kei18kun,

i am not an expert but from what i read in the discussion of this admittedly slightly crazy sheme you might have an angle due to the fact that the price for the cow is very much overpriced. the question is - again i am not an expert - if the price can be considered extortion. this could if i am not mistaken render such a contract null and void. i am not 100% if this applies to malaysian law as well but it does in european countries. you could check with the small claims court. they should have someone around who might be able to give you some pointers. and as a consumer you can also file a lawsuit there and defend yourself. opposing party has to represent itself so no lawyer costs arise.

but: depending upon the contract entered. its a contract between consenting parties. short of extortion not much i can think of to null and void it - any lawyer here to help?

thanks for the advise
i tried small claims court already, they said to report to police and hire a lawyer since its out of their jurisdiction since the amount is 10k. any advise anyone?

tribunal court only able to claim up to 5k. more than that u need to go to civil court.
lawyer needed for civil court, the fee is around 3.8k.

This post has been edited by mmusang: Aug 12 2009, 04:58 PM

thought your claim was only 10k - must have misunderstood. in that case civil court to sue. you should do the police report though.

ok kalau mcm i ni, baru dump 2k. pastu bila dapati ni pdf ni pun satu scam, nak tarik balik pelaburan boleh tak? kalau nak lodge polis report pun apa yg nak direport sebab tidak nampak berlaku berlaku penipuan, kecuali mereka tak sepatutnya mengambil sebarang deposit dari pelabur. itupun bila diperhati dlm resit, siang2 tertulis ini bukan satu deposit, tetapi sebagai dikira sebagai sebahagian ansuran.

i pernah terdengar pasal "tempoh bertenang". apa tu ye kalau sapa2 boleh tolong huraikan?
thanks....

I was approached by these PDF people when i was jogging at lake garden not long ago. one of them said they got luck draw and if i won could earn free vacation package. They asked me to fill up the form. some information needed like salary range, employment sector, places of interest and bla bla bla...i said ok since its free i fill up the form..next day someone unknown number call my HP with no 016XXXXXX but i did not pick up. After a while i got sms saying that i won free voucher and invited me to come to their HQ at bangsar.

Having been living in KL for so long above marketing technic is just one of many ways our hard earn money could flow out from our pocket just like throwing money in the sea for free and worse still it could happen in hasty without thinking and enough time to make a decision and after that
one feel regret and foolish of the action. It is such a shame that it happen to those who are educated.

Lucky stumbling upon this thread and it really annoyed me this investment Jabatan Tenusu Jabatan Tenusu Jabatan Tenusu@%^#$%@
WTFFFFFFF!!!

This post has been edited by imax80: Aug 13 2009, 04:34 PM

worth a try, but i do have to come out with 4k first rite?

firdauswong,

shouting and cursing doesnt make you right. your post is frankly speaking an insult. (reported the post)

we already established that the price for the cow is outrageously overpriced. i am not mentioning all the other questionable aspects.

i you feel those aspects are not correct, i suggest you attempt to show us why they are incorrect. so far your posts regarding others pointing out issues with this scam (sorry i use the word) are flaming and cursing. just because you rise your voice does not make you right. if you can argue and make your point feel free. you failed at this consistantly.

me shouting and cursing? i failed to argue and make my point consistently? an insult? so ur word 'outrageously overpriced' is not insulting at all, huh?? did u read my previous postings? i guess no!

i'm only stating the fact and the fact is you ppl never will go to find out the truth at the farm and keep on pointing your blaming fingers. it's U that mentioned that the price is outrageous but have u ever thought of the cost of taking care of the cow? never!! right? have u ever thought of the cost of the barn RM1M and facilities such as milking house which cost RM1M? never!! right? have u ever thought of the operation cost? never!! right? have u ever thought of the cost to pay for the concentrates for the cow for 8 years? never!! right?? http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=46790 pls go & check in the 3rd paragraph and calculate the cost for 8 years, then tell me it is outrageous. even that is the cost for 2007. then after that, u expect to get a FREE cow-la.. right?

u never thought of these and u r pointing that the price is outrageous, is this fair?? u don't even know where is the farm and how does the cow looks like and u r pointing that it's outrageous, is it fair? have u ever think before u put it in words? never!! right??

maybe u can tell me how much cost u eat per day x 8 years and tell me the cost is really outrageous overpriced.

aku dah siasat. setakat yg aku faham... ladang alifah tu adalah kepunyaan en ramli mai lam ke sapa nama dia.... tokeh R.M livestock. tapi bila aku telepon, jawapan yg aku terima..." no yg anda dail telah ditamatkan..." bila aku tanya kat consultant pdf tu dia pun ngaku ladang tu bukan diaorg punya, dorang cuma projek susu lembu jer....

pastu baru konon2 nak bagi no tel yg aku boleh contact kat ladang tu, boleh caya ke...? aku setakat nak pi ladang tu senang je..... pasal dokek sgt ngan tompat haku... ni percaya sgt punya pasal.... takkanlah dorang nak menipu pulakkaaannnnn?????

just ignored firdauswong pls...since he might be kamal or adzman from the damn company which is ignoring me whenever i called them and never bothered to call me back

nobody answered my question yet? do i need to pay 4k for the lawyers fees? don't they have negotiation that they can get 4k if they can get my 10k back?

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Added on August 17, 2009, 11:49 amjust don't risk it since they way they do things just darn irresponsible and misleading. bettter to try to get back the money than dump more money into it no matter what they says

This post has been edited by kei18kun: Aug 17 2009, 11:49 AM

for more than 5k, tribunal court do not have power to handling your case. u need to bring it to civil court. 4k or 3.8k is amount i got from different forum, u might be able to negotiate with other lawyers for the fees.
below is the forum i got the fees, a-a-aje decide to bring the case to civil court.

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/brunei/TCM4J1NON9DPOE8UH

hey kei18kun,

my aunt is a lawyer but i am not sure of the charges.
maybe u should pay a visit to lawyer office to get an idea what the cost like.

yep, u should visit several lawyer office, then u will get the picture.

ye... aku n hubby memang dah tarek diri pun, tu sebab aku nak tahu camana nak dpt balik 2k tu. aritu, kitaorg panggil consultant dtg jumpa kitaorg. dia ingat kami nak bayar yg lagi 7k lebih tu. siap bawak resit. masa jumpa mlm tu, kami mintak semula agreement yg hubby dah sign sebelum ni. kununnya nak tengok balik. bila dah dpt, kami pegang surat agrement tu, n ckp nak pinjam tunjuk kat lawyer. tapi dorang tak kasik kata tak boleh, nanti dorang faxkan salinan je.

hubby pun sudah hangin terus koyak agrement tu dpn dorang. pastu, kami cerita pasal kat internet byk cerita pasal pdf ni tipu, tapi kawan tu pandai jawab. yelah, kita ni mana tahu law kan nak balas balik hujah dorang tu. tapi yg geram tu, bila kami kata nak tarek diri, dan tak moh bayar yg lagi 7k tu dia pulak boleh kata dia tertipu dgn kami sebab dtg jauh2 n siap bawak resit. kalau kami siang2 kata nak jumpa, bukan nak bayar, takdelah susah2 dorang ambil resit dari bahagian akaun. tak ke sakit ati dengar? dia pulak kata aku tipu dia kata nak bayar mlm tu. walhal, aku takde kata pun nak bayar, aku just kata nak jumpa je. n tlg bawa sekali agrement. pastu dia yg tanya nak suruh bawa resit sekali tak? aku katala... boleh juga, bawak je lah... ada aku kata nak bayar??

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Added on August 17, 2009, 4:50 pmaku dah pergi website tribunal. tapi nape aku baca kita boleh tuntut bawah 25k?

KLIK KAT SINI....TRIBUNAL

This post has been edited by sigsan: Aug 17 2009, 04:50 PM

I urge u to call the phone # in their website and ask them ratther than us, then u will have a clear picture.

anyway u just need to claim 2k only, pls submit
i tried and they called me back say cannot, ask me to hire lawyer and go to court...

hmmm, interesting link u provided, i'll try again. thanks

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Added on August 19, 2009, 4:30 pmok, will do that, thanks

This post has been edited by kei18kun: Aug 19 2009, 04:30 PM

no more update?confirm scam?

got the call yesterday, offer free voucher stay 2D/1N @ Tunes Hotel,Penang.
make my appointment today @ 5pm.
will go...for sure. hahaha...

share us your thoughts

just don't bring any money or credit card will be safe
to be safer just don't go
ur money is safer to invest in other things

latest update on my case is I received my contract finally with sharing 1 cow with other 2 person. They inform will get income by December, will update u all later

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Added on November 19, 2009, 10:07 amat last get the first return of RM88 becos of selling of calf and abit of milk...the amount is little bcos i share 1 cow with another 2 person. They also gave back RM786 bcos i paid RM10786 and the whole cow only cost RM30k

well, have to see now how the things go on...at least can see some action taken already after 1 year of waiting

This post has been edited by kei18kun: Nov 19 2009, 10:07 AM