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R.Y.D.E.C.K
post Oct 15 2008, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(b48753 @ Oct 15 2008, 10:47 AM)
No lah..Proton still want to maintain Waja as their top range model after Perdana...and looks like in future Waja will be bigger to replace Perdana and then later Persona will take the Waja current seat..

Heard that Proton MPV will replace Perdana based on pricing..
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i agree, i we look,waja design is much more solid....myb second after perdana

QUOTE(loong2020 @ Oct 15 2008, 12:38 PM)
hmmm..i removed it..but seem nothing is connected...it just a plastic.... hmm.gif  hmm.gif ....back is metal only....or izit shows effect when driving time??
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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Oct 15 2008, 02:57 PM)
you have to floor it to see whether got improvement or not.
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i think the stopper is to avoid the pedal from stuck with the rubbermate....drive by wire doesnt mean it control the pedal...myb the engine system...haiiyahh soo dammn heavy rain ..sure jemmed after office hour...luckily didnt plan to go back earlier laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Oct 15 2008, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(R.Y.D.E.C.K @ Oct 15 2008, 04:00 PM)
i agree, i we look,waja design is much more solid....myb second  after perdana
i think the stopper is to avoid the pedal from stuck with the rubbermate....drive by wire doesnt mean it control the pedal...myb the engine system...haiiyahh soo dammn heavy  rain ..sure jemmed after office hour...luckily didnt plan to go back earlier laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Its got nothing related with the drive-by-wire lar. Just joking around. laugh.gif

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post Oct 15 2008, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(R.Y.D.E.C.K @ Oct 15 2008, 04:00 PM)
i agree, i we look,waja design is much more solid....myb second  after perdana
i think the stopper is to avoid the pedal from stuck with the rubbermate....drive by wire doesnt mean it control the pedal...myb the engine system...haiiyahh soo dammn heavy  rain ..sure jemmed after office hour...luckily didnt plan to go back earlier laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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the drive by wire is using sensor, by removing the stopper will enable more throttle opening. Anyway this is just an asumption, unless there is a piggy installed to compare the throttle opening % for before and after removing the stopper.


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post Oct 15 2008, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Oct 15 2008, 04:38 PM)
the drive by wire is using sensor, by removing the stopper will enable more throttle opening. Anyway this is just an asumption, unless there is a piggy installed to compare the throttle opening % for before and after removing the stopper.
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I think when we floor the pedal (with the stopper attach), the throttle is already at maximum. Even by removing it, if the sensor/system is not programmed to include those pedal position, it will not change anything. But thanks to R.Y.D.E.C.K because tested this theory.
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post Oct 15 2008, 05:27 PM

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me too got "eek" sound when press the brake pedal... better send for service ler if like this.. tongue.gif

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post Oct 15 2008, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(lordragos @ Oct 15 2008, 05:27 PM)
me too got "eek" sound when press the brake pedal... better send for service ler if like this..  tongue.gif
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Your guys ears are soooo sensitive. laugh.gif

Anyway, better get it check.
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QUOTE(lordragos @ Oct 15 2008, 05:27 PM)
me too got "eek" sound when press the brake pedal... better send for service ler if like this..  tongue.gif
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Yes, got company tongue.gif When sent the car?

QUOTE(sphiroth @ Oct 15 2008, 05:31 PM)
Your guys ears are soooo sensitive.  laugh.gif

Anyway, better get it check.
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post Oct 15 2008, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Oct 15 2008, 02:57 PM)
you have to floor it to see whether got improvement or not.
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just tekan max afta toll...no improvement..but i think topspeed slightly higher due to the plastic thing got removed...

mayb try some other time and see... tongue.gif


Added on October 15, 2008, 5:46 pmand i notice mitshubishi waja,wira,saga dont have that plastic stopper....hmmm..could be drive by wire sensor??... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Oct 15 2008, 05:24 PM)
I think when we floor the pedal  (with the stopper attach), the throttle is already at maximum. Even by removing it, if the sensor/system is not programmed to include those pedal position, it will not change anything. But thanks to R.Y.D.E.C.K because tested this theory.
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my someone didnt know n they though like that.. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Oct 15 2008, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(R.Y.D.E.C.K @ Oct 15 2008, 05:47 PM)
my someone didnt know n they though like that.. laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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what u mean?? blink.gif
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post Oct 15 2008, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Oct 15 2008, 05:49 PM)
what u mean?? blink.gif
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myb someone think that there a sytem that collaborate with the pedal..like auto pedal..sensor or something..
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post Oct 15 2008, 06:06 PM

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haha..i remove it got no connectors...just a hole for the screw... sweat.gif sweat.gif ....but i think topspeed can naik abit..la...
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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Oct 15 2008, 06:06 PM)
haha..i remove it got no connectors...just a hole for the screw... sweat.gif  sweat.gif ....but i think topspeed can naik abit..la...
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myb due to the floor tapping..coz b4 got stopper...deep push to the floor laugh.gif
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post Oct 15 2008, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Oct 15 2008, 06:06 PM)
haha..i remove it got no connectors...just a hole for the screw... sweat.gif  sweat.gif ....but i think topspeed can naik abit..la...
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QUOTE(R.Y.D.E.C.K @ Oct 15 2008, 06:13 PM)
myb due to the floor tapping..coz b4 got stopper...deep push to the floor laugh.gif
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I think not, as they can put limiter in the ECU for throttle position easily (due to the drive-by-wire) rather than use a stopper like that. hmm.gif
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post Oct 15 2008, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Oct 15 2008, 05:24 PM)
I think when we floor the pedal  (with the stopper attach), the throttle is already at maximum. Even by removing it, if the sensor/system is not programmed to include those pedal position, it will not change anything. But thanks to R.Y.D.E.C.K because tested this theory.
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hard to say, we don't have measurement device therefore can't actually know whether it's 100% open throttle or else.


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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Oct 15 2008, 07:42 PM)
I think not, as they can put limiter in the ECU for throttle position easily (due to the drive-by-wire) rather than use a stopper like that. hmm.gif
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yes u r right they can set throttle position, but bare in mind there's tolerence in dimension/angle on the accelerator pedal, plastic stopper and bracket on chasis that could really make some different.


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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Oct 15 2008, 08:40 PM)
hard to say, we don't have measurement device therefore can't actually know whether it's 100% open throttle or else.


Added on October 15, 2008, 8:44 pm

yes u r right they can set throttle position, but bare in mind there's tolerence in dimension/angle on the accelerator pedal, plastic stopper and bracket on chasis that could really make some different.
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Maybe they limiter is actually are the throttle position. Even if you full throttle, the ECU will not open 100%. Need to re-map (remove those limiter) my ECU to find out. brows.gif

Because of the drive by wire, one thing Proton can (and should) implement in Campro engine is the Throttle adjustment. Meaning we can chose to have deep pedal movement or not. Or something like sport mode and normal mode that can adjust the throttle response from either good FC or good performance. nod.gif
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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Oct 15 2008, 08:55 PM)
Maybe they limiter is actually are the throttle position. Even if you full throttle, the ECU will not open 100%. Need to re-map (remove those limiter) my ECU to find out.  brows.gif

Because of the drive by wire, one thing Proton can  (and should) implement in Campro engine is the Throttle adjustment. Meaning we can chose to have deep pedal movement or not. Or something like sport mode and normal mode that can adjust the throttle response from either good FC or good performance. nod.gif
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probably u r right on the ECU mapping as it might controlled not 100% opening. U mean the throttle adjustment is like what i've set for my AFC Neo, Lo thr % & high thr %. My current setting is 15% lo thr and 30% high thr. Which means the once my throttle reach 30% opening, hi thr A/F setting will take over.


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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Oct 15 2008, 08:55 PM)
Maybe they limiter is actually are the throttle position. Even if you full throttle, the ECU will not open 100%. Need to re-map (remove those limiter) my ECU to find out.  brows.gif

Because of the drive by wire, one thing Proton can  (and should) implement in Campro engine is the Throttle adjustment. Meaning we can chose to have deep pedal movement or not. Or something like sport mode and normal mode that can adjust the throttle response from either good FC or good performance. nod.gif
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i vote for good performance.. tongue.gif ...hmmm...but how come older waja (mitshubishi) dont have that thing?....even old wira,saga.. hmm.gif
campro seems abit hard to climb after 160km...
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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Oct 15 2008, 09:05 PM)
i vote for good performance.. tongue.gif ...hmmm...but how come older waja (mitshubishi) dont have that thing?....even old wira,saga.. hmm.gif
campro seems abit hard to climb after 160km...
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what thing? u mean pedal stopper?

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Oct 15 2008, 09:04 PM)
probably u r right on the ECU mapping as it might controlled not 100% opening. U mean the throttle adjustment is like what i've set for my AFC Neo, Lo thr % & high thr %. My current setting is 15% lo thr and 30% high thr. Which means the once my throttle reach 30% opening, hi thr A/F setting will take over.
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Although most people thinks that drive-by-wire are not suitable for modding, I fells otherwise. Because its are electronics, modding can be done as simple as program/setting. But since there is no 'cheap' management system for Campro (yet)... doh.gif


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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Oct 15 2008, 09:05 PM)
i vote for good performance.. tongue.gif ...hmmm...but how come older waja (mitshubishi) dont have that thing?....even old wira,saga.. hmm.gif
campro seems abit hard to climb after 160km...
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Go to SC that got the PDT device and willing to remove the limiter for you... usually the extra service will cost you RM50. whistling.gif

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