You don't need to pay RM500 for custom clearance and trasnport if you do it yourself. If you let the agent do it for you, then you have to pay the hefty fee they charges.

The other thing is that you can get SVS to only include the price of the Sub in the invoice. That way you don't need to pay tax for shipping.

PC12-Plus
Sub - $949
D2A shipping - $200 (I assume slightly cheaper than PB12-NSD)
Tax - $251 (26.5% x $949)

RM equivalent = $1400 x 3.55 = RM4970

One thing you all must understand is that the above freight charges are for Air freight. This should be very much less if its via the sea. And also dealer won't be charged full price by SVS as their are some profit built in for the dealer. Just like if we do an MO which is will be like 5-10% discount.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that htkaki should not make profit! He should or else what is the point of doing it. My concern is that the price should not be more than if we are to order it direct ourself or at least the same.

I apologise to htkaki if my pov is not in his best interest. I am only suggesting that it could have been cheaper of at least the same price as if we order it ourself. When I ordered my PC12+, my main concern was the hefty Air freight charges. But then if that thing can be ship by sea, the cost would drop by more than half. Then we are talking dealership here which don't pay full retail price for the sub. That is the profit for the dealer already.

You talk like you know business inside out but your arguement shows otherwise. Being a dealer you order in bulk which is cheaper and you don't send via airfreight but by sea container which is very much cheaper. That should give them plenty of room to factor in their profits and yet keep the price reasonable.

Having a dealer in this regent is not always a good thing. Just look at Denon in malaysia where there is only one dealer and the price is like sky high compare to a few years back. There should be multiple dealership for healthy competition that will benefits the consumer.

SVS should at least let the customer have a choice of dealer or order direct from SVS.

I don't know what you are talking about but the major bulk of the goods shipped worldwide is by sea, not by air.

My point is if i can pay RM4800 that includes LOCAL TAX and SHIPPING Charges to get a PC12+ when I order from SVS direct, why should I pay RM5800 to get it from the local dealer?

Some people don't mind paying extra for less hustle but not all people would like to pay that extra. Those who cannot afford to pay that extra would like to order direct from SVS, but soon realise that SVS do not ship to Malaysia anymore but are force to pay extra to get it locally.

As consumer, I would like to more options for us and also pay less if possible.

You have just realise why monopoly business could harm the consumer. The price of B&W speakers in Mlaysia is so ridiculous.

Go to SVS website....the once famous direct to customer subwoofers that cost less for consumers don't apply to malaysia anymore. Just a few weeks ago, we can still enjoy those benefits by ordering direct but now we are force to pay extra.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Aug 17 2009, 10:14 AM

I fully understand that. What htkaki did is good thing. He is trying to help us all get svs sub....but now the price seems to go higher. And we lose the privilege to order direct from SVS. Imagine if I were to buy a PC12+ now and it would cost Rm5800 plus shipping to Miri, Sarawak which could be another few hundred Rm more. That means a PC12+ is easily Rm6500 which if we order direct would only cost us RM4800. Now I hope all of you can understand why I am complaining about.

I am really sorry for htkaki because it not his fault. I am just not happy because if I have to buy another PC12+ now, it just cost so much more.

You should also try Eagles Farewell Tour Part.1

I have it in mkv with the DTS sound. Man this is one of the best concert ever and the sound quality and bass is awesome.

Of course .... if u don't mind spending a few thousand more for the EQ. Its all money talk.

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Added on September 27, 2009, 5:29 pmI guess my PC12+ feels a little flat sometimes, so i suppose the chart is pretty flat too!

This post has been edited by lightning69: Sep 27 2009, 05:30 PM

Hehehe...i don't think i want a graph to convince me how good my sub would sound. As long as I am happy with what I am hearing then I'm OK liaw.
Nothing in this world is perfect and I won't pursue it either.

Btw, HTkaki, how much is the MTS tower and bookshelf speakers?

Everyone faces budget constrain. I can afford a few PB13+ and even EQ but i just don't want to spend those kind of money. (Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to show of that I am rich or something....Rm30k is nowhere near rich hahaha)

However, I think we can always get better sound if we keep spending. But the the law of diminishing returns kind of falls flat pretty fast. The other thing for me is do I really need those reference quality sound(off course I do!) but the real issue is can I really tell the difference? What is more important is not to do a side by side comparison to highlight and difference but rather sit back and really enjoy the movies. The biggest mistake a lot of people make is they pay to much attention to the hardware and forget to enjoy the entertainment that those hardware are suppose to bring.

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Added on September 28, 2009, 12:41 pmI do agree that sub position do affect the sound. I have my HT in my living room and there is only one place I can put my sub that is at the corner. I could put it somewhere else but that would looks odd for my living room. So at the end of the day i have to decide whether I want to reposition my sub to get better sound with better looking curves(which I can't even see) and end up with a sub that ends up in a odd position in the living room?

In the end, i won't really care about how flat my sub curves would look like(maybe I am just not that hardcore) because I won't really know if my sub is missing a few db at 50hz or so. What i do know is that i am getting the low frequency that puts a smile on my face. Its just me.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Sep 28 2009, 12:41 PM

Where did the shipment come from...Sg or USA?

Generally, for women I prefer the 2 round and curvy mountains!!!

Flat curves does not indicate the quality of the sound therefore your interpretation of "clean" sound is not entirely correct. It simply shows that the sound level is more or less the same across all frequencies.

But of course flat curve is place to start when you want to calibrate your sound system. In the end, our ears are still the best judge of sound quality.

"It shook my home like no other woofer I have ever experienced; deep, tight, melodic and controlled.

If you are lucky enough to get a demo of one of these, you’ll live off potato soup for a year, or even sell your spouse, to be able to get one.
It’s the single most glorious and potent sub bass system it has ever been my privilege to play with."

That is quite a sub huh. 1000Pound Sterling = RM5594 (base on latest Maybank Exchange rate)

So what is the price in Malaysia? Please PM me Htkaki. Also includes the price of all the SVS speakers too. Thanks.

I didn't say I can get it at that price. I just see the review says it 1000 Pound Sterling and when converted to Ringgit is only RM5.6K. That is all.

BTW, I do pay only RM3800 for my PC12+. So PC13+ at Rm5.6K is not surprising to me.

Did your father own this place?

diick!

You so piss because you end up paying so much more but that ain't my fault. Our silly gov't took your money. I am simply doing a conversion to see how much it cost over there.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Sep 30 2009, 01:22 AM

I am not going to argue over the price sold in Malaysia VS UK. Like I mentioned, I was reading the wonderful review and it so happen it state the price over there. By converting it gives me an idea of the price. I know its going to be more expensive here definitely due to the taxes.

Regarding the 220V certification, I would say that is just plain bullshit from SVS. IF you read the AVS forum, SVS have got their 220V certification long ago when they started to ship to Europe and nothing was mentioned about the steep fees they pay for that. Again why hefty fee on 220V certification when 220V is like a norm in half of the globe? Its just an excuse for SVS to charge more. When the first group of Malaysian including me order the SVS, we all were not charge any extra for 220V certification so why now? Not to mention the Singaporeans neighbour have been order SVS sub long before us and never were there any mention or 220v certification fee. In fact they got bulk order discount. Like I said SVS have got the 220V certification to export it long ago.

And I think its absolutely unnecessary for some to call me names and send me a PM with absolutely nasty words.


This post has been edited by lightning69: Sep 30 2009, 11:25 AM

Let me know which post did I did that? I love my SVS sub and I would like to see as many of you here own this wonderful sub. But we must also take consideration on the price we gonna pay for it and that means digging further and comparing prices. Some of you might be loaded and would pay anything regardless but not all are rich like them. AS a consumer I always look for cheaper and fair price.

Htkaki...i'm so sorry if I offended you. I really did not intend that to happen. I am just asking questions regarding why suddenly the 220V surcharge now by SVS.

Ron did wrote emails to me regarding that but i think that is just an excuse. My argument being that why other country like Europe that is running on 220V which SVS have been exporting have not such issue. Remember SVS have been exporting their sub to 220v countries for many years now.

The other thing is imagine that there a lots of electrical component coming from US like Iphone etc that use 220v too but where is the hefty fee for certification on them?

Once again I'm deeply sorry if my concern hurt you in anyway.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Sep 30 2009, 02:56 PM