PC Audio foobar2k Q&A, Guides, help & comments are welcome...
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 Oct 21 2008, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(gac @ Oct 21 2008, 02:25 PM) snip Why worry? I'm not stopping anyone from distorting their sound. Hey if I were against such ideas, I would not have ordered those NOS tubes from America. Tubes generate lots of 2nd order harmonics. My post was to remind people of the effects of oversampling or increasing bit rates. |
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Oct 21 2008, 03:11 PM
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1,205 posts Joined: Aug 2007 From: In the heart of Kuala Lumpur
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Oct 21 2008, 02:57 PM) We using foobar more than audio quality alone, the unlimited customizability it offers that I crave on, plus it can use ASIO and Kernel Streaming and it low memory footprint is great, as I only need a fast player to play my music, simple interface that I can customize to my taste and organizing my music. Its a lot better than WMP offers agreed partially, i do aware of the customizability of foobar2k, no doubt. but i dont fancy media organization. i m used to inserting CDs when i needed them. We are not stopping people from using fancy DSP or resampling software, the point is, if you can hear differences when using resampler (bar the DSP, as it DOES alters the music), like LittleGhost said, its either purely placebo or the software itself alters the data itself, hence differences. I'm not stopping them using them, just telling the fact what going on when they uses them Talking about own preferences, some people do listen to others for advice, even when they talking about who are going to be their partner in life (husband/wives). Just look at 'Cupid Corner' subforum and see what I mean, people nowadays is funny, they don't know what they want  other words, i prefer a simple interface just for a simple person like me.  as i said, resampling does not downgrade a piece of music. it is not a "colouring" agents liking the SRS, CMSS, etc.... it resample to enhance music by making it more "ACCURATE". Simply, not all people nowadays dont know what they wanted. Maybe these are one of those factors resulting many divorcing cases.  I do listen to others for advice, thats the reason i give foobar2k, winamp, ttplayer for a try..... u got it  but again, it is still my self-preferences |
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Oct 21 2008, 03:13 PM
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5,211 posts Joined: Feb 2005 From: Konohana
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I just edit my previous post regarding resamplng, read that
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Oct 21 2008, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Oct 21 2008, 03:13 PM) I just edit my previous post regarding resamplng, read that u still dont get my point.... anyway, lets go back to foobar2k Q&A. This post has been edited by gac: Oct 21 2008, 03:19 PM |
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Oct 21 2008, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(gac @ Oct 21 2008, 03:17 PM) u still dont get my point.... And your point is? You understand what resampling is in the first place? As I can see, you only wanted to argue pointlessly, read all about resampling, upsampling, then you know what is itThis post has been edited by Najmods: Oct 21 2008, 03:20 PM |
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Oct 21 2008, 03:25 PM
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597 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Kota Bharu
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your comment is subjective..i respect that..and i am not to argue...
our ears are not alike..you can hear..and i am stone deaf..thats it..end of story.. i'm definitely looking my answer in the wrong thread.. Cheers |
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Oct 21 2008, 04:17 PM
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1,205 posts Joined: Aug 2007 From: In the heart of Kuala Lumpur
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Oct 21 2008, 03:19 PM) And your point is? You understand what resampling is in the first place? As I can see, you only wanted to argue pointlessly, read all about resampling, upsampling, then you know what is it chilled out.... when it comes to human perceptions, everything go out the windows.  maybe i might understand as GOOD as you. my point is not correct or wrong? it is purely my point of view. It seems that u are forcing others to believe what u believe. well, not me. u said the argument is"pointless", well u r right in some human sense. Again do reflect otherwise.I am still in the learning stage, so does others. DO FORGET this is a forum to exchange "thoughts". All earlier posting, i never mentioned the word "FACTS".... just to remind it is purely, my POV. Nothing wrong or correct. It is the matter of YES or NO. open your mind and read the following articles .... here is some of the excerption "The effects of upsampling are greatly debated. While it is true that upsampling does help us in attenuating the amount of jitter caused by sampling errors and an inaccurate clock, whether this jitter is audible or not is a point of contention." http://www.audioholics.com/education/audio...al-audio-page-2 The sound quality of 44.1 kHz digital audio data can be dramatically improved by employing a “poor” oversampling digital anti-imaging filter having a slow roll-off in place of a “good” digital filter having a fast roll-off and a high stop band attenuation. It was shown that the ultrasonic images output by this “poor” filter is responsible for the improved sound quality, reducing certain forms of non-linear distortion such as that due to the differential non-linearity found in all DACs. There may very well be other, subtler, forms of non-linear distortion in DACs, which may also be reduced by signal-dependent ultrasonic dither. http://www.mlssa.com/pdf/Upsampling-theory-rev-2.pdf it is a PDF. and also this: - http://www.thetadigital.com/upsampling.htm This post has been edited by gac: Oct 21 2008, 04:21 PM |
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Oct 21 2008, 04:39 PM
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597 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Kota Bharu
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your excerpt have been mix up with upsampling and oversampling...both use very different approach..
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Oct 22 2008, 12:54 AM
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1,271 posts Joined: Sep 2008 From: Sometimes here, sometimes there.
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Guys, this is foobar2000 Q & A ...... that it easy.
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Oct 22 2008, 01:22 AM
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1,205 posts Joined: Aug 2007 From: In the heart of Kuala Lumpur
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QUOTE(BCurve @ Oct 22 2008, 12:54 AM) Guys, this is foobar2000 Q & A ...... that it easy. u r right.....foobar2k beta is out anyone try it?? cheers! p/s: anyone who is interested in bit & sampling issues please refer to the followings.... happy reading Sample rate and bit depth - an introduction to sampling Digital Audio/Sound - Professor, Department of Interdisciplinary Studies UMDNJ-School of Health Related Professions BIT DEPTH - Doug Eisengrein Bit Depth - help on choosing the appropriate bit depth to work with How can I get the best sound quality? This post has been edited by gac: Oct 22 2008, 01:42 AM |
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Oct 22 2008, 01:40 AM
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QUOTE(gac @ Oct 22 2008, 01:22 AM) u r right..... Current version is stable enough after all these years. But, thanks for testing and please report any abnormalities to the developer. foobar2k beta is out anyone try it?? |
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Oct 22 2008, 02:16 AM
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5,211 posts Joined: Feb 2005 From: Konohana
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The v9.5.6 working great for me, unless there is something major, I stick with the current version. The changelog sounds great though
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Oct 22 2008, 02:47 AM
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Change log:
* Media Library now automatically keeps track of any changes made to its folders; no more need to manually rescan them. * Improved compatibility of file type associations with Windows Vista. * No more delay when playing/enqueuing files from Windows Explorer. * The installer now includes “portable mode” that works in limited user contexts and doesn't make any changes to system configuration, registry, etc. * New Converter user interface. * Built-in Matroska support. i m eying on the new "converter" and the Matroska support.... it seems interesting. apparently, it might not work with some of the DSP & resampling plugins... finger cross it will. *** Since we always, benchmark 3d v card for comparison purposes. why not we start here the RightMark Audio Analyzer 6.2.0 thread. This is a new released on 1 oct 2008 RightMark Audio Analyzer is an independent audio measurements open-source project. The test suite performs various tests of electroacoustical performance of sound cards and other real-time audio devices. Testing is accomplished by playing the test signals and recording them after they pass through the testing chain. This post has been edited by gac: Oct 22 2008, 02:58 AM |
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Oct 24 2008, 02:47 AM
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1,354 posts Joined: Mar 2005 From: ¼ Kuala Lumpur; ¾ Tokyo 
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Just realised foobar got tabbed playlist, sweet! now this is something WMP & Winamp doesn't have!
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Oct 24 2008, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(CLF @ Oct 24 2008, 02:47 AM) Just realised foobar got tabbed playlist, sweet! now this is something WMP & Winamp doesn't have! some of my tabs on it include, handphone, burn in, what is this, ...... foobar is more of a management type, no frills kind of software, it speaks for itself. It is strictly business!  Oh, and one more thing, you cannot put back what isn't there in the very first place. Doing that would be lying to yourself. Denial is not healthy.   This post has been edited by BCurve: Oct 24 2008, 10:26 AM |
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Oct 24 2008, 09:53 AM
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Yes, oversampling != resampling.
I'm not pro or against resampling but when its needed, its needed. I had to resample to 48KHz as my USB Digital SX cant support 44.1KHz natively. Typical of Creative. |
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Oct 24 2008, 09:34 PM
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1,205 posts Joined: Aug 2007 From: In the heart of Kuala Lumpur
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SC which dont support 44.1KHz thats funny....
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Oct 24 2008, 09:45 PM
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1,242 posts Joined: Sep 2008 From: Cheras
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All the resample is fake..Totally FAKE!!! Just leave it as it should be...44.1 Khz CD quality is good enough!!!!!!!!!!!!
but if you hear downloaded songs such as MP3 from torrent or other website, then.... |
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Oct 24 2008, 10:13 PM
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5,211 posts Joined: Feb 2005 From: Konohana
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QUOTE(gac @ Oct 24 2008, 09:34 PM) SC which dont support 44.1KHz thats funny.... Since you new here, there are a lot of soundcard doesn't support native 44.1kHz. Almost all Creative previous cards, notably EMU10K1 (SB Live! series) and EMU10K2 and 2.5 (Audigy and Audigy 2) and AC97 based codec don't support 44.1kHz, it automatically resamples it to 48kHz. And the internal sample rate converter done it poorly resulting in distortion that you can hear, that is why people creates software resampler to cure it.Most modern cards don't need one, the X-Fi natively support 44.1kHz so there is no need for that |
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Oct 25 2008, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 24 2008, 09:45 PM) but if you hear downloaded songs such as MP3 from torrent or other website, then.... Got some FLACs and 320 bitrate mp3 with 48khz downloaded from the torr......  This post has been edited by Dry Pillow: Oct 25 2008, 01:05 AM |
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