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post Nov 3 2008, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(outsiders_86 @ Nov 3 2008, 03:40 PM)
i have a hard time pvp with my rogue in battleground...its hard to cheap shot or kidney shot a ppl...coz the enemy is like skating..even after i stun him..he only get stun after skating forward in 1-2 sec...so zzz with msian line..my ping is around 300  cry.gif
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no problem bro! ambush 5k > mutilate 5k > evis 4k. dead guy guaranteed.

(i <3 patch 3.0...... not.)
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post Nov 3 2008, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(Vivato @ Nov 3 2008, 06:58 PM)
Rogue, hard time in battleground?????

/stealth
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why hide when you can just run around with a killin spree? people dying in 2-3 shots anyways nowdays
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post Nov 4 2008, 04:06 AM

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QUOTE(ekwk @ Nov 4 2008, 12:17 AM)
Try out Gamepath. It will help your PVP a lot especially Melee. PM me I can give you free code to trial.
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virtual linux box, 200-300 ms ping, free. lulz
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post Nov 4 2008, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(ekwk @ Nov 4 2008, 08:49 AM)
But Virtual Linux Box doesn't solve your routing issues. e.g when your ISP lag, you still lag and the ping doesn't go quite as low compared to a proper dedicated server tweaked just specially for WOW.
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umm no? lol. been using it for a loooong long time and my ping's fine, and so is my pocket.


Added on November 4, 2008, 10:35 am
QUOTE(Aggroboy @ Nov 4 2008, 09:42 AM)
You damn aggressive sell your products in our forum zzz sweat.gif
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cant blame em yo, need monies to feed the family.

eitherway i stopped caring bout lyn wow forum, so he can preach all he wants lol.

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post Nov 5 2008, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(HellJoker @ Nov 5 2008, 09:45 AM)
how come it start a flame 1??
niway, yea I'm a rogue too, who usually having 300~500 ping , 600~700 during raid,
didnt check during arena, but I do know I'm delaying kao kao,
always shadowstep and wanna hit tat time ppl sure 2~3 step away adi...
i guess thats our fate...lol..

(as my friend has check using a program, our main problem is too many lost packet from router to router, so maybe sometimes u hit that button but lost package, so ur toon dont react....which sux..)
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arena servers are lagging and bugged, dont bother. divine shield having cast times are not fun at all.

and no, router to router (or more precisely, node to node) doesnt have "lost packets"
tmnut blocked pings on tracert for certain/most people. if you do a direct ping you'll get it

you can experiment urself, go cmd, type tracert www.google.com you get nothing after the first few nodes. if ur lucky maybe you'll get a hit or 2. then, try ping www.google.com.

hope this helps.


Added on November 5, 2008, 10:19 am
QUOTE(exshige @ Nov 5 2008, 10:16 AM)
pvp as a healer or a range dps... much easier.. 300++ is consider the best for msian.. i only play my rogue whenever i hit 280ms once a while..
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casting time on instant heals is not so fun too lulz

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QUOTE(outsiders_86 @ Nov 5 2008, 04:47 PM)
same as me lol...bcos of this lag i cant use ambush multilate spec ~  cry.gif somemore now shadownstep nerf..cant blink out of root n frost d~
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why cant, just kill the guy in 2 hit lag also nvm. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Nov 5 2008, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(outsiders_86 @ Nov 5 2008, 05:16 PM)
har..when i ambush the ppl 1 time..he edi run few step away lol~ so only can cheap shot 1st hehe~
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wound poison is 50% proc rate, with DB it procs 100% cripple once wound procs.

dual wound with ambush + 2-3 dagger white attacks, ur almost guaranteed the cripple.

so 50 out of 100 ambushes, ur target is slowed for the killing. not that bad of a deal really
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post Nov 5 2008, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(arcbound @ Nov 5 2008, 06:13 PM)
i have a rogue and normally play with a 350 - 400ms.. thank god the mutilate have been changed and does not require to be behind your target. i find playing mutilate the better of the other talent for us malaysians..

we can never get a nice timing to get behind our target for an ambush. everytime i sneak up to ambush i get im not in the correct position, and backstabbing when im directly behind them says out of range. u need to be ahead of your target to backstab them. with mutilate spec its ez to just cheapshot, mutilate (if crits u already get full 5 combo pts), from there either u go evis > dismantle or kidney and mutilate again.. we cannot really do much burst that way but at least we're locking them and doing dmg compared to do 1 ambush and they manage to run and kite u back to death.

playing a range class is still easier for our ping.. there's a saying in my server that asian melee players that are high in arena rating are prob the best players because they dont have to deal with just fighting hard teams, but they also got to fight against lag and always be couple of steps ahead. lol
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should've gone lolstep then. hemo spamming > mutilating. mutilating from non back position = shit dmg, thanks to MANY multipliers stacked on the 20% oppo multiplier.

and my ambush is 10yd. its much easier than you think. as my combat = ambush > mutilate > evis > CLOS+sprint+vanish for the great escape. if no cooldowns then fight like a spartan hero bring few more allis down lulz.

my ambush is around 2-4k crit on warriors in plate too btw LOL
just pala/sham with shield ill open with CS then 5pt EA + dismantle to cut them down to leather/mail armor status.

warlocks, if they got over 15k hp ill open with cs, better bring them down as much hp as i can during stun before they meta. if they dont have meta/sub 14k hp, ambush ftw.
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post Nov 5 2008, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(kuasacow @ Nov 5 2008, 09:57 PM)
lol rogue complaining about lag....

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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post Nov 6 2008, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(kuasacow @ Nov 6 2008, 02:36 AM)
Helljoker,

think of it from a warrior perspective....lol

rogues...think of all the abilities u have in pvp, COS, Vanish, Sprint...if fight is not in ur favor...they complain about lag???? haha

with a lag of 300ms (if u get it) ...u practically wtfpwn ppl man. quaza said he can takes down a priest in like what 5 hits? (from another thread some time back)

if you are lucky u get to sap first then go bio and come back, open a can of soda then start working on your combo....(make sure he dont trinket out just in case u dont know)

whats is so hard in capping to to 70? moreover rogue???

Btw not flaming rouges but just finding it funny thats all. Granted we are at disadvantage here.

- Just a nub ranting coz i got pwn by a level 10 rogue in elywnn forest
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1) cooldowns
2) warriors can own me as easily with overpower revenge SPAMS and lolsudden death. i couldnt count how many times i have 8k+ hp, warrior with 2k+, im basically owning him, and he sudden death me execute crit 7-8k and i died instead. FANTASTIC.
3) sapping people and go bio? you know how long sap last? hello?
4) go look up arena statistics, compared warrior and rogues. if ur doing bad as a warrior, you have no excuse.
http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/team/5/all/all/all/all/ <-- 5v5 (combine warrior comps)
http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/team/3/all/all/all/all/ <-- rogue only wins this due to RMP and prolly cuz of china armory being counter, and 3.0
http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/team/2/all/all/all/all/ <-- 2v2 oh lol warrior druid

i have it fairly ez cuz:
1) i am maxed out on gear minus s4 shoulder/weapons (haha f*** that 30 rating drop when im at 204x on 3v3 doh.gif doh.gif )
2) im mainly playing BG nowdays and BG = newbie pvp
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post Nov 6 2008, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(wanderman @ Nov 6 2008, 11:53 AM)
then u should check wif ur line, splitter, the telephone panel, and lastly call up if din solve... tis mean sumthing when wrong wif ur hardware....
normally u wont get packet lost, even if u ping wif 1000ms...


Added on November 6, 2008, 11:57 amusually i dun believe the ping show in WoW, coz i encounter b4 like once the line spike for 2 sec or mayb longer, mine ping goes up to like 1k ms, but my toon still hit and cast with quartz showing jus 200~300ms.... i can assume the latency thingy react pretty slow so i wont use tat as reference... find a target and do sum dmg will let u know whether u r lag or delay... or mayb casting mount oso can....
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and what are you gonna do, when the tmnut technicians show, and proven to you, that the copper backbone is degraded/faulty/too far from exchange, and needs upgrade/replacement, but not gonna do it cuz the cost to do it just for ONE you is too much for telekom to bother?
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QUOTE(kuasacow @ Nov 6 2008, 12:43 PM)
well quaza i am not sure to say u are good / brave or .....

I am not saying is warrior vs rogue but since u started it, just chiping in
Tell me a warrior is not gear dependent? Maybe u got overpowered to death + sudden death proc etc by a S4 warrior which is better geared than u? If you got 2 shotted by a huntard coz u are in greens are you gonna blame lag coz your shadow step went to a shadow 0.3 secs ago?

Seriously how many time a rogue gets to fade away and fight again in a failed gank? reset and come again?
oh ya...to you guys arena is the ultimate bechmark of how good you are in wow. world pvp is for griefters ganking lowbies and PVE is for people that failed in PVP
as for sapping sorry i did not know u take it so seriously....lol scarcism? jeez...where are the rouge's sense of humor...lag???

as for arena statistic i normally read it differently as u coz i feel u look at the class icons only. Notice the druids in there? they are the game breaker dont think is the rogue or warrior in general. Rogue can be drafted into more arena setups as compared to warrior
It is always a dps + DRUID that is a strong combo. U know why a warrior is favored over other dps class in 2v2? as for 3v3 and 5v5 the warriors representation have drop drastically from there on while the rogues are popular. Again there is a reason and as a season l33t arena player like you, you should know.


Added on November 6, 2008, 12:43 pmAs for Helljoker...No, what quaza said is not what u meant. Stop tailcoating quaza.
Dont tell me u arena....and make me lol at u again. I am trying very hard to refrain from that atm. TMnet making rogue sux in arena??? Maybe streamyx route all the rogues's packets to moon and back on earth? Other classes are affected too if u dont notice. Maybe go into a few arena games then we discuss?

Yeah u dont care about warriors perspective. I found it funny that rogue are complaining about lag thats my thought so is there anything to do with you??? Can I lol at my thought and express it?
Did I post any witty 12 yr old comment like you who thinks that leveling to 70 is a great achievement coz Blizz just gave u an achievement acomplishment? by the way ur ding to 70 acomplishment is just 1 out of thousnads of it....jeez... whats next? I am a nub coz i did not explore kalimdor or fall 65 yrds(?) without dying?
Did I doubt you ever played wow?
Tell me which part of the rogue abilities that I comment is wrong that makes me looks like a fool?? Oh of coz the sap part....but I really doubt u know there is a sap button in ur spell book. Ebay much my friend?
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1) armory me, or look at my DI recruitment thread (8 pages already) before you post this pile of crap
2) im only lacking S4 weapons and shoulders, and they dont make a HUGE difference in actual battle.
3) read #1
4) with SK statistics posted, are you stupid or blind? take a pick.
5) except now we're comparing warrior vs rogue so druid's out of the picture. and EVEN THAT, warrior x druid > rogue x druid. if you have the slightest clue on WoW PVP, you should know the answer already.
6) because rogues are viable now unlike s1-2 where theres almost no rogues that 5v5? get a clue already.
7) then there shouldnt be any problems when WE LOL @ you since we're apparently lol'ing at our thoughts and expressing it now is there?
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QUOTE(wanderman @ Nov 6 2008, 12:54 PM)
yeah if really is those tm hardware fault, then u r able to claim bac ur loses or solve it. Atleast u know wat happen and who should b responsible. I came across a fren of mine, his office streamyx nvr meet the 75% performance and dc like hell. So in the end, tmnut refund wat he pay and free 1 years of wireless broadband services. if u dun like tm, then switch to other isp then.
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yea cept nothing is done because its tmnut. which adds in more frustration. but after few years of complaining, anyone would get sick and tired of it and just get used to it. cant count how many 30 rating loss because my team had to 1v2/2v3/4v5 with me dropping off for no reason.

of course, i can switch, if there is ALTERNATIVES available. see, my area got jaring recently, but my problem is the copper line backbone and/or the exchange. jaring will use the SAME phone copper line, and worse, the exchange is FURTHER from tmnut's AFAIK. so wouldnt switching over be making me a REALLY happy man than i already am? /endsarcasm
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QUOTE(kuasacow @ Nov 6 2008, 02:13 PM)
lol quaza,

u are funny.

(1) We are saying about lag and I lol at rogues complaining
(2) Then I brought in warrior in the lag equation coz they are worst off in bad lag situation vs rogue with less abilities to run away from fights due to lag
(3) The u bronght in warriors wtfpwn u in S4, cool downs into discussion and link up a pile of statistic. After that u tell me u are well geared and get pwn by well gear warriors coz of lag or what I dont know, because u said it was overpower and execution that killed u. Later u said u have it fairly easy coz of ur gear. So now rogues like helljoker should say is gear issue not lag?? Where are we going at man??? U got me confused.
(4) I interpret the statistic in a way that u do not agree and u said i am blind, Then u said we should not factor in the druids coz we are comparing warriors vs rogue....but druid is the main factor of your statistic. If take that out, ur statistic = the pile of crap u are posting? Fair comment? haha. Also to make things clear we are talking about lag affects a certain class more or warrior vs rogue and to be specific should we break it down to arena/bg/pve and talent trees so we are on the same page?
(5) Then u say druid + warrior > druid + rogue. I told you that already. Go reread my post. U requote me and ask if I have the slightest clue.....
(6) Then u bring in your sob stories about S1-2 no rogues....can u bring in the huntards for this discussion? Better still tell me about the RET PALLIES now haha!!! I said rouges can fit in better in the 3v3 and 5v5 category. Again u quote me and ask me to recheck my head.
(7) Did i lol at ur thoughts? U imagining things? did i say there is a problem that u lol at my thoughts and tell u that u r a nub, challage u that u dont have a wow account? Jeez all this elitist attitude.

By the way what is there to look at ur recruitment post? u mean the part of u guys do Arena / BG and World PvP or the part that mostly u talking to urself in there?
I can start a thread and keep talking to myself there to get to 8 pages, no big deal. If you are refering to world pvp then I might be wrong. But again maybe u do go out and whack newbies to stroke ur epeen as stated in the reason u go bgs. By the way what sort of world pvp events u guys do? (just curious)

Seriously quaza u might be an above average arena player but ur logical argument is a bit way off. Also your elitist attitude is blinding you to most discussion you are in.
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1) and i(we) lol at you too for bringing in warrior
2) and ive mentioned the fact that rogues abilities are all cooldowns, and point is that they arent always available, nor do they guarantee your escape. lagging or not.
3) YOU brought in warriors in S4, I merely corrected you that im also in majoritily S4. and no, never in this thread have i mentioned me getting pwned, with or without lag minus that warrior bit. get your comprehension abilities right.
4) so your selecting "retard" then? they are statistics for a reason. and EVEN IF you factor in druids, warrior still > rogue, so why bother? unless of course ur too stupid to realize that. but then again, at least ur honest for realizing it, i guess.
5) read #4
6) you're the one who critisize me for goin off topic and bringing in other unneccesary elements, but you yourself kept bringing in extras like druids, and now, hunters and retdins. who are you trying to flame/critisize? me? or yourself?
7) so now you have a problem with us lol'ing@ you? fine. dont b**** and whine when ur doing the same then, cuz last i check, if you have no such problems, you wouldnt be replying my posts in the first damn place, elitist or not.

apparently you've never gone through the initial pages where its more than just bumps huh? again, get ur facts straight, before you run your pathetic mouth (or hands, in this case)

i may or may not be an above avg arena player, nor is my argument, but thing is clear and thats your replies are:
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elitist or not.

and im not the only one in agreement to that, apparently.


Added on November 6, 2008, 3:34 pm
QUOTE(wanderman @ Nov 6 2008, 02:25 PM)
o jesus, tis is out of topic.... arent we talking about pvp-ing wif msia line??
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Added on November 6, 2008, 3:34 pm
QUOTE(ch@ich@i @ Nov 6 2008, 03:26 PM)
well well, it happens as always when talking bout pvp stuff here, sure derail... lollerskates... rclxms.gif

its fun to read those debates between the so-called pro-pvpers, than in-game bg or arena...

sometimes i read til like  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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hey, something to read is better than nothing aye? smile.gif

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QUOTE(wanderman @ Nov 6 2008, 03:34 PM)
lol sumtimes me too  rclxub.gif
ok bac to topic, pvp-ing wif msia line sure got lag a, spike a, or delay a. No matter how u tunnel it still got abit 1....
unless u shift to US or stay nex to the server XD.... anyway, jus my 2 cents ^^
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1) ctrl + f on my posts, and see if i got mention you being a failure at warrior. but hey, since you somehow want to be a failure (which i suppose you are then), feel free to go ahead.

2) if you have any sense of a clue in terms of WoW pvp (which obviously you dont), CDs dont make or break a game. and since you wanna blabber about CDs, all warrior op'ed cooldowns are now on 5min cooldown timer. and umm, considering you're talking so much crap about CD, do you know that one of the best tool against a warrior is evasion? but now, that CD kills said rogue thanks to 1 second overpower CD, and if you dont evasion, inc 3-4k MS crit/ 2-3k WW crit/ white swing crits/ bleeds bleeds bleeds, rng rng rng. your pick. and seriously, even without evasion, do you know how much DEFAULT dodge a cheatdeath rogue has (since you mention it)? since he'll be sub and will be gettin sinister calling. even without SC, do you know how much dodge a fully geared rogue has? you will take overpowers, and thats a fact. and no, not all rogues have sudden death, in fact, with patch 3.0, almost no rogues have sudden death.

3) MY post: YOU brought in warriors in S4, I merely corrected you that im also in majoritily S4. and no, never in this thread have i mentioned me getting pwned, with or without lag minus that warrior bit. get your comprehension abilities right.

warriors can own me as easily with overpower revenge SPAMS and lolsudden death. i couldnt count how many times i have 8k+ hp, warrior with 2k+, im basically owning him, and he sudden death me execute crit 7-8k and i died instead. FANTASTIC
L2read bold, i even gone through the effort to pin point it.

4) give me a few good reasons why i should help you in your english and maybe i will consider.

5) lacking rebuttals already? /sigh

6) and you dont find yourself being tunnel visioned to pointless additional classes? a rogue CAN partner with the classes you pointed out, yet why warrior is still above? as mentioned a number of times, get a clue already.

7) your entire posting = your b**** and whine = you have a problem with mine/others post. i mean, you wrote: "I am replying ur post coz I feel u are WRONG." after all, and you call that not a problem? and yeah, i do have a problem with your retarded posts. why else im replying? at least i had a clue on whats going on in terms of forum replies while you, sadly, dont.


Added on November 6, 2008, 4:55 pm
QUOTE(HellJoker @ Nov 6 2008, 04:26 PM)
ahhh...lotsa assumption and non stop trolling....
lazy to answer all ur question again coz that'll again further the trolling...
yada...yada....you're correct...u're the god....u're the best!!! ...yay....

darn....i cant help but just answer 1 of ur ques.....
lvl 70 warrior != lvl 70 rogue...u dont get it??...nvm...i thought so...
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QUOTE(Bogardan @ Nov 6 2008, 05:10 PM)
hi im a ret pally
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Added on November 6, 2008, 6:13 pm
QUOTE(kuasacow @ Nov 6 2008, 06:01 PM)
Seriously CDs dont make or break an arena game???
shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif 

if you have any sense of a clue in terms of WoW pvp (which obviously you dont), CDs dont make or break a game. and since you wanna blabber about CDs, all warrior op'ed cooldowns are now on 5min cooldown timer. and umm, considering you're talking so much crap about CD, do you know that one of the best tool against a warrior is evasion? but now, that CD kills said rogue thanks to 1 second overpower CD, and if you dont evasion, inc 3-4k MS crit/ 2-3k WW crit/ white swing crits/ bleeds bleeds bleeds, rng rng rng. your pick. and seriously, even without evasion, do you know how much DEFAULT dodge a cheatdeath rogue has (since you mention it)? since he'll be sub and will be gettin sinister calling. even without SC, do you know how much dodge a fully geared rogue has? you will take overpowers, and thats a fact. and no, not all rogues have sudden death, in fact, with patch 3.0, almost no rogues have sudden death.

What you are telling me from the above = best tools vs warrior is evasion...then if u pop it u get smashed by overpower and if sudden death proc u get executed. If not u get MS / bleed / whirlwind CRIT CRIT CRIT to death....(wah so many crit) Dodge also die dont dodge also die??? So meet warrior how? commit suicide??? If this is the case then go talk to blizz NERF the warriors back to stone age!!!!

sorry for pointing out ur faults and no need to go emo on me...enjoy ur elitist nerdrage then.

Ultimate conculsion :
Quaza's statement is the truth nothing else matters
If you disagree u are a retard
If you disagree more u are a retarded whining and b****ing cluless nub

Ok not posting anymore as it is getting derailed.
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are you even playing the game? im going to say no.

anyways, at least you made a pretty interesting conclusion, disappointing that you're not posting anymore though.

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QUOTE(twosonsaudio @ Nov 6 2008, 10:02 PM)
Hey kuasa no point talking to this quazacolt guy man. See what happenend when i said almost the same thing "i said try pvping with a warrior much harder to deal with in terms of lag issues and all" and then the next thing i get was i quote quazacolt: are you stupid. Wow what did i do to deserve a comment like that? WTF I KILL UR FAMILY IN LAST LIFE AH?

Lol this quazacolt hides behind forums talking like he's some kind of big shit like that when people comment about rogues he gets all defensive and feels the need to prove something. Hey i tell you what u got the balls? WHY DON'T WE MAKE A DAMN POLL SAYING

ROGUES HAVE IT EASIER IN PVP COMPARED TO WARRIORS WHEN IT COMES TO LAG ISSUES

If every1 disagrees ok, i rest my case. u got balls? OR ARE YOU TOO AFRAID TO FACE THE TRUTH?
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lets see, why are dont you deserve to be called stupid? for starters, you still dont know the reason. at the very least you're no where near smart.

hides behind some forum? ill have you know that ive met with a number of people with /AS/ and even this WoW forum. i dont have to hide.

and a poll, hmm, interesting. now, why cant YOU make it instead of me? the poll content is the same, anyone can vote. why i have to do it? you asked if i got balls, i just open up my pants, and what ye know, i got a pair. nope, not really convincing enough. ill tell you what, why dont YOU make the poll, and let me face the truth, see if im afraid or not.

(dare you fagmuffins voting against me for the lulz rolleyes.gif )


Added on November 7, 2008, 1:22 am
QUOTE(Heemee @ Nov 6 2008, 11:27 PM)
Obama's first act as President of the United States will be to nerf ret pallies .
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QUOTE(wanderman @ Nov 7 2008, 11:49 AM)
finally mod join tis post ... *phew*
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pity, it really is.

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