Erm...seriously considering to go into music...just hope to hear bout you guyz that are really into this area...
doesnt matter what instrument or job (just make sure that its in the music field )
what are the pro & cons of being a full time musician?or music teacher?
how much do the specific job earn per month?

this really depends on a lot of things.... if you're a teacher, it depends on your class duration, fees, and how many students you have (duh)... if you're an awesome teacher im sure you can get pretty decent income. Not to mention if you hold classes with a few students all at once, chances are you'll make quit ea lot.

nowdays guitar lessons are like.... 50 bucks for 1/2 hour - 45 mins? That's crazy. Imagine teaching 10 classes a week (5 hours total time). Thats 2K a month just on teaching. If you do other stuff like play in pubs/clubs/bars, you'll probably hit the 3K mark.... that assumes you're really good at what you do

um...sound ok,but i've heard that some musicians actually say that is quite tough for musicians in terms of funds and cost of living?so usually you guys teach with spare time and do gigs ocasionaly?

i'm not a teacher nor a professional musician.

but from what i heard, unless u're the best of the best in the country, its really hard to make a living in malaysia.
even the big names in malaysia also have a hard time making money performing.

so i guess that just leaves teaching music, and that's a more stable source of income.

as i know.... its a hard living for musician in msia ... =(

lolz...the part bout income is what worries me the most...
i mean in KL maybe its better,but other area like Klang?its a whole different story...

You can't just perform to earn money,it's simply not enough in Malaysia.

haha i guess most of the people here are just musicians. less than a handful are good, and even lesser than that are composers.

lol sad to say, i'm one of the noobies. i only know how to copy. havent learn how to be creative yet.

yes, i am a cover band

to be a full time musician..
hard la.. in malaysia...
unless u r very very famous..
if work as a music teacher..
can survive.. juz like kenetix said..

1. Beginner violin student average fee monthly is RM100.
2. The music school will give around 60% to the teacher, which is RM60.
3. Every class is 30 minutes.
4. Teaching full day, from 10AM to 5PM (estimate) which is 7 hours per day.
5. 7 hours can slot in 14 students.
6. Every monthly, you will be paid that for teaching 14 students.
7. 14 students times RM60 is RM840.
8. What if the teacher are working 5 days in a week?
9. 14 students times 5 days in a week is 70 students grand total
10. 70 students times RM60 is RM4200.

Think again, that is the amount you have earn for just teaching beginners. You can still enjoy 2 days rest from it.

What if teaching grade 5 students? Grade 5 average monthly fee is RM160.

So RM160 times 70 students is RM11, 200.

What about grade 8? Diploma????

Malaysians likes to talk about the amount of earning money, so this is theory. Everyone in this thread post is just does not make enough sense for me as I am really serious in music and I have experienced it.

Each Malaysian Philharmonic Orchestra musician earns about RM1, 000 in one performance. I could not explain a lot on this, there is a forumer named "little ice" knows more than me.

Other than that, rock musician earns about RM1, 000 too for a performance. It does not matter if it is a band or solo. I have done a guitar performance for a company and I get paid RM400 for just 3 songs performance. You can do the math for the rest.

Speaking of performance, you have to be very good before you really go out and work. Make sure you play something that the audience likes, but not being selfish playing licks.

This post has been edited by Paramore: Oct 20 2008, 08:31 PM

hmmm...

as for teaching..best bet is to try out anything to do with Grades ..Rock school for example ..

Grade 3 - RM140 per month
Grade 4 - RM160 per month
Grade 5 - RM180 per month..

your salary increases based on how far a student progress ..

if you are not qualified , your student forever paying you RM100 per month ..

anyway , just don't get too carried away to "wanna make loads of money" ....just have fun and have passion ..it will pay , short tem loss , long term gain

okay ..besides the pay ..

another thing to consider is ..."the next promotion" ..

such as , you canot be a guitar teacher forever , one day ..you gotta open your own school..take it to the next level
you canot be a pub/live musician forever , one day ...you gotta be a big time producer , or a pub owner ...take it to the next level.
you cannot be a salesman forever , one day..you gotta open your own bentley music ..take it to the next level..

so ..
pick an industry that suits you..and
go for industries that have a very possible and positive long term effect for you

something that you can actually learn something besides "how to teach" , "how to sell" ..
see how others manage their companies , their systems ...

so that one day you can expand and take it to the next level ..

few more things to consider or you can improve on that could potentially increase your income :
1.returning customer
2.word of mouth
3.networking or customer base (follow up)



This post has been edited by gapnap: Oct 21 2008, 01:25 AM

im not really into the earning load of money thing,its just that its hard to convince my parents why i want to change field,i like to go into the music field,i just dont wanna jump into a blind conclusion 1st,so i decided to ask you guyz,i just hope that my parents wouldn't worry bout me when i switch field but what you guyz shared is really important for me,at least i get an idea what im jumping into,thanks guyz!!!hope there are more input on everybodys experience

well , if being in the music line is your passion , then by all means go for it ...

if not , 10 years down the road , you sure feel life very meaningless ..

i guess you are old enough , your parents should be able to understand ..

i switch field banyak kali already..from science stream , to accounting to music ..but of course make sure you don't switch because you are failing your subjects lah .. switch because you want to ..

lolz...accounting to music?radical man...
im currently in office job,maybe staying until i have enough funds to study music and buy instruments...
currently thinkin of getting a electric guital later,currently have 2 violins,1 accoustic guitar & 1 classical
but would prefer to focus more on violin for now

This post has been edited by icyfawkes: Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM

Part time performer in pub.

A night with 3 sets; 45 minutes each set, RM200 - RM250 a night.

Depending on the place and the crowd la.

icyfawkes : hey , its not too bad lah..what type of business doesn't require accounting ? hehe..i can keep track on my band's expenditure , claims and stuff ...

aaron5829 : wah bro , you pay is seriously fvcking high ...250 per night ? OMG ...my band only gets RM150 max , per night ..perhaps you are in the Jazz / RNB pub scene ?

the most i got was RM200 , but that was in a club as a solo guitarist with a DJ ..not as a band ..

omg..tats a high price ahh??
my first ever got paid performance is rm200 per night wif another 5 ppl and.. playing 3 songs only.. and plus we r juz students..

and you guyz play gigs 5 times a week?

for me no..
hahaha..
tats our only one get paid performance..
only one time.......... =.="
i wan more!!

This post has been edited by x-crusader: Oct 21 2008, 01:23 PM

Well, yeah, our band plays in a wine and dine bistro/cafe.

We play all types of music ler...

And we play on every Friday of the week.

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Added on October 21, 2008, 2:12 pmBut, i never thought i'm a good guitarist.. hehe...

Just tipu tipu makan.. but i feel i'm a good teamplayer...

Not the kind of guitarist who wanna show off solos on every single song... haha. Besides, i dont even dare to show off... later kena throw bottle..

lol

This post has been edited by aaron5829: Oct 21 2008, 02:12 PM

solo show offs?ahem* santana
you mean you are doing this full time?

no lar... it's my part time leisure job, and it's a hobby. I have a daytime job...
Playing in a band is fun for me.... i love playing in bands, i dont mind playing even if they dont pay... i just love playing...

Btw, i'm in a 6-piece band...

I dont like doing those unplugged or sequenced music stuff...

lolz...i wonder how would it be if you do it full time...

No, not really. Santana is a soloist, so, he's not it.

I mean, i've seen a few local guitarists playing in a band, even playing covers, they just "GOTTA" do something technical, which actually spoils a good song, but he thinks he's so great.

For example... do you shred playing country songs ? Guess not.

Or, messing with harmonics in samba ? *buzzer* no.



That's what i meant.

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Added on October 21, 2008, 2:32 pmI was full time when after my college days...

After that, i sort of quit of a few years...

I joined back my old band last year.

Until today lor.

My body kinda used to 9-5 routines... playing at night, makes me tired.

LOL


This post has been edited by aaron5829: Oct 21 2008, 02:32 PM

where did u play, what event?

6piece band plays what? wow haha thats pretty big.

me too. i'll play for free

dude...dont intimidate me from going into this field man

say out very pai seh la..

This post has been edited by x-crusader: Oct 21 2008, 04:27 PM

dun need to be shy shy kua. unless its an aqua club or something :shy:

haha!

i am guessing it was an event right ?

event and pubs are different

pubs , your job is more stable , usually go by contract ...like aaron5829 ...he plays every friday ..
most pub bands gets paid between RM110-RM140 per night , 6 days a week , 9pm-1am ..

as for events ..
it is not a stable job , it is only a one off , so your pay varies ..could be as low as RM50 per person , to RM8000 per person per night

yea..
its a event night...
tats y performed only one time...
no more..
i wan more..

wow...i think im gonna die young if i do this for at least 10 years... 9 till 1am for 6 days a week...omg...no offence guyz...juz think that you guyz are tough man...


This post has been edited by icyfawkes: Oct 22 2008, 08:10 AM

huh..work for 4 hours a day only worrr...

much better than 9-5pm job ..

ugh...come to think of it...4 hours do sound better than an 8 hour job...but until late at night,dont you guyz feel tired or something?

Your body will get used to it.

Last time when i play full time, my sleeping hours are 5am - 2pm. 3:30pm practice til 6pm. Get some rest. Start playing at 10pm.

i guess every job has its own sacrifices...

this is the life i want

local musicians earning ranging from rm1.5k ~ rm10k. depends on what you do, and how you do.

say, teaching can be around rm80~rm300, but the music center gonna take at least 40% from that (you're very lucky to find a center give you 70%). private teaching can be as less as rm50 per hour to rm200 per hour, normally a master degree holder will charge rm120 per hour.

gigs are about rm200 per night (1~3sets, depends) to rm1000 per night, depends on what kind of gigs you play. if you play for royal family events, you might get around rm800~rm1000 + $$$ tips if anyone love your playing. if you're going through agents, you'll expect less.

orchestra players i'm not too sure, but it'll be around rm2k to rm5k. this you have to ask around. well i'm not including MPO here, if you think you're that good, you don't need to ask your initial question anymore.

and there's also music production field but i won't get deep into that cause there're too many variations.

lolz,thx little ice,definately not MPO standard here haha...

i don't know about others, but we do see here example of few forummers who can make a good money just being a musician..

me, i don't dare yet to go full time musician.., that's why i keep my day time job.. !

just play occasionally at corporate event.., doing dinner show or other event that involves live band.

i'm play guitar and vocals sometimes, my band usually a 5-piece or sometimes 6-pieces band.

pay around - 1,500 to 3k per show.. that's really cheap i think.. if thinking from the preparation to that event..

play for free also for own company event..

the way i see it now - in malaysia - it's not that easy to make a living by being a musician alone.. !

you have diversify or have extremely great talent so that ppl will pay more to see u and ur band playing..

i think our pub and bar gives too much space to those filipinos.. , but they are not solely to be blame either, those filipinos musician / grup comes in package - usually they good and sexy.!

sexy is the one lacking from our band show..

what else can make money from being a musician?

write / compose a song - price starts from 500 - 5000 per pop. depends on ur popularity lah..! if you're just starting., they might pay u peanut.., wait till 1 of your song getting to the chart, then only ppl will start paying attention to you., and pay you more..!

teach instrument - for RM50 for half hour.. not bad ya?..

be an arranger - this one also pays well - about 500-800-1500 per song. (that's what i heard the normal rate)

the best way to make money - be an artist itself la! group some members, practice, create ur own song then try to push the demo to all records company in malaysia.., if u're lucky ..! u might get a record deal.! and be an artiste..

or.. sell it online.!

LOL ... seriously ?

morpheuzneo how do you balance your day job and music?is it possible if your job requires you 5 days a week?that leaves 2 days and 5 nights to spare... i wanna leave some space to sleep >.<"

no balance maa..! ...

that's the price u have to pay.. for being an IT engineer by day and musician by night..!

but, the thing is.. my show is mostly not on weekdays., and i got booked quite in advance,. (like 3-4 weeks before the date)..

i will check with all band-mates to sure whether they're available on that dates and confirmed back with the event organiser.

the price is quite standard..

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days of no show.., is spent in front of pc laa., fiddling here and there.. trying to come out with new song.. or spent at friends studio doing arrangement.. (mostly not that high-paid job laa)

not a good money thou., just a love of music that caused me doing all this thing..

if u're really serious., better be a really good musician.! if.. so-so.. like me.., haaha. u better keep your day job laa!

or be like aaron! he's so good i think.! can get a regular spot in the pub..!

i play a lot's of cover song also..! mostly....

lolz...IT engineer,you have guts man thats a freaking busy job...
i think i just need the courage to try it...

hey.. dive in! don't let other discourage you..! if you're still young.. you can always back off later..

but .. if you really put your heart into it., and show no turning back! 1 day you will reap all the benefits..!

seriously..! anything that we put our heart into it., surely will give something back to us..!

yep yep. wanna hire me?

well said. u can only do it if you're young dun regret later.

is 20 years old still young?

....how many local artist drive a BMW?...M.Nasir drives an old BMW...some earn afew RM's a show..but u have to remember that can be the only show for the year....the most well earned singer in malaysia is Siti and most of that cames from Pepsi....What kind of song u want to sing also play a roll, Pop usually easier to earn, i know to many dead local artist to encorage u to do it, live like beggers , chasing paymenyt after shows and only famous amongs friends and small group....but if u really think u can make it dont let me stop u...just want to let u know...2 of Malaysia's First Rock Band, still alive now afer so many years...do u know how well they are doing?

for a musician, could be a lil old. but then see your heart and of course talent ler.

i guess that is true to some extent. but if u really love something, i bet money is not always the factor that u take into right? if enough to survive, i bet u'd keep going at it until a big break or u get lucky.

and of course, dun always limit yourself locally. if u're the best at what u do, why stop at being a domestic artist? international is the way to go. if u know for yourself that u are good, and the local market doesnt seem to suit you, go somewhere else. definately much better talent outside the country.

u can make more and also learn even more.

if u want to do it for the sake of "love" plse do...but listen carefully to the lyrics of our local song...its always about "pain of life". What pain of life do u think they r talking about?....

Its very sad, but i dont want to be the person to be blame for not warning...i even had quite a famous artist asking to come and see the show, bring friends...help with ticket sale...and i thought he/she was doing well...

Malaysia market to small to support every artist...to many already...but composer or producer is sth else...try that first..if u can write a good song...then put your life on the live...but if u r just living and earning singing hits of yesterday....forget it....

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Added on October 22, 2008, 4:37 pm....ask any local artist and the words that is familiar to all of them is "..indah khabar dari rupa..."....very common phrase use amongst them..and also every wonder why many of them open restaurant...i bet u can name who...

well thats my 2 cents...

This post has been edited by metalmania: Oct 22 2008, 04:37 PM

hmm...good post...well,gotta say i saw this coming,just need to hear it from you guyz...well,everything always have its pro & cons...but thx for the feed metalmania at least i know hows the situation is in this field lately...

to many uncles and friends gone down this road....family break ups and some got married when they thought the BIG BREAK OR LUCK will catch up...it never did..and invested all their savings trying...end up poor alone and jobless...to old to try again or to run downed..very2 sad..

had some one very close..spent everything, went onersea for BIG BREAK OR LUCK , even married a european, BIG BREAK OR LUCK didnt come, finally divorce and after a few years of dish washing there finally had enough to return..remarried and now doing sth else...doing very well...
This person was a hit here locally...not just starting oversea...so for those who give advise..."jangan pandai2" your advise can be taken seriously and this young chaps life could be in ruins...

Take a look and think carefully..is your career as an artist really sweet and full of life?....would u wish some one else go through the same "artist luck" or would u wish he study, get a well paid job or business, then chase dreams...

This post has been edited by metalmania: Oct 22 2008, 05:00 PM

maybe instead of going to those kinda band stuff,im kinda more to strings like violin,what do you think?

strings are a little better chance...most malaysian artist are not musical ppl...just pandai main lagu sendiri...

orchestra u mean?...better chance...if u have hidden skills even better...

lolz...teaching still looks like the best option so far if i wanna have music and income

metalmania..,

if taken from 1 malay proverb - "jika tak di pecahkan ruyungnya, manakan dapat sagunya"..

it means literally, if you haven't try something, how can you know the result..

what i'm wrote earlier, is to tell this young man - go and jump into it with full heart! if your heart is into it..! but he must work extra hard to make it work!!

don't just do it like normal artiste in local scene.., do it differently..!

look at some good example - KRU - they do make it BIG right? Khatijah Ibrahim, she's doing really well until today in local showbiz.., not in term of album but live show in hotels..

like i wrote before, to be successful musician or make a living as a musician.., u must be able to withstand all the hard knocks laa!

and you must be very good laa!

or.., u start your career abroad .. try your luck there.., then only come back..!

but reality check - i have to agree with whatever metalmania wrote!
life as a musician., it not really a bed of roses..!

picture this - you're just 20.., earn enough.. to pay most of ur bill.., then hv to go through life crisis.., meet gf.. get married.. wife's runaway.. divorce.., go alone..

silap-silap - u end up with drugs..! that's the most dreadful thing that i saw in this showbiz..

drugs is everywhere..! in studio.. at show..

it takes a will of iron to stay clean .. and be on the white side..! (not the dark side)

Change your hobby and go into ballroom dancing or salsa, stuff like that...if in KL can earn ALOT of money ....and get nice chicks to hug as well ..think abt it...I know cause my uncle is in it....but that also need to take exams...not cheap to be a dancing instructor.

lol..
its abt musician not abt dancer la..-.-

LOL bro, come on lar.. I'm not good at all lar... there are a lot of greater musicians out there.

To be honest, to get regular spots at pubs and all, the 'not so' secret and most important is SOUND GOOD AS A BAND.

Individual skills mean nothing when the bandmates cannot cooperate with each other or sound amateurish.

A lot might argue that, great individual skills makes a great band... my answer is, sure, but not all the time.

When a member feels he is better than another member, problems start.

Clean up the parts, tighten the music and attacks, be simple, only go all out when needed to. Like when it's time for you to show it all off, then by all means, go ahead.

You know how a sessionist play ? That is how it's supposed to be done.

Just my opinion.

tats y my band dismiss...

In Johor Bahru ,
Classical Guitar = RM75
Electric Guitar = RM75 - 85
Drums = RM85
30minits only.....Reli expensive loh....Cant imagine they earn how much....

i tot this consider cheap already??

what kind of musicians we talking about??

well if u want to talk about bands, then that one starting nice sallary but later down in the road tak cukup punya.

those qualified teachers who studied music oversea earn a minimum sallary about 4k and above as starting pay.

those who paly in orchestras earn at 10k minimum.

and all this and still enjoy music, jobs cant be better than this.

Just cant wait to finnish spm and go england to study classical!!
YEA( just wanted to release LOL)

errr...r u sure they r doing well...i've worked for them before...think i have a pretty good idea how they r doing....like i said "indah khabar dari rupa..." but if u insist i'm not stopping u...but thats my POV of the current situation...lot more to music business than meet the eye...what is available to public is merely surface...

If any one can make it, i'm more than happy to listen to your concerts and buy original...but remember if capsize wear life vest...


I asked many of them any most say...not easy life, i'm so into singing its addictive..not to brag i know many who tried..not a cheerful sight of what has become...still crave life on the fast lane...

My senior when i was working at a architect firm former group member...in his corner, old guitar leaning against the wall next to him..posters of old time...first time i asked him to play a tune, he would say those time are long gone...he dosent touch the guitar just a reminder of what has been...

The market is very narrow, shallow and up hill most of the time...but try it if u want to...but prepare to face it head on...

I always thought local entertainers live a fruitful live...but after being around them...its far from sweet...music is not malaysia's strong points...piracy..cd sales...just check out music retailers...ask around..i visit music store almost everyday...and business is far from good..and thats quality imported cds, i dont even want to get into local stuff...

To get any label to represent u when is a nightmare...!!!..and not to mention "curi lagu...!!!!"...WTF!!!!...also got..

Well thats it from me..i hope i didnt offend any one this is my POV and inside story

Just a thought "One day your son or daughter wants to marry a full musician, famous and peak of his/her career....what would be your main concern?"...now what u r thinking of right now in your head is what i'm talking about...

This post has been edited by metalmania: Oct 22 2008, 11:06 PM

i dont think that anybodys post is offending,everyones just being informative bout their own experiance
it is always better to look into something on the bright & dark side too...
btw BelowAverage....why go UK when Australian Orchestra is top notch and nearer too?

hehey.., good the hear..

about the curi lagu one.., yeah.. it's like.. me too scenario.. i've been into that scenario too..

but still.., i'm at it.. , trying maybe.. this time i have better luck..!!

well, like you said.. it's tough luck.! not like in a movie coyote ugly.. ! where it looks so easy to get inspired and sell your song..

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ahah.. i'm talking from composing point of view..!

that's why i still have day job..! not brave enough to sacrifice everything..

but.., dreams live on man! what else we can live on.. we can only dream and hope right?

don't let the dream fade away..., surround yourself with music ppl., with music friends.., you never what you never get..

they have their aura.., you have your's .. sometimes sparks happen.. somewhere.. anywhere.. !



rock on..!


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On aaron wrote about band attitude..!, yes - spot on mate! to be in a band.. is to play like a band!

you can't even think that you're good or better than any other members of the band.. and if you are., you are the one who need to guide them.., not to provoke them or to show off..!

learn this hard way...! and would not hesitate to kick off any band member of behave unlike the band member supposed to be..

discipline is most important thing.., to be able to show up on time for practise.., for show. for any appointment..!

no discipline.., you're as good as goner!

haha and i always thought musicians are always late

i think keeping the day job would be a better option until im ready to leave the country...planning to persue music studies abroad,Australia or UK better?

i have a friend who's studying his masters in conducting in australia.
i guess overseas, the appreciation for music is much more when compared to here.

i guess pretty much are around the same level, with uk being slightly higher. but then the cost of living there is higher too.

so i guess the wiser choice would be australia?

oh...what if i have relatives at UK?would that make UK a better option?

well it could be fun for u if ones enjoy it... but 6days a week...hmmm

grr.. should put more rock n metals music in Malaysian thinking....

Well do you mean a Chinese rock band wont stand a chance?


lol, so u think earning with dancing would be easier compare to musicians? It is still the same, such as events that are only appears once in a while, and same as musicians, and doing performance a little here and there

It would be a better option because ull have companions , ppl to take care of you, teack you to to 'live' in this new environment, or may b can provide u place to stay, and is better if they are involve in music too

u mean u want to study there right?
i guess that would help with lodging and everything.

but ultimately, what would be the most expensive would be your tuition fees ler.
the currency exchange rate is a killer. and cost of living is usually higher in UK if u stay in the cities.
if u stay in the suburbs on the other hand, i guess it would be easier

well its in ipswich,so i dont think it will be a killer like london or glasgow

if you want to drill on your techniques and skills, there's no reason why shouldn't save more money, head to MPO and look for teachers? many MPO players teach although their fees are high but it's still so much cheaper studying abroad.

most of the oversea uni are not as good as you thought, in fact, some are even worse than local ones. i've seen this with my own eyes, as well as opinions who actually studied abroad and came back. actually 90% of the course offered oversea are the same as the one offered locally.

imvho, the best you can do is to enroll local degree course, and drill your skills under MPO players.

the only reason to study abroad, is that you are very rich (you're looking at rm150k and above), you can opt for the best uni in US/UK/AU and you'll definitely learn a lot more than local option.

remember, no matter which school you're doing to, it's all depends on yourself. if you're a hardworking student, you'll learn a lot basically *anywhere*.

Exactly, some people, eventhough they are good, they are always there to guide, these kind of people earn their respect...and some good musicians, always look down on other musicians. I hate these type of musicians.

And so true about dicipline, as not only in turning up for practices on time etc..., but in terms of music playing, he/she has to be very diciplined as well.

Then only a band can sound good.

Also, if you have a band, harmonization in vocals is key too.

local degree?is there a local college/uni that offer music studies? lolz...little ice...wanna recomend MPO players?

ucsi, icom, mia, sunway, even um.. and alot more
offers music studies...

stealing is a major issue...some one i know actually post a copy of his own lyrics and cd copy of his creation to himself before sending it or letting anyone see it..

when he recieve his own package he dosent break the Post seal...if its sealed in post seal, its a certified secured...if anyone steal his song he can bring the package to court sealed as proof he knew of the song before the new owner claimed it...

I know one so call "abang tolong ajar...." scam by very well known composer...claimed to "..let me have a look and i put some of my magic in it...." but stole it with some added stuff of his....

If any one here is good, try composing...Jayz was not living as large before be started composing..snoop dog also...

This post has been edited by metalmania: Oct 23 2008, 03:34 PM

usually if u get a contract by a pub, 6days a week, u'll be the only band tat play for the pub for tat period ?

or are there other band tat plays while u rest?
sry i'm not a clubber

Bro, it depends on the pub ler.

Certain pubs have happy hour bands, some pubs, hire a different band on saturdays, some only have 1 resident band.

So it varies.

However, the most common, only 1 band... because bands are not cheap. lol

haha yeah and then long contracts are usually cheaper mar.

and more stable

@icy - currently one of the best col/uni for classical music is UCSI if i'm not wrong. icom is fully modern music, no classical course offered, however UCSI offered both modern music (much smaller by comparison) and classical music.

from what i saw, many musicians accelerate their skills and techniques in master degree, so bachelor is more like a music knowledge course (doesn't mean you don't learn much of your instrument, though). that's why i recommend you opt for mpo players as your teacher (externally) so you can accel in both.

oh and to be fair, there're also a lot of excellent musicians playing as good as master degree holder but they don't hold *any* degree certs at all.

is it possible if i talk to you about this in msn?its abit inconvinient discusing this by posting lolz!!!

yes no to spam

lolz...thats not what i meant,its easier to communicate about that particular subject on msn lolz...
really hope there is a MPO player that would share information bout this topic here
so far we got info bout freelance bands,teachers & music writter/composers already...no orchestra player?

This post has been edited by icyfawkes: Oct 24 2008, 03:11 PM

majority MPO players are mat salleh.
Which means that they are oversea.

I dont think they hang out here.

To enter MPo, haha, not very easy, actually, is verii hard

lolz...doesnt need MPO player,at least a local orchestra player of other teams

icy, i prefer to discuss here so everybody can take it as reference, and i might not 100% accurate and some have their own experiences so everyone can share.

yea... its a gud topic...

MPO Salary :

“As much as 95 percent of the foreign musicians are paid between RM16,000 and RM28,000 a month and given two months paid leave every year. The conductor is paid RM130,000 a month while the (conductor’s) assistant is paid RM50,000 a month,” he said."

From http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:jdWs9U...clnk&cd=5&gl=my

This post has been edited by wodenus: Oct 25 2008, 04:18 PM

gosh, we're spending million every month just for mpo players and maintenance...

lolz...i think they can afford it...if im not mistaken MPO is funded mostly by Petronas?
if yes...then the price tag definately isint a prob haha...anyway,its a good thing that malaysia would get good players for us to listen right?

I wrote my own songs. I love music because I love composing. I've been searching for ways to let people hear my songs but its just too difficult. People that i manage to let them listen are just my friends and they will like it very much. But whenever they praise my song, I will feel very sad deep inside although I am happy that they like it cos' I know even if they like it, even the songs are good, I will not have the chance to use it to reach a higher level.. such as notice by record labels maybe..?

But my passion for music still dragging me along until I notice that I need a band. So this brings me to those band searching website and yes... I met a lot of musician. But still searching for musician to form a band. From metalmania, a composer can earn better? I compose more than 50 finished songs and dont-know maybe more than 200 of unfinished songs but how can i let it be usable for my advantage?

For the curi lagu part, yea... I worried too as I did send some of my purportedly good songs to some artist and producers who claim that they can have a view and give some comments. But no answer from them then.

I joined a songwriting workshop before with fees, not because I want to learn but because I hope I can meet people like me and at the same time, let the singer/songwriter listen to my composing... so that maybe he could guide on how to or where should i pass the song to the right people. But to cut short, at the end I wasted my money for the fees and my time. Very sad.

Music path... its not easy.