Still no one can point out which part of my sales thread description is wrong.
The buyer MIA till now (since 5 sept 2008), maybe he is still reading this thread without logging in or in invisible mode?

By end of this week if he still not turn up here, I really hope that moderator can help me to remove the quote
"Seller refuse to refund. Bad seller !"

Some links about this proc description : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/783595/+100
refer to post #109



Wow, I am "wanted" now?
Too many ppl just jump into conclusion without knowing the actual scenario

Why? because of the title "Complain against on " ongbs " seller, Seller refuse to refund. Bad seller !"

Well, all dispute must be seller's fault? How does bro Caspian judge that I am a bad seller?
Be fair to me Caspian, you should put "Complain against on " ongbs " seller, Should I get refund?"

Refer to the Dispute Guidelines:
4. Inform the other party (via PM or otherwise) about your thread here, so he/she has an opportunity to defend himself. An accused party who does not reply within 1 week may then be added to the Trade Zone Black List thread.



I am here to defend myself, not to argue with others nor make enemy

Caspian:
Your "long story short" really short a lot leh!
Too short that may cause many ppl can't understand well

Be careful of the words you use here bro!

"well known"===> did I mentioned this? It may sound same to you but to me it is totally different!
"Well Known" is kinda big, I am just a small fly here.
Not everyone like to talk big !

This is my actual sentence :(check your pm and correct me if I am wrong)
"Dun worry as I got many happy customers in LYN too, beside lelong..."
understand my sentence?? pm me if you need explanation.

I active in lelong since 2001 and gain over 200+ good ratings from sellers and buyers,
Well, 200+ good ratings is not difficult if you are a online trader, but for a hobbyist like me then different story...
I don't think it is easy for me to get this 200 good ratings (0% Negative feedback), If I am that kind of person as you said.
I know what I am doing and I am still doing it now....
You may check my lelong id: ongbs too!

My lelong account temp suspended from bidding coz a I haven't receive a won item that I bank in 1 month ago.
I won another 2 more items from the same seller that I haven't pay coz waiting for this issue to be settle.
After 3 non paying bid, lelong account will be temp suspended automatically.
Well, suspended from bidding just a small matter as I didn't complaint to lelong admin.
No plan to bid anything soon


You said:
"This is not compatibility issue if the processor I brought from him is 478 but the socket is 479 that I agree it is my fault but the notebook is using 478 socket and the processor he sell to me is not 478. Do you understand what I am saying? He turn the table around and refuse to refund and said the warranty not cover the compatibility issue and still think that he is correct about his sales post description leading me to this trouble."

I don't get what you mean, "the processor he sell to me is not 478"
What 478? pin or what? I told you this is Socket 478? Or did you ask is this socket 478?
It is 478 pin micro FCPGA packing....anything wrong with my description?
(Read more at our pm below)

My ori sales thread:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=719569&hl=


Been "active" in forum around 10 yrs and this is my 1st time handle dispute.

Frankly, I don't like to deal with seller like you, if not I have sent out the processor that day, I will cancel the deal (I notice your pm but too bad I set out the proc)!

I hardly use "harsh" word in forum, who know me or traded with me will know....

If you want other to be polite to you, do the same to others...



OK, the link I put in sales thread is from Intel Official site:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL7S9


The description if base on the stepping printed on this proc and paste from Intel site:

Processor Stepping: SL7S9
1.86 GHz 533 MHz
"Package Type: 478 pin" (refer to attached pic fro Intel)

If really you say i give wrong info, then Intel and other 2 official links gave wrong info too?
All the official links stated clearly that this is "Package Type: 478 pin"!

Read your pm really make me piss off!
I never con ppl, when I sell Dell LCD, a buyer from KL bank in RM2100 cash into my account while I just asking for RM150 deposit (I traveled from Ipoh to KL to COD the LCD, he never trade with me before).
I got the full amount paid even I am still in Ipoh, if want to con ppl I just ignore him....
End up I got another happy buyers after COD the LCD in Taman Melawati.
Again, if you need that buyer's info to prove that I am not lie, pm me, I can give you his info for verify after I inform that buyer.


Ok, I make it clear here:
1st: I am not pro in notebook, I try to give the description as accurate as possible so I snap actual photos of proc include stepping model, provide links base on this stepping.

2nd: you never ask me about compatibility issue and you NEVER mention what type of processor you are looking for,
You only asked this in pm together with my sales thread link:
[color=red]"i want to know is the picture in your link above the actual processor picture? i mean the processor pin's? pls reply asap."
I did answer you YES, it was taken from the actual proc....right?
The proc you received got different pin configuration from the pic?

but based on your pm you look like pro

(from your pm)
"i m a experience it technician for 15yrs now repairing & installing thousand of notebooks & processor b4 not some newbie la.

so any warranty?"

[COLOR=red]Ok, I replied you in pm (not sure you read it or not):

"make sure you lappy can support this proc as I won't refund if due to compatibility issue...
This proc is 100% working, I do keep a CPU-Z screen capture but can't find it now as I got thousands of screenic in my various HDDs sad.gif"

and you replied this:
"ok, I understand."


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Some of your pm and my comments:

you wrote:
"guess i m older than u as i used poslaju over 20 years & i know better than u do. pos office officer said any parcel received by pos office after 3pm stay there until the next day collection & deliver on the third day. u will know when i not receive it by tomorrow.

read your previous post yrself u promise me to send b4 3pm & u lie. dont start argue with me, arguing with yr buyer only makes u r a lousy seller.

i trust only myself. i don even know who u r, remember tat."

"u will know when i not receive it by tomorrow"
Did you get the proc next day? I don't know as you didn't reply all my sms, not even a single sms nor my calls!
base on Pos laju website tracking you did get it next day.

I explained to you in PM that I knew what I am doing coz I am more familiar with Pos Laju in my area, you said you been using the service >20yrs and knew them better than me? Then why you still need to call them to check what is the "pick-up" hour in order to get it next day? I knew the "pick-up" time many years back. All my explanation to you look like argument, so pls teach me how should i talk to you? Do you believe at least 2 pos laju staffs can spell my full name and address when they see me on the street, I didn't mean that I know Pos Laju better, just wanna advice you that try to listen to others, don't simply judge with you own mind...even you are smarter. Another advise, don't ever trade to ppl that you don't trust, you just wasting others time and your own time!


"u promise me to send b4 3pm & u lie"
when did I lie to you?
I didn't go out to send the proc before 3pm?
When you get my sms with pos laju tracking? 5pm? 7pm?
==> no, it was 3.12pm, check your handphone or I can resend you that sms!

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 9 2008, 05:52 PM


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You pissed me off because you simply judge ppl by your own mind!
We are human, not god, remember this!

OK, you bank in as 2:05pm 2nd Sep 2008...and you insist me to post via Pos Laju at the same day by 3:00pm!
I understand you need it urgent but you think I staying next door to Post Office huh?

I just know if I can reach post office by 4:30pm, you will get it next day, unless something happen that beyond my control...
Well, see how this guy wrote in pm: (pls note all the time in pm, this really pissed me off!)

See how he pm me:
"u will know when i not receive it by tomorrow.

read your previous post yrself u promise me to send b4 3pm & u lie. dont start argue with me, arguing with yr buyer only makes u r a lousy seller."

I read this pm after I came back home (after 7pm) Too bad I went out to send the proc, or else I will cancel the deal at once!
I don't like to deal with buyer like this...it will just make my life shorter!

Remarks:
I managed to post the proc around 3pm and called him many times but can't get through!
sms him the pos laju tracking around 3:12pm at the same day...
follow up on next day: sent 2 sms ask does he got the proc...walau...he not even replying any of my sms, no pm too!
btw, base on Pos Laju website tracking, he got the proc the next day, 3rd Sep.

Bro, you missed out the previous pm that you haven't talk nicely and keep on blaming I am wrong, my description is wrong!
Ask me for full refund or else you will open a dispute trade! You are "pressing" me bro!
Well prove to me that my description is wrong.

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 05:43 AM


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bro, you need to check my sales thread description and all info/descriptions provided by intel, show me where I i put wrong description?
Did Intel mention this proc is 479-pin?

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Added on September 5, 2008, 9:47 amyou too bro, check intel link from my sales trade, show me which description I put wrong?
Do I need to change intel mentioned spec:
Package Type:478 pin to 479-pin in my description?


"Yes he should refund. Coz it's the seller's responsible to makesure the buyer buy what they want."

bro, your sentence didn't make sense.
refer your sales thread here: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=780248&hl=
(logitech keyboard)
well, can I buy your keyboard and after I received, I ask for full refund coz I don't like the key press "feel"?
According to your sentence, you are the seller and you need to responsible that I will get what I want....

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Its OK, I refuse to refund not because of the money...well RM160 won't make me rich!
It is the way this buyer react, as I said..."be polite if you want others to treat you that way".

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Added on September 5, 2008, 10:00 amI don't think he wanna buy this to install in his deaktop, from what I understand, he bought this for lappy.
You may check Intel link bro

I am not a pro in proc, that is why I put actual proc pics, included the pin view together with all official links that I managed to find.
Since he mention:
"i m a experience it technician for 15yrs now repairing & installing thousand of notebooks & processor b4 not some newbie la."

I never know if he check his lappy specs properly, but I clearly mentioned in my pm that:
"make sure you lappy can support this proc as I won't refund if due to compatibility issue..." and he answered "yes, I understand"..

end story.

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 05:48 AM

I also don't know about this complexity but I did know that lappy is not as simple as desktop.
Some lappy may have same proc socket but still can't support slightly higher speed proc even with same socket

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Added on September 5, 2008, 10:14 amI will refund if he be nice and polite from beginning, but not now.
Unless the description I get from Intel side is wrong and Intel admit this

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no, he bought this proc for lappy, this adapter if not wrong...is for desktop mobo

I may refund him even Intel not wrong, if he wrote to me in more polite way...
Nobody like to hear that ppl said he/she is cheating right?

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 05:49 AM

My sales thread do post actual pic of the actual processor!
here it go

The stepping printed on proc is:
SL7S9

"Seller can't just put the blame on source of his information even if it's from manufacturer. And seller unable to cope with this kind of customers then better don't do business because this kind of customers will always be around."

you mean all web info about this processor is wrong? Prove to us that "478-pin micro-FCPGA packing" is wrong.

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This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 5 2008, 12:45 PM

I didn't put wrong description in my thread.

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Added on September 5, 2008, 12:15 pmread properly, he bought it for notebook not desktop, I been saying this twice...
My sales thread clearly stated this proc is for Notebook!

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 05:52 AM

my processor is 478 pins. Go check Intel site.
It is not typo...I retype a gain, it is 478 pin package micro-FCPGA.

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 05:53 AM

Well, I am not sure if he goggle around but he said he pm me about this proc some time back, I can't remember as too many pm.

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Added on September 5, 2008, 1:14 pmbro ||||||???
you keep on saying "seller's fault"..., can you show me which description I wrote wrongly?
Check through your profile, you are a popular seller, why jump to conclusion that fast?

well, pic is important as for lappy, coz pros got many types.
I didn't count the pin too...who will huh?
I just check a few website and all look same in specs wise, I just paste from there!

I didn't put wrong description, correct me if wrong.
All description from Intel site and I don't think it is wrong!

Report to police? I got con by a few sellers, money bank in but seller don't know where now!
Many buyers reported, does it help? I doubt...
"Mohd Sharilwan's thread is one good example.

Report to consumer dep?
well if this buyer wanna report, what to tell them? I sold wrong item to him? Did I do that?

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 05:55 AM

[quote=Caspian,Sep 5 2008, 05:04 PM]
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Thank you for your simple understanding sentense "i wanted to buy apple but got orange" and yes I am angry because the seller mislead me and cause all this trouble. I am a human too so I'll get angry too who wont? And seller dont talk like you are very nice and polite (what kind of seller who argue with buyer I qwant to ask?) ongbs you are a very bad temper also from what I sense from your atittude.



Intel got two kind/type of this processor. Read this review http://reviews.ebay.com/Intel-apos-s-479-S...T:-1:LISTINGS:1

Who is rude? me or irresponsible seller? Refund or no refund? I will let the reader here decide.

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Don't judge me again as you don't know me, if you polite since beginning I won't write/talk to you that way.
I got pissed off by you more than those con men that con me!

Still my simple words : "be polite if you need others to treat you that way".

You try to dig out any of my thread that I am not "polite" enough?
try to find is there any ppl reply in my thread that I am bad temper or make them angry?

"Thank you for your simple understanding sentense "i wanted to buy apple but got orange" and yes I am angry because the seller mislead me and cause all this trouble. I am a human too so I'll get angry too who wont? And seller dont talk like you are very nice and polite (what kind of seller who argue with buyer I qwant to ask?) ongbs you are a very bad temper also from what I sense from your atittude."

bro, when you said you wanna apple? (or whatever socket you call it)
Show me the pm you ever mentioned what you want? You just ask me is the photo of the pin view is taken from real proc! That I've answered you clearly, yes!
Which part I mislead you huh?
Cause all these trouble? pls lah bro....I need to answer all your Qs, need to pack the proc, need to drive 10km to do postage, all this must be done within 1hour as you insist, this is not trouble to me but trouble to you huh? Thank you for your definition about "trouble"

"ongbs you are a very bad temper also from what I sense from your atittude."
I haven't really learn that I have to be nice to ppl that "hurt" my feeling, my fault...sorry.

Intel got two kind/type of this processor. Read this review http://reviews.ebay.com/Intel-apos-s-479-S...T:-1:LISTINGS:1

Sorry, I didn't find this link when I goggle for the proc stepping!, and still it didn't prove that my description is wrong, isn't it

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 05:58 AM

Thank you for your understanding.

I just can't convince myself to refund him after so much hassle, he really spoil my day when I got back from post office....after getting that pm. It is not money issue.....

If not because I want to get reply from him whether he receive the processor, I have put him in my "ignored list" directly that day.

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 5 2008, 05:39 PM

It is not revenge bro,
I never threat LYN as place to earn $$$, it is the place that I learn and share.

I am not a good sales man nor businessman and I am not that type of ppl that always support "Customer is always right".
Even myself as customer most of the time, also won't act as "I am always right".

Respect others=respect ourself

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 06:01 AM

haha bro, if you are the buyer, simple solution...send me back the proc and I will give full refund, inclusive of the courier charges!

not the "Preferential treatment" things...
If you be polite to me, I will be more polite

As for acecombat, we never have problem since 1st deal...polite and treat others as friends all the way!
Not just AceCombat, many many LYN friends here.

If he pm me when he found that the proc not compatible, write something like:
"sorry, I make mistake, it can't fit my lappy"
then OK, I will refund.

But actual pm is:
"The processor is not working! You given the wrong info on your post stating it was 478! !"

then:

"Refund me or exchange me a socket 478 processor. If you ignore me, I will open a trade zone dispute topic against you for me selling a 479 processor as 478."

Should I smile at him after reading these pm?

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 06:04 AM

Not me alone can solve this right?

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 06:06 AM

sorry to "disappointing" many ppl here.
I can't give myself a reason to refund him. Not this time.....


Pls note that since started he is pointing finger to me like "you are wrong"!
As I said I am human too, it do make me angry.....

Unless he apologizes to me here and someone willing help me to test the proc still in good condition as the lappy I used to test this processor just been been sold last week. Then we (seller and buyer) may discuss further....

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 06:07 AM

coffee no need lah....me from Ipoh....may go to you if you nearby buyer's area

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Added on September 5, 2008, 8:14 pmThanks, we got the same viewpoint on that 10000%

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Added on September 5, 2008, 8:16 pmNo hurry, I've in this forum for years...I won't disappear overnight.

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Added on September 5, 2008, 8:30 pm"So TS: seller gave you a very generous offer d IMO - just swallow your attitude and apologize la.
Ongbs: Testing is gonna be very important. s479 and s478 are mechanically compatible - thus TS could have forced the proc into the wrong socket and power-up. Idk what happens if he did that, but might not be good.."

"Testing is gonna be very important"
Yes, some forumers MSN this to me before
Thanks.

This post has been edited by ongbs: Sep 7 2008, 06:09 AM