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Najmods
post Oct 21 2008, 02:57 PM

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We using foobar more than audio quality alone, the unlimited customizability it offers that I crave on, plus it can use ASIO and Kernel Streaming and it low memory footprint is great, as I only need a fast player to play my music, simple interface that I can customize to my taste and organizing my music. Its a lot better than WMP offers

We are not stopping people from using fancy DSP or resampling software, the point is, if you can hear differences when using resampler (bar the DSP, as it DOES alters the music), like LittleGhost said, its either purely placebo or the software itself alters the data itself, hence differences. I'm not stopping them using them, just telling the fact what going on when they uses them

Talking about own preferences, some people do listen to others for advice, even when they talking about who are going to be their partner in life (husband/wives). Just look at 'Cupid Corner' subforum and see what I mean, people nowadays is funny, they don't know what they want

EDIT: Resampling does not ADD anything, the standard audio redbook CD is at 16-bit 44.1kHz. I taking a post by gregorio on Head-Fi regarding this:
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Let me make a few points clear:

1. Upsampling cannot improve the quality of the audio. A CD is sampled at 44.1kFs/s and by definition cannot contain any frequencies above 22,050Hz. Upsampling cannot magically find the audio frequencies which have been deliberately, totally and irrevokably removed from the original recording. If you do find frequencies beyond 22050Hz when you've upsampled I would return the DAC and ask for your money back because it's malfunctioning!

2. If you think your audio sounds better at a higher sample frequency than the original 44.1kFs/s, what you are really hearing is a smoother reconstruction filter in the DAC, not an improvement in the quality of the audio file itself. This is telling you that you have a cheap and nasty DAC whose implimentation of a reconstruction filter at 44.1k is so poor that anything else sounds better.

3. Higher sample frequencies make sense only for poor quality DACs (or ADCs for that matter). It is difficult to make an anti-alias filter or reconstruction filter work without artefacts over a small range of audio frequencies. Higher sample frequencies allow for smoother, more easily implemented filters. If you can hear a difference between 44.1kFs/s and say 96kFs/s, it's the implementation of these filters you can hear.

Last time, it is not humanly possible for you to hear a difference between a 44.1kFs/s audio file and an audio file with a sample rate of 88.2, 96, 176.4 or 192kFs/s. There are NO exceptions to this rule, providing of course that you are a homo-sapien!!

Gregorio


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post Oct 21 2008, 03:13 PM

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I just edit my previous post regarding resamplng, read that
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post Oct 21 2008, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(gac @ Oct 21 2008, 03:17 PM)
u still dont get my point....  nod.gif
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And your point is? You understand what resampling is in the first place? As I can see, you only wanted to argue pointlessly, read all about resampling, upsampling, then you know what is it

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post Oct 22 2008, 02:16 AM

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The v9.5.6 working great for me, unless there is something major, I stick with the current version. The changelog sounds great though
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post Oct 24 2008, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(gac @ Oct 24 2008, 09:34 PM)
SC which dont support 44.1KHz thats funny....
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Since you new here, there are a lot of soundcard doesn't support native 44.1kHz. Almost all Creative previous cards, notably EMU10K1 (SB Live! series) and EMU10K2 and 2.5 (Audigy and Audigy 2) and AC97 based codec don't support 44.1kHz, it automatically resamples it to 48kHz. And the internal sample rate converter done it poorly resulting in distortion that you can hear, that is why people creates software resampler to cure it.

Most modern cards don't need one, the X-Fi natively support 44.1kHz so there is no need for that
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post Oct 27 2008, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 27 2008, 01:44 AM)
Is that all? How bout resampler to 192kHz?
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Why you need to resample? You might not hear the difference, and it just a waste of CPU processing power. You can try to use them as you wish, but I prefer no DSP at all, just ASIO and thats all
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post Oct 27 2008, 09:56 AM

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There is also a DSP that emulate Tube sound

What I really like is a DSP to use Winamp only DSP (like AudioBurst or iZotope Ozone) on foobar2000, link is here

And the equalizer preset for foobar
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post Oct 27 2008, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 27 2008, 06:00 PM)
What the main purpose of ASIO? What i know is other windows sound is disabled and my ALC888 EQ in the system tray also disabled..My foobar2k sound is quite flat
without EQ..

So what are the benefit of ASIO?
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Benefits of ASIO is to bypass Windows Kmixer (it alters the sound), so the purpose of using ASIO (or Kernel Streaming, or WASAPI) is to get a bit perfect audio, nothing is altered, no equalizer and stuff. It is supposed to be flat, if you don't like that kind of sound then use normal Directsound and use as much equalizer or anything as you like. If you use any other DSP with ASIO, it defeats the first purpose to get the bit perfect out in the first place

QUOTE(gac @ Oct 27 2008, 05:04 PM)
but not all sc support ASIO  smile.gif
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I already told what to use when your card don't natively support ASIO

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post Nov 7 2008, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Dybre @ Nov 7 2008, 02:39 PM)
guys, totallu newbie with this.. would this work with external DAC such as Ibasso BoA?
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Why not? It will work with anything that produces sound. Just select the correct Output Device on preferences and you good to go
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post Nov 7 2008, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Dybre @ Nov 7 2008, 03:01 PM)
i have installed foobar2000 with my laptop. and i have installed the asio pluggin. how do i install the plugin to foobar?
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Extract the .dll into the components folder in foobar. Then open foobar, on the Output there is a subfolder called ASIO Virtual Device, press 'add new' and add your corresponding soundcard ASIO, if you have any soundcard that support ASIO, if not, either use ASIO4ALL (Google for it) or use Kernel Straeaming
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post Nov 7 2008, 04:26 PM

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In case of Vista, use Wasapi. If you asked me, Kernel Streaming and ASIO sound the same
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post Nov 7 2008, 11:56 PM

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Extract the dll to components folder in foobar directory. Then configure it on foobar preferences
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post Nov 8 2008, 12:08 AM

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'Best sound quality' is subjective. For me, just use ASIO/Kernel Streaming or WASAPI is good enough, I don't want anything else to alter the signal. I listen to pure music without any alteration. You can try that first
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post Nov 8 2008, 12:25 AM

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Why don't you Google, I don't use Vista, as Wasapi is Vista exclusive

EDIT: If you lazy, look here and more better explanation here

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As for configuring foobar for WASAPI, now that you have the plugin in the right directory, just to to: Preferences (Ctrl+P) > Playback (Expand) > Output > Select WASAPI device under the “Output Device” dropdown list.


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post Nov 13 2008, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Nov 13 2008, 02:15 PM)
Does Realtek 100% support ASIO? Why i can hear 'click' sound during playback when using ASIO?
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Nope, I assume you use ASIO4ALL, increase the ASIO buffer size until it no longer click. Use this guide to set it up properly
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post Nov 13 2008, 04:20 PM

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I don't know, I don't use Vista or ASIO4ALL, you can play around with it. Or you can use WASAPI because you use Vista

About dither, I don't know much about it. Read here and here
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post Nov 13 2008, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Nov 13 2008, 04:28 PM)
You said you dont use ASIO4ALL, so can you give me your configuration? I really need the best sound...i mean near 100% quality of the playback.
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My card natively support ASIO so I can use that, while you need to use ASIO4ALL. May I know what model of your Realtek is? Like ALC888, ALC882 etc.
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post Nov 13 2008, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Nov 13 2008, 04:45 PM)
ALC888
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Alright yours is capable of bitperfect out. All you got to do is use WASAPI/ASIO/Kernel Streaming and don't use any sort of feature or DSP from both foobar or your soundcard control panel.

Have you tried WASAPI? Also I forgot how to configure sound in Vista, but set it to 16-bit 44.1kHz on sound properties in Windows Control Panel IIRC
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Nov 13 2008, 04:58 PM)
Yes i have try WASAPI, still i dont know which one is better. I guess ASIO because its more popular here. I set my sound properties to 24-bit 192kHz..is it wrong
configuration?
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You don't need more than 16-bit 44.1kHz for music, if you want to achieve bitperfect output use that setting. ASIO/KS/WASAPI sounds the same (I tried ASIO and KS, sound the same to me), just use WASAPI since you use Vista
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post Nov 15 2008, 01:59 AM

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You can try using this. Alternatively if you do group your favorite artists and all its album on their own separate folder, just put their album art picture in that folder, and rename it to 'folder.jpg'

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