo on me...enjoy ur elitist nerdrage then.

Ultimate conculsion :
Quaza's statement is the truth nothing else matters
If you disagree u are a retard
If you disagree more u are a retarded whining and b****ing cluless nub

Ok not posting anymore as it is getting derailed.

go DIAF kthx lulz

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Added on November 6, 2008, 6:13 pmare you even playing the game? im going to say no.

anyways, at least you made a pretty interesting conclusion, disappointing that you're not posting anymore though.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 6 2008, 06:13 PM

Hey kuasa no point talking to this quazacolt guy man. See what happenend when i said almost the same thing "i said try pvping with a warrior much harder to deal with in terms of lag issues and all" and then the next thing i get was i quote quazacolt: are you stupid. Wow what did i do to deserve a comment like that? WTF I KILL UR FAMILY IN LAST LIFE AH?

Lol this quazacolt hides behind forums talking like he's some kind of big shit like that when people comment about rogues he gets all defensive and feels the need to prove something. Hey i tell you what u got the balls? WHY DON'T WE MAKE A DAMN POLL SAYING

ROGUES HAVE IT EASIER IN PVP COMPARED TO WARRIORS WHEN IT COMES TO LAG ISSUES

If every1 disagrees ok, i rest my case. u got balls? OR ARE YOU TOO AFRAID TO FACE THE TRUTH?