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muimui93
post Sep 26 2009, 02:38 AM

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errm guys,i wan to buy 1tb hdd for storange keep file only
i should choose western.d greenpower ,samsung ecogreen f2 ,hitachi deskstar,hitachi ultrastar or seagate?
give me some opinion and thx smile.gif
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post Sep 26 2009, 04:42 AM

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I would suggest Seagate, work fine fo me and quite too
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post Sep 26 2009, 09:23 AM

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i just bought my seagate 1.5 TB external hard disk yesterday
but i keep hearing ticking sound from the hard disk

is it normal?
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post Sep 26 2009, 10:34 AM

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no worries i think...mine oso got a bit ticking sound like the hdsk rotate when access it. but it's only noticed few days. after dat ok.no more sound anymore.
well, if the sound comes out and then u got problem to open the hdsk or folder, like long delays...and quite a lot delays. then d hdsk might wanna spoil..

if you still doubt, can 1 to 1 exchange rite.just go get new one from shop..
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QUOTE(akkihiko @ Sep 26 2009, 09:23 AM)
i just bought my seagate 1.5 TB external hard disk yesterday
but i keep hearing ticking sound from the hard disk

is it normal?
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I have the ticking sound with my seagate hd too.But so far no read/write problem.
But since your HD is new better ask for replacement since you won't know when it will have problem.
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post Sep 26 2009, 06:39 PM

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hmm....i'm a noobie in external hard disk.....so can i know what should i take note when i'm buying an external hard disk besides the transfer speed,capacity,cache??? The bigger the cache the faster the transfer speed right?? Then is Seagate the best brand for external hard disk?? Then do external hard disk have that SATA 1 or Raid0 thingy???


Added on September 26, 2009, 6:41 pmoh...can anyone make a brief explanation on SATA or Raid thingy??? it's very confuse when reading the wikipedia explanation....do i need to take note about the SATA/Raid thingy when buying external hard disk?? If yes, how? Thanks a lot for enlighten me.

This post has been edited by Angelpoli: Sep 26 2009, 06:41 PM
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post Sep 26 2009, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(muimui93 @ Sep 26 2009, 02:38 AM)
errm guys,i wan to buy 1tb hdd for storange keep file only
i should choose western.d greenpower ,samsung ecogreen f2 ,hitachi deskstar,hitachi ultrastar or seagate?
give me some opinion and thx smile.gif
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if just want to use as storage only....consider WD Green or Samsung Ecogreen F2...
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post Sep 28 2009, 08:46 AM

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i bought a segate maxtor 1tb...after 1 month the 3rd or 4th time i used it.. i dont know why but when i was using it at my home... during data transfer it just switched off and then it wouldnt power up.... then i sent it back for warranty and they said 4 weeks... ok so first it never comes back for almost 2 months... when it comes the shopkeeper sends it back again.. because seagate said the harddisk is fine and they repaired it also(lost all data n porn)... but the shop keeper said it still wasnt powering up so he figured it was the adapter problem. it take a week or 2 and it comes back with a new adaptor. I check it at the store..and its working file... I bring it back and start putting data again... 300mb done and it switches off again..... this time also it doesnt power up again... though there is some noise coming from the inside.
funny part is when I go back to the store... and the store guy checks it... Its working... so im scared maybe its a power problem at my house... but then none of the other electrical appliances in my house have had that problem.... I make a deal with the guy and he agrees to exchange it with another hard disk for a price since mine is 4 months old and already been to warranty... he only has buffalo and he gives me a 1tb external with external power. but since I have had trouble with externally powered harddisks... I chose the 500gb non external portable buffalo usbturbo

phew! its very light and pretty fast. even though I lose my previous data and 500gb of space with this. atleast now its portable and I can can carry my data when i go back to my country every year and it reduses the risk of going through all that inconvenience again. since im buying a pc... i can always get more hard disk in there ...and store my data

imo, if you have a pc... and need more space then go for an internal hard disk but of you want an external try n go for the portable 500gbs... I dont see the point of external hard disk that is heavy and not portable...
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Lol, some people go for 3.5'' external for the extra storage space which accomodates up to 1.5tb. No doubt it depicts the purpose of the name portability, it is still a personal preference.
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post Sep 28 2009, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Angelpoli @ Sep 26 2009, 06:39 PM)
hmm....i'm a noobie in external hard disk.....so can i know what should i take note when i'm buying an external hard disk besides the transfer speed,capacity,cache??? The bigger the cache the faster the transfer speed right?? Then is Seagate the best brand for external hard disk?? Then do external hard disk have that SATA 1 or Raid0 thingy???


Added on September 26, 2009, 6:41 pmoh...can anyone make a brief explanation on SATA or Raid thingy??? it's very confuse when reading the wikipedia explanation....do i need to take note about the SATA/Raid thingy when buying external hard disk?? If yes, how? Thanks a lot for enlighten me.
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can anyone pls enlighten me???thanks.
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post Sep 28 2009, 05:10 PM

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When it comes to external hard disks, there's only three main connectors: USB 2.0, e-SATA and FireWire (a bit rare).

USB 2.0 has a data transfer bottleneck of about 30 MB/s - performance will be poor no matter how much money you throw at it. e-SATA has a bottleneck of about 150 MB/s. I forgot FireWire's bandwidth, but it is higher than USB 2.0. FireWire and e-SATA externals are superior here.

Edit: You'll need to have either a FireWire port or an e-SATA port to support either FireWire or e-SATA devices. Most current motherboards or laptops support these, but not older ones. It is possible to buy expansion cards to add support for older desktop motherboards, but they'll cost you extra.

Other considerations are power supply. 2.5" USB external hard disks can run entirely off that USB cable, any FireWire device could potentially run off that FireWire cable, but anything else requires a separate power cable.

RAID is not related to SATA. SATA is a connector and RAID is treating multiple hard disks as one.

RAID doesn't really apply to simple externals. The best place to get them is with a NAS or a SAN (they're actually the same thing - some network attached storage). As RAID requires more than one hard disk, they're not cheap.



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post Sep 28 2009, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 28 2009, 05:10 PM)
When it comes to external hard disks, there's only three main connectors: USB 2.0, e-SATA and FireWire (a bit rare).

USB 2.0 has a data transfer bottleneck of about 30 MB/s - performance will be poor no matter how much money you throw at it. e-SATA has a bottleneck of about 150 MB/s. I forgot FireWire's bandwidth, but it is higher than USB 2.0. FireWire and e-SATA externals are superior here.

Edit: You'll need to have either a FireWire port or an e-SATA port to support either FireWire or e-SATA devices. Most current motherboards or laptops support these, but not older ones. It is possible to buy expansion cards to add support for older desktop motherboards, but they'll cost you extra.

Other considerations are power supply. 2.5" USB external hard disks can run entirely off that USB cable, any FireWire device could potentially run off that FireWire cable, but anything else requires a separate power cable.

RAID is not related to SATA. SATA is a connector and RAID is treating multiple hard disks as one.

RAID doesn't really apply to simple externals. The best place to get them is with a NAS or a SAN (they're actually the same thing - some network attached storage). As RAID requires more than one hard disk, they're not cheap.
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u have enlighten me!!!! i got great infos from this post.... thanks a lot!!!!hmm...one last question.....so since SATA is a connector...so there is no big difference between SATA1 and SATA2???or there is a speed difference?? and also does SATA apply to external hard disk???or SATA only apply to internal hard disk??thanks once again!!!
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post Sep 28 2009, 08:58 PM

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There are:
  • SATA 1.5 Gbit/s aka SATA1 (max 150 MB/s)
  • SATA 3 Gbit/s aka SATA2 (max 300 MB/s)
  • SATA 6 Gbit/s (max 600 MB/s)
  • e-SATA (same as SATA 1.5 Gbit/s or max 150 MB/s)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA

Only e-SATA is usable with external hard disks.

However, it may be possible to remove the hard disk from the external casing and put it in your desktop or laptop (depending on size).

On another note, most hard disks have a sustained read/write that is much slower than 150 MB/s. The 7200 RPM WD 1 TB Caviar Black for instance maxes out at ~110 MB/s, quite a distance from the 150 MB/s theoretical limit of e-SATA.

Only the SSDs need SATA 3 Gbit/s to perform well and they're best used as internal drives because they're wasted as externals.
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post Sep 30 2009, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 28 2009, 08:58 PM)
There are:

  • SATA 1.5 Gbit/s aka SATA1 (max 150 MB/s)
  • SATA 3 Gbit/s aka SATA2 (max 300 MB/s)
  • SATA 6 Gbit/s (max 600 MB/s)
  • e-SATA (same as SATA 1.5 Gbit/s or max 150 MB/s)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA

Only e-SATA is usable with external hard disks.

However, it may be possible to remove the hard disk from the external casing and put it in your desktop or laptop (depending on size).

On another note, most hard disks have a sustained read/write that is much slower than 150 MB/s. The 7200 RPM WD 1 TB Caviar Black for instance maxes out at ~110 MB/s, quite a distance from the 150 MB/s theoretical limit of e-SATA.

Only the SSDs need SATA 3 Gbit/s to perform well and they're best used as internal drives because they're wasted as externals.
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wow..k...i understand already. thanks for ur great infos. it really helps. Thanks.
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post Oct 2 2009, 04:18 PM

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hey guys

my seagate 500gb 7200.11 is going to be dead soon,gonna head to lyp 2mr to grab a WD Caviar Black.

but running OS + storage all 2gether on a 1tb drive is it ok?or is it better to seperate?

i got a extra hdd which is maxtor diamondmax plus 80gb but its running on SATA1 and its 4 yrs old +,yep 4 yrs old and kicking,shows how reliable hdd those days.plan to use it as OS drive but scare it will suddenly kong sweat.gif sweat.gif ,more jia lat.and the speed of SATA1....
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for me, i think better separate it. windows 1 hdsk, then another one hdsk entirely for doc, data, etc..

i still using my seagate 320gb which now 3yrs old as my primary one,where i put os there.my data i put in another hdsk. so far works great





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does ur drivers for gc,sc etc all goes into tht system drive as well?
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u means installer driver or wat? if basic installer driver, i put in my other hardisk, so if i want to format, no need to get cd, put into rom to install..when format primary, i can locate the driver in secondary hdsk straight away, then install it. all movies,series,music,software...etc i put in other hardisks..

i think it's much safe right. like windows, u always access it, run software and os while ur data in other hdsk might not frequent as the primary one..chance of primary hdsk kaput first should be high.
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er i mean where u install the drivers?those essential 1s for gc,monitor,sound card etc

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in primary one ler...haha..
i install games, drivers n software there...


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