What do you think about this?

Piracy has been a big issue in Malaysia, aside from fraud and identity theft, pirated goods are now seen as a commodity. Piracy has always hit the gaming industry hard, with sales of pirated goods outnumbering retail or original goods by 8:1.

This issue exists for many reasons, usually related to the economical lifestyle of the buyers, their preferences and also the prices of these goods. However, are the buyers the only one to blame?

As the economical situation in most countries vary, the cost of these goods also increase or decrease depending on the state of their ecomony. But do you think these goods are as valueble as they cost?

RM100 to RM150 per game can be taxing to a gamer, where gamers in Malaysia are mostly students and young adults aging from 16-28. Their age also represents their purchasing power, having an average of RM800-RM1600 to spend monthly, students rarely spend that amount on money games. RM 100 per game however, isnt really a burden for a person making that amount, assuming he/she buys only 1 game monthly, effectively they would have enough to eventually buy all the games they want... eventually.

But why spend a hundred dollars on something that will blow away within months? Many turn to piracy because they see no value in purchasing these goods legally. Spending 100% less on a product is always better.

As much as we like games, seldom do we purchase all of them (as in originals) unless we know those games are good. This is highly due also to the number of not-so-properly-produced-games or flops, such as the much anticipated MOO3, which many of the hardcore fans thought it was not a good buy compared to its prequel. This is perhaps, one of the many reasons gamers choose to "test" software before eventually buying an original copy... eventually. Money they throw at the pirates however, go only to the pirates.

So, yes, we know what piracy is, but is it really our problem?

Yes, very much our problem. Due to the high rates of piracy in Malaysia, many of these foreign companies find Malaysia a hard place to survive in, particularly when it comes to sales and events. Because sales are low, they also hold less priority on having events such as E3 or similar events in Malaysia.

What are companies doing to prevent or fight piracy?

Many companies such as EA (Electronic Arts) embrace piracy as free publicity while adding value added services/content for original copies of their games. They however still keep the standard cd-protection softwares on their products to avoid them being copied or cracked, though many of which are cracked anyway.

EA's approach have been adopted by many companies, providing value added content online. But is that enough?

I think, for gamers who play games at the cybercafe more than home, buying an original game is less than practical. Since the majority of gamers play LAN, its hardly an option to buy an original game unless they can play at home.

Im sure many of you buy pirated from time to time or have bought it before? What do you think?

I don't see the point of buying an pirated DVD games now, since we can just download it off internet, I'm pretty sure most of us here do that too.

But meh..
I'll be honest, the price of the original copies are just too expensive..
You know what? I think if we have shops that rents them would be nice, but then again, knowing the mentality of majority of Malaysian..Not a very bright idea..

Just my 2cents though..

I think our local ISP are partially to be blamed for indirectly encouraging us to support piracy. System specs aside, you see, even IF I do own a decent gaming rig, my online experience will be hampered by those greedy capitalist at the tip of the financial food-chain. IMNSHO, I think none of these ISP have any interest to provide us good servive at heart. As long as they have a steady income of cash flowing into their now fat wallet, they wouldn't even give a damn if we're teleporting frustratingly in-game. IMO, This POS connection they've provided is one of the main reason why so many local gamers resulted in playing LAN games. Playing online at the comfort of your home with a connection speed that's similar to what a guitar string can offer, really defeats the purpose of buying original in the first place.

I live in the east and at my place, to get even the original is a rare find. Not to mention the price doubled when shipped from the west. Do this game company have even the slightest idea on how to market goods with this overpriced games? I would consider IF they sell them at RM50. Not to mention, newer games always come faster in pirated copies compared to orginal. Probably have to wait a year.

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Added on October 31, 2008, 7:37 amI mean comeon. Some even give away their dvds for free for promotional value (magazine especially). I don't need the game book or any other goodies that comes alone.

This post has been edited by LeechFever: Oct 31 2008, 07:40 AM

Well, in Indon, I never see someone buy original in the rest of my life living in Indon. So I was very surprised that in Malaysia still got people buy original.

if it was RM50 i will buy original. cause you see, USD50 for people in Malaysia is not worth it. At all. Dollar for dollar, how can we compete with USD currency? People pay 50, we pay close to 200.

What game companies should do is to follow the PS3 game region system. Whereby it is cheaper in Asian regions. Total revenue for gaming companies will also rise, I think at most 5-10% of people in Malaysia uses original.

for me its the matter of the love for the game.my original intention of playing the game is to play single player mode only so i dled the game.enjoyed the single player mode but it was so short so i was like good thing i dled this game but then i found some cracked servers online n tried it out.i loved the multiplayer gameplay so much i decided so buy original so that i can play in sg servers to play with lesser ping(back then there werent many local servers) n i have to say it is worth every cent.its my of saying thank you to the developer of the game for making such an enjoyable game.

btw i am rarely affected by tmnut.i can smooth online gameplay most of the time.

This post has been edited by prash: Nov 1 2008, 12:31 AM

for me the exchange rate isn't a matter to be seen

but what's more important is the fact that our standards of living here are crap and considering how prices of everything = rapidly increasing. salary = constantly being constant

which leads to people not even wanting to buy an original DVD which is worth RM 20-40

earning 1.3k in uk will leave u with extras after grocery and some extra fun

earning 1.3 in malaysia will leave u partially broke after grocery leaving little space for fun.


not to sound unpatriotic
it's just how i see things are around here ^^

my 2 cents.

so yeah ppl dont want to fork out rm 20-40 for an original DVD movie

which leads to

if that's true for the adults ( as mentioned 28 above ) what about the younger ones spending for ori games which are like 100-250 at best.

though i have to admit buying original games does give u a good feeling and the little extras pirated ones dont get.
but still.... it's not worth it

For me, I think we should blame our ISP and the pricing. TMnet/Streamyx don't really desire us to connect to d outside world. We lag there, and our internet pricing which is considered as expensive is already burdening us from buying original game copies.

Even if we buy it, our ping doesn't really fall below 100 ( yes i know there are some but sometimes we don't have Malaysian servers to play)

I won't hesitate to buy if the prices are at least RM 20~30..for countries such as Aussie, UK, NL, and other countries have cheaper prices. I know the prices in Malaysia are the same as Aussie and others, but think about it, their average income is much higher, 30 dollars are nothing for them, but for us, 30 dollars (not ringgit) are VERY expensive.

This post has been edited by KuzumiTaiga: Nov 1 2008, 08:36 PM

exactly

Wrong. In Australia, games or other things are priced differently on every states. At least we have standardized games prices in almost every places as most of our products are controlled products. But things are different in Australia. Most of the time, games are more expensive. It is also true that Streamyx sucks your money more than giving more speed but Australians have nothing better from us. They depended totally on servers in their land. Try to look at games which have fewer servers. For example, MOH: Airborne. There are only 2-3 servers in Australia that caters for all Australians. They might go outside servers but there's none in Singapore and going further up will make them laggier than us. While we on Malaysia don't have servers nearby but we can actually play at Aussie servers or even go to Hong Kong and Japan for decent pings (100-200 ping).

Lots of people think that Australia is far more advanced that our country but that's not likely the truth. But what make them better are things like calm and helpful society. I might not have yet experiencing myself living there but I have friends who told me their experiences.

Hmm, actually, the reason why we connect to HK and JP very well is because of our connection hub is the same from asia -> US. Remember that earthquake a few years back that affected the internet lines? While Malaysia uses the Taiwan -> Korea -> Japan -> US route, Australia uses a different ocean line, connecting straight to the US. Their connection to the US is far better as it connects directly (their ocean fibre cables) to the US. THe same lines Singapore use to the US. This is the main reason why they dont really need local servers in Australia. MOH is also an old game.

It's not about an old game but a less popular game. Mind you that I have the game preordered and after getting it, there's no sign of local nearby servers. Actually we can go to US servers through Australian route. From my experience (this might be bias but this is what I saw), we can connect to US better compared to European servers. Australians might connect to US better but just see at their options; very few. At least we have more options. That's my point.

TS are so stupid for asking this question there r no such things that where gamers in Malaysia are mostly students and young adults aging from 16-28. Their age also represents their purchasing power, having an average of RM800-RM1600 to spend monthly.

Did u make a survey first before u post ? and one more things any wrong if we purchase pirated software ? did everyone spend their money on game and don't spend on their food? U better thinks about it TS life and virtual reality are not same

Wadahek? Chill dude, TS created this thread for healthy discussion.....

I don't see you very clever when you're saying people stupid.

Just buy the game most of the other gamers in your preferred genre are playing. That way you can never go wrong.

The biggest portion of the game consumer market are casual gamers. Everyone knows this lol. You can pretty much guess who are the ones that spoon feed piracy the most too.

Out of all the publishers and dev's out there in the industry. The one that's handling it the best is Valve. I got my CoD4 through Steam purchase. Well, a friend bought it for me and I payed him back.

It's pretty secure as long as you're not as gullible most newbies are. Also be on the lookout of noobs that commit philsing and account frauds.
You gotta be net smart in order to keep your account and all your games out of their hands.

The future of most pc game sales might as well be online purchases.
Get your CC cards ready people.

and... No, I am not going to lend you my account. Don't ask.

This post has been edited by t3quila: Nov 3 2008, 04:49 AM

I would be glad if all games are things like Steam or EA Online Download. Those pirates or people who likes to download illegally can go die.

This post has been edited by Dark Steno: Nov 3 2008, 05:52 AM

i LOL'ed

Oh wait. How about the companies who get no money when you buy pirated software? How are they going to pay their staff? How are they going to spend anything on food then? If you don't have the money, don't buy the game. Simple as. Please don't call the TS stupid when you're the dumb criminal. =/

This post has been edited by Grr: Nov 3 2008, 10:04 AM

so gamers in america all aging from 30-100?all over the world the gamers are mostly 16-30 years old so its no excuse.can u design a game like call of duty 4 for free?the production cost of the game would be in millions.how on earth r they gonna get their money back if everyone thinks like u?they might as well close the gaming industry.

buying pirated games is legally wrong la just like buying pirated movies.its just that the malaysian government are not enforcing it well enough.

finally i have to say that u r really really stupid for not considering those things before replying here.

ok so it is clear that people support piracy because it is the "right" thing to do.....

there's nothing right about it people...

piracy is a load of bull crap.

well i did buy cod4 pirated version to test it out.... but i got an ori cd key soon after.

dude the price is screwed up. i totally agree but if a game is awesome support the devs and buy the original copy.... that'd give them more funds to start on the next game

imho it's our mentality i guess.. assume ur given given rm100 would u rather have 1 game to play or 5 or more games to play? so heh

its like this guys say ok if someone steals his stuff. wonghanjiang pawned himself.

this thread should be in gamers hideout main forum. more ppl support original, we can have more tourneys and developers coming into malaysia n bye2 sg. since we have the bigger market.

problem is malaysians want to buy all games instead of buy the one that they really plays.

wahahahhahahaah
then y the hell are they using securom which seems to me treating their legit customer as criminals?

here a link from sum1 from stardock. srsly long
http://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/post.aspx?postid=303512

Hehe, no one said it works. Thats why i started this topic. Securom and such make money from all this anyway. Criminals make money for them really. Like anti-virus softwares.. what would happen if there were no viruses? They'd make their own to fuel their benefit.

I was enjoying reading the thread till i saw this and laughed. LOLX.

It's against the law?

Overall i think now there are more gamers out there who are willing to save and fork out that money to buy ori, provided the game is gud of coz. If you look at it historically, compared to 5-10 years back, practically everone bought pirated. It was a rarity to find shops that sell ori games, and even if they do, it was relatively minimal.

From a personal experience back then when i was a student i couldn't and wouldn't spend RM150 for original games. Fact is, it is too expensive, then there and now. The only difference that i can think of now is that overall the younger generation now has better purchasing power.

Fast forward to now and if you ask me whether i would go all out to buy ori... the answer is prolly no. Why? Simply bcuz I don't have the $ to spend on a powerful rig that can support current/future games. Even if i managed to get a rig, i wld prolly be too broke to buy games. And if $ wasn't a question in the first place, then there wouldn't be a need to deliberate between ori & pirated. XD

my point is, ea never embrace piracy

dont you think we actually grow up with pirates in Malaysia? Is becoming a culture, part of malaysian life that we only use pirate stuff. Is part of our norm to getting pirates which cause hell less than the original. Is not that we do not want to support, but how to support with our cost of living?
I am not talking about games here, but more to software and stuff. Even lot of company in malaysia curi curi using pirated software, but without this pirate software, how are we going to survive and advance like other developing country? It may sound like an excuse to most people but think about it, even in school or uni or college, we are being guide to buy pirate stuff, lecture would ask us to just photostate our books from the ori to be use in class. How to buy a Rm100++ books when we can get it around RM25-30 by just photostating which the lecture dont even mind and encouraging it?
Back to software and games, everything is the same.

Is part of us now, and with the advance of internet, there is no stopping it. Too bad, is bad but all to be blame that we started wrongly.

There, fixed

P.S. Ignore me if I'm being an arse.
P.P.S. Me kenot sntad dmagaed engrish! >:(

Cheers,
Wacko Inside.

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Nov 3 2008, 06:11 PM

wonghanjiang's reply is even funnier if the rig in his sig is real. Lots of money to buy hardware, no money to buy the games for it to run?




This post has been edited by wankongyew: Nov 3 2008, 06:10 PM

Here is some basic information.

The breakdown for age gaps is this.

12 below.
18 below.
25 below
35 below
above 35

Now, the highest amount of purchasers are those between the ages of 18 to 30. Reason? School leavers, working adults, mostly single and male. The MMO market survey for WoW already indicates that this is true. If that idiot who walked in and asked where the TS got his info from please inform him that if he didn't know about this piece of basic information, HE IS NOT A GAMER. I had the oppurtunity and the chance to look at information in my line of work and effectively this is the market age MOST companies aim their games at.

And i would report him to the admins. He effectively stated that he supports piracy and that there is nothing wrong with buying pirated software which is against the rules of the forum.

The average income of people between the ages of 18 to 28 vary widely dependant on blue and white collar jobs. RM800 to RM1600 is a very excellent figure when based on the fact that starting jobs should pay you at least RM1500 to RM3200 for white collar. 50% of your pay is actually very decent considering that people leave home later and later in life. If you don't know this information please go read it up concerning malaysian household habits.

Sadly, these days the majority of purchasers of pirated products are blue collars whose income is not as high or who still believe in the tidak apa attitude, hence the sentencem "ANY WRONG if we purchase pirated software."

Cheers people

haha sanc enuff said ~~

+1. Awesome piece of info.

Btw, sanc, there's no need to report him, I believe he had learnt his lesson.

Cheers,
Wacko Inside.

nuff said....

Well, perhaps they look at it differently than most. Unlike other companies, they eventually come up with ideas to curb it. I doubt they are the ones that put it there though (cd-protection), they are the publishers, not the devs.

they are the 1 that controlling the type of copy protection coz they're the 1 thats is going to distribute the game. they set the rules
not the dev whose job is making the game

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Added on November 4, 2008, 9:45 amps: sorry if i sounded harsh...
just hate those suckassrom

This post has been edited by dfcloud: Nov 4 2008, 09:45 AM

reduce d price to RM50...
u will see a big changes in gaming industry in Malaysia..
munny is d main thing...
buy expensive hardware lumsum...
buy ori games....every month or week...
so if anyone want to do a petition on reducing d ori games to RM50, i'm in...
i love ori games but i dont love how Malaysian Govt do d pricing etc...

topic moved to gamers hideout from cod

you are more stupid for the following reasons:

1) you can't even speak or write in proper english.
2) you have the money to buy a powerful rig but don't have the money to spend on original games.

so i conclude that you are more stupid then the ts.

If you dont have the money, then dont buy ler. Why have to stoop to being a petty thief. If you dont earn alot, then whose fault is that, the game company?

Keep in mind that there lots of old games currently released under budget prices.

Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts, Painkiller, Rise of Nations, etc.

why do you have to start being a thief?

another unrelated post lolx~ being a thief hahahaha~~

I would really appreciate it if the original games price is cut to half,
i mean not only games but other software such as windows should have
their price reduce, how can you ask a normal home user to buy a rm1000++
software

Depends, i think game prices would hit the sweet spot if reduced by 20%, half would be too much since then cannot make profit or sustain a company. Also have to see volume of sales, if they sell very cheap but nobody wanna buy, go bankrupt also.

What software you want 1K? Adobe photoshop isnt exactly for "home" use so too is dreamweaver. I find that adobe acrobat is rather expensive, but there are cheaper alternatives such as nitro pdf. Try buying autocad software, 1 license alone can buy u a motorcycle.

Buying pirated games has already become parts of Malaysian's life. Out of 10 who play game, how many will buy ori? Unless its big title and games where you think you will replay it many times, then its worth it to buy ori. If you think you are only going to try it out and see whether its good, its not worth it to spend hundreds in ori. Imagine that amount of money can feed you for 1 or 2 weeks.

I myself buy ori but only those title with good review and long replayability. Every now and then, i admit that I do buy pirates just to test the game OR that game is only good to play once (once finish, the urge to play will vanish). To combat this issues, i think distributor or whoever decides the pricing of the game should seriously look at how to price the game in order to reach out to more people.

A singaporean with monthly salary of SGD2000 pay SGD50 for a game. Its not much to him. A malaysian with monthly salary of RM2000 pay MY150 for a game. Its almost 10% of his salary man. So, for that malaysian, will he consider ori? Most likely not.

Even if it's just RM10 for an original copy.. my friend just won't buy it. Why pay when you can just download it? I'm paying RM88 per month that is so expansive to TMNut.. that's what he said.

I think the bottomline is the attitude and mentality. Most malaysian gamers won't want to pay even if it's just RM5 for an original game.

Theres an easy solution, if you cant afford it, dont buy it unless morality is just an annoying thing then ppl got no prob to buy pirated games and then some.

Frankly speaking, is it that easy to download a game? Dont you all scared that the downloaded file consist of malicious virus? I do heard a lot of people keep saying that they download game to play. I just find it too dangerous.

i think RM50 is fair enuff for games...
more than that just overkill...
i dont mind about monthly fee if we go online but pls dont sell it more than RM100...
we suffer from paying telephone bills, streamyx and oil price...
our salary pun not that much...paiseh..

I guess the best way to reduce piracy would be make all games as MMORPG or require an internet connection for content since the material would in control of the developer and they can minimize the incident of something pirating the full product.

But then again it would not be feasible since net penetration isnt very wide spread yet. Plus the hassle of logging on just 2 play a game may put ppl off.

If your salary not enough, only way is to upgrade yourself and make yourself a better person. But then again generally food stuff in malaysia is very cheap compared to most other countries which are equalled to malaysia, philipines food stuff way more expensive but their gaji around malaysia standard.

This post has been edited by crapp0: Nov 4 2008, 10:52 AM

i beg to differ...
i really believe if they set d price tag to RM50, no pirate will survive in Malaysia...
or maybe less la...
ppl always talking bout d price...
this is due to our gaji and lifestyle...

FYI, RM2000 per month break down...
RM550 car (MyVi)
RM450 flat house
RM150 bills
RM300 petrol (using motocycle daily) from shah alam to kl
RM300 grocery
RM200 other installment....

so how?

RM50 per game is really mouth watering price where I also believe will kill off piracy all together. However, I dont think its going to happen due to Sini Tax, Sana Tax, Every Corner also Tax. Having said this, dont you all realise that ori DVD movie began to appear more affordable? Lets just hope that game will move into that direction as well.

Same here bro!
Example:
(average)Fresh grad engineer in US salary: USD 2500 ~ USD 3000 /month
average game price in US: USD40 ~ USD50

(average)Fresh grad engineer in MY salary: less than RM 2500
average game price in MY: RM100 ~ RM150

I only buy ori when the titles have very high production value + high replayability (so that I can appreciate)i.e. C&C series (including Red Alert 3), The Witcher, Neverwinter Nights, Starcraft, Fallout 3, Company of Heroes, World in conflict, Half life 2 etc.
I will not buy a short, low replayability game like Crysis (bad coding), Transformers the game (u r buying the license actually not the game) etc. for a premium price (RM100+).
For myself, piracy is a good way to try a good title first b4 investing my hard-earned money.
Some of us might not realize how hard to produce/develope a computer/video games that's why they r dedicated so much to piracy.

someone mentioned about games rental in page 1. That won't work in Malaysia as people here are ignorant and inconsiderate barbarians who double park for their own convenience and never clean up their own fastfood trays.

Anyway...what about second hand games? I mean..like some said, they only want to play the single player portion of the game. Buy they can play it for a month and then sell it back. Someone else can buy at cheaper price and used software does not degrade in quality. Except of course the DVD/CD in which case the people will not buy back if you don't take care of the media.

Those who plan to to sell back out will take care of the DVD/CD. Since you only need to install it once or something. Sure, there are CD checks like securerom but I would personally install cracks after installing with my original. Cause less CD reading means my hardware last longer and nothing wrong using crack to play the game since I already paid full price for it.

Plus reselling games are totally legal too. Everyone benefits.

Original games are too expensive, spend a hundred of RM just to play few months or 1 ~ 2 years. Not worth it at all. If the original price is like RM50 ~ RM60, I will buy. Rm100 ++ too expensive. 3 ~ 5original games' price can be used to buy a GC.

Actually the game is quite cheap-ass if we are in US.Around 50 Bucks Example
50 X 3.5 = RM 175
Imagine original games at RM 50..
Its Malaysia,think about it.

i dont get ur point amdathlon...
what r u trying to say?

What i trying to say is,the game is actually cheap(in US).But its our money exchange(Malaysia)making it looks very expensive..
ie : Red Alert is 50$ US Dollar,if we stay there(US)its considered quite cheap.But in Malaysia after converted become RM 175,it becomes quite expensive.
Think about it.
Dont mention Microsoft Software

he means if rm50 for a ori game is acceptable... =)

US citizen earns US dollor and buy things in USD. Malaysian earn ringgit and buy things using ringgit. The same goes to SG. If SG can charge games at SGD50 on average (almost on par with US even though USD is valued higher than SGD), why not Malaysia. Well, just a thought.

Strange..... some people are willing to spend RM100++ for a mouse but unwilling to pay for original software that they love so much.

I use cheapo optical mouse <RM20 but I still buy ori games that I love so much.

A mouse? ha ha ha

QFT

I dont think so. It think its the mentality of people. Dont get me wrong if ori's were priced RM50, i would love it and i think most of everyone here would love it too. But dropping the price to RM50 is like preaching to the converted ie it only makes a difference to us not the ones that have relished in the culture of piracy .

Its like this...why spend so much when you got other alternative much cheaper. SO even if they drop price they will never be able to compete with pirates and pirates being easily available...guess who wins...Look at the movie industry in Malaysia...they dropped the price of Ori's...are people buying more Ori's? Probably to a certain degree...these are probably the people who have been buying Ori's...They are buying more...Did it kill all pirates? Quite the opposite...people who buy pirated continued to do so.

To the guys/gals that said Malaysian earns RM800-RM1600 cant afford Ori's...Do you honestly believe when these people who have been buying pirated stuff all along suddenly buy Ori when they earn RM2,600, 3000, 5000? Seriously, you honestly believe so? They will suddenly change to Ori supporters and goody two shoes when they earn more huh? Don't be ridiculous. Its all about mentality. Malaysians hardly respect each other how to expect them to respect IP?

I beg to differ on your second paragraph. I for one, is probably one of many who start to buy ori movie when the price drop. A lot of my friends are doing so as well because by paying a little bit more, we can enjoy the original without having to worry about DVD faulty or any other defects. We also starts to buy ori Hong Kong Drama Series as it is on par or even cheaper if compared to pirates. Ori = better quality goods and if the price is affordable, I seriously believe people will start take notice of it.

for those games that "classic", will support ori, eg Diablo, Oblivion, or chinese game!
for those chapalang game, BT settle it, why support those pirated dvd seller?

ea is trying to stop user from reselling their game coz they wont get a cent from 2nd hand sales
they also state it in their EULA ianm

at my place. a copy of pirated dvd game cost rm13 or rm15. if a game got 2 dvds means it would b rm26 or rm30. stil expensive to me. dload game would take days. so i share wit a fren to buy the pirated copies, total cost devided by 2. smtimes dload if got kesabaran to play d game. but recently i bought some (4 or 5 titles) ori games. i feel good owning it. i put it neatly near my pc so that frens who drop by could see that i got some expensive ori games . unlike the pirated ones which scattered in my room. conc is u appreciated ori games more.

Wow, you take the cake man. You can even cheat the guy who sell pirated by pirating it off from yer fren. Malaysia boleh anybody?

Maybe you cant make it as a business selling 2nd hand games but if its personal transaction then should be no prob.

This post has been edited by crapp0: Nov 4 2008, 01:04 PM

hahahaha, hell yeah, malaysia boleh.

I also wanted to buy original game like ob8 said, take them as decoration, but too exxpp T_T

And yeah, I still dun get the point for why we cant support pirated version

This post has been edited by xJoeX: Nov 4 2008, 01:19 PM

With malaysias habit of purchasing pirated goods. I dont know why malaysians havent gone all out to import pirated electronics, buy china cars (Most of them are pirated versions of other brands), clothes (Just goto pasar malam can oledi) and phones (I know one fella sell china phone in KL and singapore).

Same thing for people who are willing to pay for expensive case mods, speakers and custom cooling options. Spending for hardware is okay, software is not.

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Added on November 4, 2008, 2:15 pmThe point is that the people who actually produce the content don't get paid. In the first place, this is morally wrong. Everyone expects to be fairly rewarded for their work. How would you like it if you performed work for which you expected payment but in the end the customer took what you created but didn't pay you anyway? In Malaysia's case, how can Malaysia ever expect to become a serious country in which software development is done if everyone in the domestic market pirates it anyway?

In the second place, if the people who produce the content continually get screwed, eventually they will stop producing that content. In gaming, we have seen a continuous trend of more and more games that were traditionally strong on the PC platform move to consoles, because it is harder to pirate on console than on the PC. Heck, before Halo, everyone thought that it was impossible to have a decent shooter game on a console. Now even strategy games are moving to the console. This screws PC gamers.

For another huge glaring example, just look at the cinema industry in Hong Kong. 20 years ago, Hong Kong was one of the entertainment capitals of the world, producing over a hundred titles a year. Now it's a pale shade of its former self, producing a dozen or so titles a year. Thank you pirates!

This post has been edited by wankongyew: Nov 4 2008, 02:15 PM

Nah, i dun believe u can win piracy, however by reducing prices of games to rm50 per copy is a great way to reduce
the seduction of piracy. I will support original if that day happens. Till then, no way in hell am i spending 100 bucks per game.
I just dun see that kinda value in games. Games arent life, just past-time entertainment ppl.
As some of u guys suggested, there are reasons why piracy is rampant in a 3rd world country. Think bout it.

This post has been edited by babyrabies: Nov 4 2008, 02:22 PM

emm game is the usa is 50USD here we buy it for 40usd..

Yeap, I 110% agree this. You think set up any "defenses" in your game is possible to prevent got pirated? NO! Only reduce the price will do. Why do we like to support pirated version? Because original is too expensive, and pirated version is cheap. All of us hope can play in original version too. Except for those who just wanted to earn money, but if the original price educed, I bet they don't have any business to do. People will buy original instead of buying pirated version. Main reason which cause piracy is PRICES OF THE GAME!

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Added on November 4, 2008, 2:29 pm*We don't have to blame the game company, because their in other countries. We just have to blame our country, the money so "small" sia*

This post has been edited by xJoeX: Nov 4 2008, 02:29 PM

haha, 1 thing in my mind is...some movies we have to support pirated/bt...which can't really get ori in our country...any1 know?

I wouldnt really say price is the main contributor. Its ppls greed to get something for either close to nothing which is ruining the gaming industry.

Is it possible to not buy a game just becoz they cant afford eventhough there is a cheaper/illegal version out there?

Ppl have to answer that question for themselves. Why cant ppl not buy a pirated game or is the temptation of having a game which they cannot afford is the driving force which make them get an illegal copy. If that is the case, then if i cant afford something, is stealing the answer to my problem?

If i look at what i spent for TF2 and the play hours...thats RM 0.60 per hour...best value ever. Even if I pick something like the time i spent on Crysis i would get RM5.20 per hour. Again good value...

Not everything is about the off the shelf price. Its about value. Want good value? Make good purchasing decisions.

hehe, yeah. some original movies really cant get in here, gotta buy pirated version to watch

If price was a factor then no one would be buying hand phones. People find buying a sub 1000 dollar hand phone good value but a 100 bucks game expensive?

Wow, you can actually value a game based on the pleasure it give you per hour? Like this sure you complain to bapak ayam that his girl no good value if you can calculate like that.

this guy made me buy ori games



its gabe newell

lol dude, HP is HP, game is game. HP is for using, game is for entertainment. Both not same ok? HP won't get bored if you used it too many times, but game will.

I mean like HP is MAIN, game just additional. You get what I mean?

Mentality does play a big part. How many people have said that they would pirate/BT a game in this thread alone? Obviously they see nothing wrong with cheating someone out of the money that they should have earned. It's a primitive, savage mentality that permeates our society at all levels. That being said, mentality plays only half the part. The other half of the equation has to do with our economic situation and earning power as well. You should acknowledge that it plays a significant role in turning to 'alternatives'.

Well pleasure is a subjective matter ...so if one person thinks its bad value...another will think it is very good value. I'm just calculating how long i played the game for the money i payed for it. I'm not making an estimation of fun per hour because that can be argued as of diminishing value etc. So i'll keep it simple and calculate like this instead.

Like for instance if you take what some dotards say..."DoTa is better than sex" then you have to agree with me that for them DoTA is extremely good value and fun.

This post has been edited by frags: Nov 4 2008, 02:59 PM

ok this one don't really apply here that much.. went a company fight Piracy they end up encoraging Piracy.. here the big example EA games, look it up on the Spore DRM thinggy. . which make any one that buy Ori have to suffer some BS but Pirated one don't need to worried about they BS. yes is EA right to protect they product But then what they did to protect it is Illegal in the fist place. now they getting sue

Well to me HP is not "MAIN" and it is not good value to me to spend 1000 bucks on that. But because i find it not good value doesn't give me the right to get a pirated version or steal it simply because it is terrible value for money. No i dont buy it.

Entertainment is not cheap. Like the previous poster said...hiring an escort girl/or pros can be more expensive...worth or not?

Let me conclude
why ppl go for pirated:
1) ori too exp
2) ori quality same as pirated, why pay more?
3) pirated are more easy to get as ori, sometimes can't even get ori ver.
4) pirated are "free", why we pay? especially ppl subscribe Strea**x
5) intellectual property is free, some ppl really think in this way!
6) buy pirated for testing purpose...

why ppl go for ori:
1) i love the thing, so i pay
2) ppl made an effort to build the thing, we need to pay
3) ori make me feel good in terms of quality
4) ori price consider "acceptable" for me, so i go for it
5) ori version got freebie, and it worth, so i pay!
6) can't find the pirated one, so i go for ori

welcome to add in more...

HP got pirated version?

Well, I've got a question, why you keep mention 1k bucks? Buying RM 100 ~ 900 is not restricted ok?


And in woshikurt's why ppl go for ori conclusion, I found just 1 that is acceptable.

2) ppl made an effort to build the thing, we need to pay

1) i love the thing, so i pay < -- its ur fault
3) ori make me feel good in terms of quality <--- its ur fault too
4) ori price consider "acceptable" for me, so i go for it <--- consider acceptable for you doesnt mean everyone
5) ori version got freebie, and it worth, so i pay! <-- not everyone will buy ori version coz it got freebie
6) can't find the pirated one, so i go for ori <-- thats the matter of urs.

Other these are almost consider as crap

why ppl go for pirated:
1) ori too exp <-- yep, its true
2) ori quality same as pirated, why pay more? <-- yeah, wads the diff is just original much valuable than pirated, if u're looking for valueable, GTFO, tats ur matter.
3) pirated are more easy to get as ori, sometimes can't even get ori ver. <-- tats ur living area got prob
4) pirated are "free", why we pay? especially ppl subscribe Strea**x <-- i dun get wad u mean by free,why we pay
5) intellectual property is free, some ppl really think in this way! <-- same as 4)
6) buy pirated for testing purpose... <-- yeah, no ppl will buy ori version for just testing n spend rm100 ++ *except for noobs*

3) is unacceptable, its ur matter, not everyone's living area the same.

This post has been edited by xJoeX: Nov 4 2008, 03:21 PM

add this in Ori have DRM (some) that is illegal in the fist place, brech of privese right, and some time will damage your hard ware pemanetly ie your DVD writer.

pirated. don't have the Above crap

well that is just one company EA games.. they getting sue for it but still want to do it. check google for more information. EA is not the only one that did it but they are the one still doing it at that level

This post has been edited by Revliss: Nov 4 2008, 03:17 PM

What i mean is....those are common reasons ppl go for ori/pirated....

Game companies can prevent piracy like setting up DRM and online activation. New games like C&C:Red Alert 3 are already using these methods to stop piracy. You don't see any pirate Red Alert 3 around, do you? Gaming is not a need. If you have no money to buy, then you don't deserve to buy games.

yeah i know, just doing some explanation hahas



No, i do found a pirated red alert 3 in pudu there. Wow, very offensive arent you? You mean only those who got money can buy game? And those who doesnt have money unable to buy? wad rule is this? Wad for for buying original? Just play a few month or a year den just put it away. Do the game company really care how you support their game? they dun even care a piece of shit how u support them, they just care about money.



yeah, im interested to know too.

This post has been edited by xJoeX: Nov 4 2008, 03:34 PM

Here something i wanna bring up..

What the point promoting us to buy Oris.. while the malaysia internet is so crappy for online gaming..