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DIY T-Amp user/diyer come here :), TA2024 complete build board diy

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post Oct 4 2008, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(justblair @ Oct 4 2008, 01:59 AM)
Well a low pass works in a similar fasion, but this time the cap is connected to ground.  As the higher frequencies pass through the cap, they are discharged to ground and removed from the signal path.  The lower are sheparded on to the amplifier.

The Sure boards I have, had this arrangement in place, but unfortunately the caps they used were large enough to pass some audible frequency through as well. 

Removing them returned the highest of the audio frequencies and improved the top end sound.  You can also use a coil here, as inductors prevent high frequenies from passing.  Thats because they use a magnetic field to filter.

If you dont have a low pass filter, your amp is reproducing the high frequenices outside of the audible frequency spectrum.  (HF noise from other components for instance). 

Some amps dont like doing this and it can make them oscillate, but the tripaths are stable at the higher frequencies.  Of course with instrumentation you can detect the amplified high frequences (or "noise") and without the low pass filters the amps measure worse for Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR).  Humans though cant hear this noise, so some audio equipment with apparently high SNR sound better when you think they should sound terribel looking at the figures....  Non-oversampling DACs for instance produce high SNR yet are loved by their owners! (ie me!)

A commercial manufacturer would on the other hand find this high SNR bad, but thats more for commercial reasons, SNR has for a long time been banded around as an indication of high quality... Its not as simple as that, the frequency of the noise is just as if not more important.
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Thanks Blair for the explanation.....but if the lo frequency grounded....will it make worse. Too bright with no bass.....then how to recover back the balance in the signal ???
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post Oct 4 2008, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(justblair @ Oct 4 2008, 02:18 AM)
The low frequency isn't grounded, but rather it's blocked.  However, if you design your filter to a low enough point, it doesn't matter. 

Humans have limits to what low frequencies we can hear just as we have for the high frequencies.  You set your filter low enough and we can't detect either those frequencies absense or inclusion in the signal.

On top of that, your speakers are far more of a limiting factor here.  At 50hz my Mission 753's are half as loud as at 100hz, and lower than that the frequency they just get worse.

Even the largest of pipe organs only reach down to 15hz or so.  If your filter is set at 5hz, you dont lose any of the music.
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so having a speaker with 50hz-20khz is not a bad after all....you still have bass and treble.... hmm.gif

I hope you could provide suggestion regarding my query.....

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post Oct 8 2008, 12:50 AM

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For TT it should be done in Karaoke bar..... smile.gif
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post Oct 9 2008, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 9 2008, 04:16 AM)
We're moving fast into page 102. good work guys! thumbup.gif
Looks like we're back in action! biggrin.gif

xtorm,
good proposal! wink.gif only I am NOT free this weekend ler.. next weekend better chance. Anyhow, Y.C. is yet to complete the mods/upgrade. So we'll let our first host be ready wink.gif
How big is the crowd ler? hmm.gif
What about ongbs? When are you coming down? tongue.gif
mysghooi, I know you're in Perak but do you keen in joining us?

The anticipated attendees would be:
1. xtorm
2. Y.C.
3. ME
4. march05
5.(ongbs)
6.metalmania(?)
7.gabanyayaya

Did I missed anyone or is there anybody else that like to join us?
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Ohh...siang-sial already have register my name also....ok ok ok will be there.... smile.gif
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post Oct 10 2008, 07:26 PM

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Y.C, thanks for amending the pronunciation of the holy name of gabanyayaya... this people will get sue lah.... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Guys what's wrong with karaoke room....good for singing and can bring bunch of ah moi.... brows.gif
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post Oct 11 2008, 02:34 AM

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Err...will try bring my home made test CD collection....
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post Oct 11 2008, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 11 2008, 06:34 AM)
Great! You bring the best of the best ya!

Err, I presumed we have a CDP to be used?  tongue.gif
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ehh...must have a CD player mah or at least a cap ayam DVD player to play....if not how...when only have bunch or T-amp only shakehead.gif
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post Oct 11 2008, 08:10 PM

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Wah...good...jazzy has a new profession now.....tour guide to JP only...get a yellow school bus and a driver. charge RM10 sorang and go touring around JP. he'll show you which shops sells cheap, which shop should be avoided, which shop sells rare jewels and which have good looking ah moi..... rclxms.gif

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post Oct 13 2008, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 13 2008, 10:52 PM)
Great work bling*2! Thank you very much!:thumbs:
Now we all can swing back into action! Saturday is approaching fast guys! wink.gif
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Saturday..........!!!!!????? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Oct 15 2008, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(Y.C. @ Oct 15 2008, 12:17 AM)
Jazzy,
I will do just that and assemble the 50K ohm passive pre-amp neatly into a small casing.

We have yet to finalise the time for our T/T session ya? How about we have it after lunch say from 3.00 - 6.00PM? (opened for discussion to all who are coming to the session).

Guys, apart from listening to various T-amps after different mods were carried out onto a same board (TA2024) besides March's different T-amp (TA-2022), we hope to brainstorm and share the sonic traits of the T-amp vs other commercial amps plus other aspects of music playback. And of course our Teh Tarik or Nescafe Tarik plus snacks.

Venue: Y.C.'s office

Location: 22-2 Jalan USJ 10/1, Taipan Triangle, 47620 Subang Jaya, Selangor D.E. (same row as McDonalds, Herbs&Food and Guardian; opposite Nasi Kandar Kayu Pulau Pinang and directly above Hong Leong Bank)

Time: 3.00 - 6.00PM tentatively proposed and subject to agreement by all.
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bro Y.C, this place..... is it near the white town coffee and perwira affin bank????
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post Oct 15 2008, 10:44 PM

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No need for Googleling lah....I'm very much familiar at that spot....always go there for my 'shopping' spree....

Y.C any dessert or tidbits ???
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post Oct 17 2008, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(Y.C. @ Oct 17 2008, 03:26 PM)
PcWork,
You certainly do have great attitude.  thumbup.gif
The views expressed in my blog are solely mine and not meant to be imposed onto others.

Jazzy,
Thank you so much for your understanding.  smile.gif
I wonder how the rest of guys would take to the postphonement of our first t/t session. I was also looking forward to bsl joining us as a nuetral observer and listener, maybe we could succeed in spreading some T-amp poison to him as well.  hmm.gif  laugh.gif
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I'm 100% agreed....something come across today and I have to settle it tomorrow and might not able to attend to TT. Guys better find a suitable day for TT......
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post Oct 17 2008, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 17 2008, 10:14 PM)
mikoblackcat,
care to share some pics for the tube amp?  tongue.gif


Added on October 17, 2008, 10:03 pmAnyone will be in JP tomorrow?
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hey bro are YOU going to JP tomorrow???
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post Oct 18 2008, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 18 2008, 11:51 AM)
yes.
am planning to be there in the afternoon. rain or not wink.gif
you wanna tag along huh? tongue.gif
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ayyya!!!!...just come back from JP......check posting during Saturday morning but no reply.....so I go alone to JP....now just come back..Jazzy saw those Y.C caps.....so many eh.....don't know how much but guessing it will dirty cheap..... tongue.gif The shop is next to the Public Bank which selling Pro's Kitt. Saw some SMPS too.....good price, 12V 4.5A about RM80. Bigger amp will cost RM180 over....Jazzy this price is a good or expen$ive....?????

Watching Shakatak video on Youtube....the vocalist Jill is sure a hairdo babe.... biggrin.gif

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post Oct 18 2008, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 18 2008, 03:34 PM)
gabanyayaya,
good la.. afternoon/evenings always raining ler.. tongue.gif
Oh those YC caps.. depends on values, they go from few sen to a couple of ringgit. Cheap I'd say.
RM80? Can get those at about RM55 in another shop 3 minutes away.. wink.gif
If can get cheaper, surely I'd say its expensive lor.. biggrin.gif

Jill has been with Shakatak since day one.. yep, that her alright  laugh.gif

Are you a fan of Shakatak now? hmm.gif
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Fan....??? I don't know la.....but the tunes is good.... biggrin.gif But you know that I'm into Brian Simpson right now....!!!!

whachu doing now???? Any 'surgery'....???? Been to bank near Y.C's place last Thursday coincidentally. Wah....!!!...Y.C got his own consultant company....wonder what setup he has in his office???
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post Oct 18 2008, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 18 2008, 06:11 PM)
Shakatak is more into funk jazz genre.. with catchy electric piano lead and female backups.. always their signature..
Brian Simpson? hehehe listening to him right now! laugh.gif

Currently making some PCBs using ExpressPCB for my speaker relay board, buffer pre-amp and a buffer board.. wink.gif

That question will be answered next week!  tongue.gif
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Yep....funk jazz is their signature......what Brian Simpson....??? You play from CD or ripped from some website????

So finally got your self a buffered preamp......is the one using JFET transistors?????? How does it play with the T amp??? Keen to know.....and hear.... hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Oct 18 2008, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(mikoblackcat @ Oct 17 2008, 09:20 PM)
Oh.. I have no idea about the "batch 5"... I am getting it from here... Diyparadise

this it the amp

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as for the diy tube pre-amp, I am using the famous Marantz M7 tube pre-amp circuit but it is already enhanced where all the tone control is taken out.. (I prefer to run flat), The power supply is also improved by using a solid state regulator and a regulated DC heater supply... I wish I can post the schematic here but I no longer have it.. unless it is somewhere inside the boxes where all my junks is stored..  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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mikoblackcat how much do you spend for this amp???
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post Oct 18 2008, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 18 2008, 11:29 PM)
gabanyayaya,
are thinking of acquiring the TA2020? hmm.gif
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no lah...jut curious......you know lah diyparadise product is too...way too expensive for a MADE IN MALAYSIA amp....
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post Oct 18 2008, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 18 2008, 11:49 PM)
Yes.. we are aware of that! biggrin.gif
Honestly I am kinda curious too how much that TA2020 might cost.. then again the Proton is also locally 'assembled' tongue.gif
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locally assembled......but only the quality can justify it all.......can't wait for TT to listen bunch of this T amp...

jazzy your 'weapon' is ready or not....????
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post Oct 18 2008, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 19 2008, 12:00 AM)
What weapon? tongue.gif
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your t amp lah....!!!!! doh.gif doh.gif

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