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 AMD/ATi HD 4000 Series Discussion V4, Just added: HD4830 benches!

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post Oct 26 2008, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(168257061 @ Oct 26 2008, 11:38 AM)
can't expect much.
see the price and you know how it perform smile.gif
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yeah.....................i expect 4830 price 2 be much lower.................
but in reality, not much lower den 4850 actually.

i still recommend 9800gt OC over 4830.
QUOTE(S4PH @ Oct 26 2008, 10:05 AM)
just 1 more question if i use Asus 4870 top edition bios for my sapphire 4870 can i OC higher than 825mhz,can i c improvements in Crysis warhead i usually run the game at enthusiast settings @1400x900 without AA.Does oc the CPU will give good results 2 as im using a slow mo AMD X2 5000+ black edition i can max out my CPU at 3.2ghz higher than that system unstable cant even complete super p.i at 32m
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of coz u can OC higher.
mine run @ 865 core speed........... brows.gif
gonna try other bios later, c if can get better OC result..................... biggrin.gif
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post Oct 26 2008, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(blindbox @ Oct 26 2008, 12:45 PM)
That's from nvidia. I read on other websites, their performance are relatively the same. Plus, can 9800gt overclock to 9800gtx? 4830 can do that.
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yup..........the article doesn't tell the whole story.
those "chosen" example on the article r all nvidia optimized games, except for call of juarez.
all the result r taken from techpowerup review of 4830.
go techpowerup & check out the original review.
4830 is better den 88/9800gt..................not by much. just a hair ahead dat u'll barely notice.
the problem is not 4830 under performing, is the price.

as for overclocking, 4830 does inherit the heast issues from its older brother so overclocking dis card wit reference cooler wont do u much good.
QUOTE(lotiman2003 @ Oct 26 2008, 02:10 PM)
Buy 2 4830 and CF it will be a blast!!!
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same goes to 88/9800gt. if u hav SLI board u can slap 2 of those in ur system.
if wanna compare, crossfire scale worst den SLI coz crossfire has poor support.

btw, good new for ATI is, dey already hav blizzard on their side, & now dey r talking to Valve who is really interested wit crossfire multi GPU support.
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post Oct 26 2008, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE([fr33dom�)
,Oct 26 2008, 07:08 PM]
i wan ask something like out of topic thing... cry.gif

i using 4870 Palit Sonic, then i wanna try how its good in 3DMark06....but i fail to run 3DMark06, bcos of DirectX 9... doh.gif

during installation got pop up ask me install DirectX9, but i cancel it since i using Vista (DirectX10) ....so how?? Help me PLs... rclxub.gif
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y dun u run vantage.
ur 4870 shud b able to reach ~10k
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post Oct 26 2008, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 26 2008, 07:57 PM)
Keke, crazy TechPowerUp ppl. If they were using the missing 80 shaders for 4830, then the result was not valid anymore cos ATI has promised that all the 4830 will be flashed with fixed BIOS before shipping to distro.
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so i guess the "real" 4830 will b a bit more powerful.
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,Oct 26 2008, 07:51 PM]
i scare later will crash...zZzz...

10s ....this is answer i hope to see..... thumbup.gif

try install again now!!
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y wanna use 06 wen got vantage?
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post Oct 26 2008, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 26 2008, 08:12 PM)
Vantage is damn time consuming.  sweat.gif
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only load slower...................
but honestly speaking, 3dmark06 is more interesting 2watch wen its running.
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post Oct 26 2008, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE([fr33dom�)
,Oct 26 2008, 10:39 PM]
juz now run my 4870 Palit Sonic on 3DMark Vantage...GPU only 7939, izzit too low the points??

izzit the Processor will effect the points ?? bcos mine one is E7200 .... not yet OC...
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QUOTE(commandboy @ Oct 26 2008, 10:44 PM)
7939consider low ?  hmm.gif
mine only 6.7k nia~ doh.gif
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 26 2008, 10:47 PM)
Normal clock @750Mhz? If yes, then it should be fine.
My Gainward 4870GS GPU score is 8000+ for 750Mhz, 9000+ for 775Mhz.
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depends on wat setting & resolution u run.

mine score 10k+ on performance setting............. whistling.gif

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post Oct 26 2008, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(commandboy @ Oct 26 2008, 10:48 PM)
guys, if u gonna grab 4870, what's in ur mind except gainward 4870gs(coz i know this good already brows.gif )? ref board or non ref board n brand?


Added on October 26, 2008, 10:51 pm

god drool.gif ... 4870 really that good? mine also performance mode n scored +-6.7k nia~
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i'll get gigabyte or ASUS b coz of the 3 years warranty.
den get aftermarket cooler for it.
dis is wat i did wit my 4870.................... thumbup.gif

ha ha.........
my 4870 OC to 865/1000 wen doing vantage benchmark.
even 4870x2(stock) @ same vantage setting scores 9k+.......... rclxms.gif

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post Oct 26 2008, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 26 2008, 11:02 PM)
GPU score or Vantage 3DMark score?
That 4870x2 score that low? Last time I CFed 4870+4850 also 11k GPU & 3DMark scores.
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try OC ur GPU clock to 865 & c............ laugh.gif
QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 26 2008, 11:02 PM)
GPU score or Vantage 3DMark score?
That 4870x2 score that low? Last time I CFed 4870+4850 also 11k GPU & 3DMark scores.
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i refer to GPU score, although my overall score also 10k+..........................
i dun own a 4870x2.
my fren from dis forum told me his 4870x2 score last time. it was 9k+ almost hit 10k @ performance setting.
QUOTE(commandboy @ Oct 26 2008, 11:06 PM)
for non ref 4870 ,gainward is the most powerful at the moment ma?
@tech3910, ur mean asus/gigabyte is ref 4870 right?stock cooler not good cooldown like 4850 ref ma?

thankx for answer btw... thumbup.gif
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u dyn wanna burn my hand wen i touch my GC.......
do u b lief dat i nvr actually test my 4870 wit the reference cooler b4?
straight away strap on the twin turbo.

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post Oct 26 2008, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 26 2008, 11:09 PM)
Get Gainward 4870GS lar. Join Gainward clubz & won prizes, girls, get discount when buying games.
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so u get the girl in the package as well?...................... brows.gif
QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 26 2008, 11:28 PM)
Last time my 5000+BE scored pretty low in Vantage. Quadie sure score higher than 10k CPU score.
Now my proc is 12k pts @ 3.3Ghz. The score is really depending on the CPU frequency.
Mine is 800/2100 after installing CCC 8.10. I can OC higher with 8.7.
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seriously?
looks like reference 4870 oc better den GS.....................
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post Oct 27 2008, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 26 2008, 11:53 PM)
Yeah, I got the "feel" of the galz inside the package.
Most prolly it's bcos I'm a noob in OC thingy gua  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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i OC using the CCC only.
although my bios is modified, i modify the fan speed only, no vmod.

may b u shud try different bios.
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post Oct 27 2008, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(cyew86 @ Oct 27 2008, 04:04 PM)
have to consider the cost of importing as well, with the USD appreciating, the cost of IT equipments are rising
can already see some items increasing in price
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i'll say it is bcoz RM is falling fast.......... cry.gif
QUOTE(pikacu @ Oct 27 2008, 06:57 PM)
palit 4870 sonic and gainward 4870 golden sample have turbo switch feature laugh.gif
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i dun really get dey mek dis for wat?
probably for noob overclocker...............no offense, wat i mean is people who dun do OC.

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post Oct 27 2008, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Oct 27 2008, 09:43 PM)
off track a bit, but just thought u guys might wanna see the pcb length comparison of 4850 and 4870 smile.gif
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sapphire 4850 uses their own blue pbs which is a bit shorter den normal 4850.
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post Oct 27 2008, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Oct 27 2008, 10:27 PM)
Nickel plated lo. That's why the color different.
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nikel plated is just pure cosmetic.....................
QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 27 2008, 10:51 PM)
Toxic cooler is not that good.
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nah.....
benches says otherwise.
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post Oct 28 2008, 02:41 AM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Oct 28 2008, 02:00 AM)
humm...i know that 4850 toxic not that good, but 4870 toxic (vapor chamber) ?

correct me if im wrong  notworthy.gif
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yup, but only 1 fan.
any1 own sapphire toxic 4870 here?

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post Oct 28 2008, 04:57 AM

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overclocking my humble 4870 core clock..................... tongue.gif
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post Oct 28 2008, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 28 2008, 06:54 AM)
Damn it. That's horror clock! What a low mem clock. Benchies how? Artifacts?
May be u should open a 4870 OC thread? How's it?
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just wanna OC clock, memory test next time............

i got ntgh 2 test...............
all my games & also vantage is in vista..........
OC done in xp coz there is problem installing ati tray tools in 64 bit vista....... sad.gif
currently switching bck 2 8400gs (till next week) coz not playing game.

i was thinking bout 480 OC thread also, but i dun like 2 open thread coz i lazy 2 maintain................... tongue.gif
QUOTE(tellmewhy @ Oct 28 2008, 08:44 AM)
tech3910...  shocking.gif ... you fusion your body with the grafic card izit  doh.gif

any people can tell me... if i upgrade 7300Le to 4870.... electric bill increase rm 100??? shakehead.gif
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y say dat?.................. tongue.gif

c'mon, even if u buy another pc wit 4870x2 OC & qx9650 OC, it won't increase as much as 100 bucks.
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post Oct 29 2008, 12:01 AM

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think again b4 installing the far cry 2 hotfix.
there is some report on the hotfix being buggy result in missing texture & transparent rock.
in short, it sacrifice IQ for FPS.
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post Oct 29 2008, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 29 2008, 12:59 AM)
Damn, no luck running crysis warhead. Choking like no hell at gamer setting. I guess its either my hdd or not enuf ram. Wat i saw is HDD keep on loading, and i think my hdd near spoilt, the loading sound is quite loud. Dunno wan get 4gb ram or 1 new hdd... arrgh..


Added on October 29, 2008, 1:00 amBut i run far cry 2 it works like charm.. only crysis warhead. My hypothesis is becos not enuf ram, it use the pagefile, and my hdd is damn slow and got bit prob, so pagefile is slow, thus stutter and choke here and there.
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i tested my crysis warhead also just now.
i loaded my previous save game. 2 my surprise, the graphic looks ugly, looks like setting has & resolution has been tune down 2 minimum level & also frame rate is chocking.
but i cut go 2 the setting option, reset all the graphic setting, go bck in2 the game & everything is ok bck wit smooth frame rate.......... rclxms.gif
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post Oct 29 2008, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 29 2008, 07:19 AM)
I think becos ur amd is not powerful enuf. Bottlenecking ur 4870 edi la.. Far cry 2 not smooth? Is it stuttering? I think its normal. Try gfx_maxfps 30 or 40. It sets ur max fps to 30 or ur liking. It will be less stuttering but only at 30fps lo. But 30fps CONSTANTLY and no up or down is considered good edi.


Added on October 29, 2008, 8:10 amDamn, i try gamer setting still choke like stupid...  I guess i need 4gb ram to run it smoothly..
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i think so.
i put gamers setting on 1280*1024 resolution wut 4xAA, as my spec on my siggy. everything is as smooth as butter.
but wen i leave my q6600 @ stock speed, i can feel chocking a bit.
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post Oct 29 2008, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 29 2008, 05:30 PM)
Dunno y now like better edi. I tried to delete the cache file, then use optimal setting then switch to gamer setting. At least the choke is bearable and still quite playable. Very few loading. I think i might get 4gb ram asap.


Added on October 29, 2008, 5:31 pmBtw off topic abit, ur kingmax is 4x1gb or 2x2gb? PM me where u bought it smile.gif
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its 2*2gb.
just normal cheppo RAM.
i bought from Viewnet, add 5 bucks got 1 year 1 to 1 exchange.

actually i wanted mushkin RAM.........den dun hav............settle for cheppo kingmax.......................i hate kingston.... mad.gif

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