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mervinho
post Oct 13 2008, 02:49 PM

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Any teams out there looking for a friendly futsal game in KL? Preferably aged below 19. PM me if interested.

There are some useful good tips in here. Good job.

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post Oct 13 2008, 02:49 PM

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diamond 1-2-1 is the best for me... 1 fix, 2 flankers , 1 pivot
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post Oct 13 2008, 03:43 PM

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*continue form my previous post regarding formation

3. ATT Y-Shape (1-1-2) Formation

Below is a picture on how this formation looks like
user posted image

1 fix player playing the holding down position with 2 flankers and 1 holding player in the middle.

Pros:
1. Fully utilize the triangle to keep the option open.
user posted image
2. Last man can play the ball to their flankers.
user posted image
3. Flankers have option to either:-
a) go with an attack for a shot on goal
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b) play back the ball to the middle for the middle to take a shot or for a 1-2 run
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c) play the ball to switch side to the other flanker
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3. Middle holding player have option of:-
a) take the shot if there's space
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b) play it back to flankers *left or right
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c) set the ball for your last man to either for him to take a shot or pass back to last man whenever you think you are pressured and your flankers are marked.
user posted image

*more to be added* Flu gettin bad to worst


Added on October 13, 2008, 4:00 pm
QUOTE(ponomariov @ Oct 13 2008, 02:32 PM)
Well.. I dun think the box formation is good..

It won't work for amatuer futsal players...or even semi-pro...

The problem is .. ppl who use this formation don't know how to utilise this formation.

1. 100% of lower than amatuer futsal player don't pass back.
2. 80% of amatuer futsal player dun know how to square the ball.. worst for class below it
3. 70 % of semi pro player do not pass to the middle fearing the ball of being intercept.
4. 60 % of semi pro player unable to cross wing naturally.
5. 50 % of all players playing on top don't tackle from the top.
6. 40 % only able cross a hard drill across the D
7. 30 % of players are capable of shooting with their left foot.
8. 10 % of player are willing to wait and lure players.
9. And nobody cares about covering each other.

Instead trying flat four or ... 3-1 formations which provides better results....
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the box formation is a good formation to start your run. BUT once manage to break into the middle area, formation must always change to adapt and to counter the opponent's formation. That is why i showed in the diagram on how a box shape formation (2-2) can easily be modified to a diamond shape or a Y-shape formation easily.

This post has been edited by ken0777: Oct 13 2008, 04:00 PM
samsunix
post Oct 13 2008, 08:56 PM

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Great tips from you experience futsal players. I notice that most of the tips given are fundamentals in a futsal game. However, I did not practice some of it, bad habit i guess =P

I used to play offensive but now degrade to a defensive role (old already no stamina). I believe the communication and understanding between goalie and defenders is also crucial. That's why my goalie (Howard) always 'fark' me when i didn listened to him lolz.
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post Oct 14 2008, 01:20 AM

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Great tips from you experience futsal players. I notice that most of the tips given are fundamentals in a futsal game. However, I did not practice some of it, bad habit i guess =P
I used to play offensive but now degrade to a defensive role (old already no stamina). I believe the communication and understanding between goalie and defenders is also crucial. That's why my goalie (Howard) always 'fark' me when i didn listened to him lolz.


Your goalkeeper is a over demanding goalie nevertheless a good one. rolleyes.gif You should also try to apply the formations when playing in a game as guidelines to positioning yourselves. This should drastically improve game play. wink.gif

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post Oct 14 2008, 02:08 AM

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*continue form my previous post regarding formation

4. DEF Y-Shape (2-1-1) Formation

Below is a picture on how this formation looks like
user posted image

3 players covering the mid, left and right side while 1 player on top serves as a pressure

Pros:
1. Most simple defensive formation, it's save and it covers the left, right side, middle and top middle.
2. Good formation for you to counter attack since you have 1 man on top in the mid line.

Cons:
1. At times the top man is beaten and the 3 remaining players need to be defending against 4 incoming players.
2. If the top man is not pressuring and forcing the opponent to release the ball, then it's no use.
3. If the remaining bottom 3 players do not effectively mark their players, then it's no use.

*More to come*

Added on October 14, 2008, 2:13 amJust 3 days since i started this thread and it has almost 1100+ views and 65 posts? Not bad... Thanks for the much support...

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post Oct 14 2008, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(cyfc29 @ Oct 14 2008, 01:20 AM)
Your goalkeeper is a over demanding goalie nevertheless a good one.  rolleyes.gif You should also try to apply the formations when playing in a game as guidelines to positioning yourselves. This should drastically improve game play. wink.gif
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way to go clement! mad.gif pijak already then trying to cover back ahhhh doh.gif

anyway samsunix is a "plane" shooter nevertheless a good own-goal scorer... brows.gif
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post Oct 14 2008, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Howard @ Oct 14 2008, 08:00 AM)
anyway samsunix is a "plane" shooter nevertheless a good own-goal scorer...  brows.gif
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Really?

Ask him to join LYN then. Join the host of guys who has scored own goal like there's no tomorrow.
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post Oct 14 2008, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(giotto @ Oct 14 2008, 09:36 AM)
Really?

Ask him to join LYN then. Join the host of guys who has scored own goal like there's no tomorrow.
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Correction, there's only one guy in LYN futsal who scores own goals.........
glozz
post Oct 14 2008, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(cyfc29 @ Oct 14 2008, 01:20 AM)
Your goalkeeper is a over demanding goalie nevertheless a good one.  rolleyes.gif You should also try to apply the formations when playing in a game as guidelines to positioning yourselves. This should drastically improve game play. wink.gif
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Wahliu Howard; you've got enough fans here to start your own thread! tongue.gif


Added on October 14, 2008, 10:26 am
QUOTE(Howard @ Oct 14 2008, 08:00 AM)
way to go clement!  mad.gif pijak already then trying to cover back ahhhh  doh.gif

anyway samsunix is a "plane" shooter nevertheless a good own-goal scorer...  brows.gif
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Now now; janganlah marah. It's not nice; calling ppl names and all...

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post Oct 14 2008, 12:59 PM

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It is a great effort by ken0777 to try to explain what is formation.
But I want to take away no credit from him I believe i need to explain some basics.

2-2 is know as a box formation...because if you join the dots it is gonna form a square otherwise know as a box formation. Diamond shape is part of 2-2 formation. which look like a rombus.

So Y shape attack and defence is not exactly part of 2-2... it is 3-1.

4-0 formation is not exactly flat four... but a just shows that offense spread across the D with no sweeper. Spain are practice this.

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*continue form my previous post regarding formation

Other variation of formations:-

5. ATT T-Shape (1-3) Formation
6. DEF T-Shape (3-1) Formation
7. DEF Flat-Shape (4) Formation
8. DEF Box-Shape (2-2) Formation

Below are some of the variation of formation that can easily be modified into whenever the need rises to change. Changing formation fast and choosing the right formation when dealing with various situation are very essential in the total gameplay of a futsal team.

5. ATT T-Shape (1-3) Formation
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6. DEF T-Shape (3-1) Formation
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7. DEF Flat-Shape (4) Formation
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8. DEF Box-Shape (2-2) Formation
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There are many pros and cons for each different formation mentioned above but different formation are useful in tackling against other formations. So a team with the ability to notice loopholes and weaknesses in a team's formation will choose to exploit it.

Alot of good futsal teams have a very efficient system of formation and various 'plays' which they have practice and drilled themselves. Plays are a different subject all together. Imagine players are notes of a key, formations are like musical chords and plays are actually a piece of music or a symphony.

Hopefully some of my words here can strike a chord within you all so that you all can get a clear big picture. There's alot of factors involve this game and knowing that makes me loving this game more and more... Hope it the same goes with you all...


Added on October 15, 2008, 3:42 amHi. Since i can't sleep so i decided to add another topic which covers the issue on defending. Was just after a mamak conversation between my 2 friends after futsal session in pan global. We were talking about how top college futsal teams like HELP, whereby the runs they play are mean to confuse the other team's man-marking system. So here's my intake on defending methods.

1. Man-to-man Marking
2. Zone Defense:-
a) Box-Shape (2-2) Zone Defense
b) Y-Shape (2-1-1) Zone Defense
c) T-Shape (3-1) Zone Defense
d) Flat-Shape (4) Zone Defense

1. Man-to-man Marking

user posted image

Basically the whole idea is everyone in the team except the keeper takes 1 person to mark. Player have to follow and cover the angle and to tackle whenever has the chance and to prevent the person being marked to passed by. Marking and off-ball player will prevent the person from getting a pass from his teammate.

2. Zone Defense

This method of defense is delegating players to assign them to guard a particular zone. Whoever enter the player's zone, it is the player's responsibility to mark and follow or pressure him. There are various zone defense which uses the various formation as i mentioned in my previous post. Below are some of the various Zone Defense.

a) Box-Shape (2-2) Zone Defense

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b) Y-Shape (2-1-1) Zone Defense

user posted image

c) T-Shape (3-1) Zone Defense

user posted image

d) Flat-Shape (4) Zone Defense

user posted image

From the diagram above, we can try to ponder and make known on each zone defense system of it's forte and also it's weakness. None the less, knowing too much but don't implement the knowledge it's pretty useless too. As my friend quoted "The best tactic is defend, pass the ball and score"

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post Oct 15 2008, 11:07 AM

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nice job ken0777 for explaining the various futsal formations. great thread for futsalers. lots of info
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post Oct 15 2008, 03:03 PM

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Don't miss the FIFA Futsal World Cup 2008 on ASTRO ch 811 tomorrow night.

Semifinals:-

Semi-final 1: Brazil vs. Russia

Semi-final 2: Spain vs. Italy

Current Top Scorer:-
1. Pula (Russia) 15 goals
2. Falcao (Brazil) 14 goals
3. Lenisio (Brazil) 11 goals

Russia has a superb record this tournament as they have scored the highest goal margin where by Russia beaten Solomon Island with a score of 31-2. But then Italy did a superb win over the US with Italy thrashing US
37-1. The 2 power house, Brazil and Spain has yet to have win against any teams with huge goal margins, so we are all curious to see how the semifinals will go down in Rio de Janeiro.
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post Oct 15 2008, 06:59 PM

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wow,what a good tips provided here..now we can all improve ourselves on futsal..well,i guess,if the strategies implemented
TSken0777
post Oct 15 2008, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(blackcode @ Oct 15 2008, 06:59 PM)
wow,what a good tips provided here..now we can all improve ourselves on futsal..well,i guess,if the strategies implemented
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LOL! True that...
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post Oct 15 2008, 10:22 PM

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haha, have been away for 3days since my last post here...
now, so many things to read...
its looking interesting for every visit to here... smile.gif

anyway, just want to find out, where can see futsal live ?
astro tarak punya sad.gif
mayb got, i didnt saw it...
anyone clarify it ? thanks !!
TSken0777
post Oct 16 2008, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(jason18689 @ Oct 15 2008, 10:22 PM)
haha, have been away for 3days since my last post here...
now, so many things to read...
its looking interesting for every visit to here... smile.gif

anyway, just want to find out, where can see futsal live ?
astro tarak punya sad.gif
mayb got, i didnt saw it...
anyone clarify it ? thanks !!
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Don't miss the FIFA Futsal World Cup 2008 on ASTRO ch 811 Thursday night at 9.30pm

Semifinals:-

Semi-final 1: Brazil vs. Russia

Semi-final 2: Spain vs. Italy


Added on October 17, 2008, 2:17 amJust a small update on what's going on with the 2008 FIFA Futsal World Cup.

SemiFinals 1: Russia 2-4 Brazil

SemiFinals 2: Spain 3-2 Italy

3rd Placing Playoffs: 18th Oct 2008

Final: 19th Oct 2008


Added on October 17, 2008, 3:04 amHere's the PUMA website for GOALKEEPERS. They have training tips and techniques shared by world class goalkeepers such as buffon, given, hildebrand and matt reis.

http://www.pumafootball.com/goalkeeper/

This post has been edited by ken0777: Oct 17 2008, 03:04 AM
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Great thread.

I play the pivot position in my team in the diamond position. 1 thing i demand from my teammates is movement. Always get into a good position to receive the ball. Help me out. Don't stand behind an opponent as i cant pass the ball through him. Get into space and i WILL find you.

Random tips:
Make diagonal runs. Look up. When in doubt, stop and pass it back. Run for your team. As have already been said, sometimes if you are inferior to other teams in terms of technical abilities and skills, beat them using your athleticism.

I don't recall seeing anyone posting about the use of your body for a defender when defending. Well this comes from my background of being an outfield player first but your body is very important even in futsal. Leaning into another player almost always makes him lose his balance and thus miskicks or mis-control. Im not saying bodychecking but applying very minimal pressure on someone's side is very effective. Also important when shielding a ball when letting it roll out of play and also when holding the ball up front when waiting for support.
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QUOTE(closer @ Oct 20 2008, 12:49 PM)
Great thread.

I play the pivot position in my team in the diamond position. 1 thing i demand from my teammates is movement. Always get into a good position to receive the ball. Help me out. Don't stand behind an opponent as i cant pass the ball through him. Get into space and i WILL find you.

Random tips:
Make diagonal runs. Look up. When in doubt, stop and pass it back. Run for your team. As have already been said, sometimes if you are inferior to other teams in terms of technical abilities and skills, beat them using your athleticism.

I don't recall seeing anyone posting about the use of your body for a defender when defending. Well this comes from my background of being an outfield player first but your body is very important even in futsal. Leaning into another player almost always makes him lose his balance and thus miskicks or mis-control. Im not saying bodychecking but applying very minimal pressure on someone's side is very effective. Also important when shielding a ball when letting it roll out of play and also when holding the ball up front when waiting for support.
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Greats tips on the shielding and leaning... Personally, i get pretty annoyed when players exploit it very well. ^^

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