Pai, sorry that i have to say this...

I have a lot of confidence in SPS, coz they never failed me.

See ya.

Mr Cannot tahan,

Your confidence do enhance my confidence. Thank you.

Btw, since Zavier had make a conclusion, we should only revisit should there be any more intellectual Qs.

Like Mr Cannot Tahan always said, U have to ask a right Q to get a right A.

Not knowing ur Q simply bring u to no way.

Thank you to Mr. Cannot Tahan, Zavier, Merce, Alan....And last but not least, Paineer who demonstrated some sort of skills to us.



Pai, dun be personal...

This post has been edited by chuah xui cheng: Sep 22 2009, 09:47 PM

I bet u did, explains why u bought SW

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Added on September 23, 2009, 12:47 amStill avoiding the question? Everyone, pls look below for all the questionable claims made by Xui Cheng in her quest to sell SW to you all :


I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?


Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 23 2009, 12:47 AM

Move on Pai,

Accusing people as liar & retard wont bring u to success.

I understand you are struggling to save your credibility here, after your blunders were pointed out, as a Paineer

Emotion will always cloud your mind and obstruct you from seeing the obvious, disabling you from reading the simple.

I am here to share, not to convince.

I asked u the same Qs days ago, which you have been avoiding.

I invite u to show me that u are capable of understanding the basic, b4 we move on to more intellectual discussion.

1. Would a goodwill of a developer has any bearing in term of properties' potential and likelihood of complete VP in time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM

2. Are there plenty or lacking of businessman in Puchong?

3. Is paper gain = materialized profit?

4. Is SW different from Zest, Zen... in term of concept and lifestyle? Is yes, would there be a market differentiation?

5. Selling fast = Good? have you seen any exception?

6. Can all businessman afford a Bungalow or Semi D? (since u claimed that businessman will stay in bangalow & semD)

7. Is personal preference one of the contributing factor in one's decision?

8. Is "expensive" an illusion subject to affordability, with a little bit of personal preference?

9. Is "high End" subject to relativity?

10. Comparing Rolex and B&R, Rolex is definitely more practical, why some younger generation opts for B&R given the same price tag?

11. Can the above questions be answered by mere common sense?

12. Would those in ZEST, Zen...face the traffic jam? Zen may need to use the same highway to reach home...

Given you "outstanding" record in Zest, i'm not sure whether u can read or not...Did you enjoy the youtube link, in which you rubbished all the claims?

Oops, top up Qs:-

14. Is Chuah Xui Cheng always right? Bonus question, answer is NO, a BIG NO

15. Is Pai always right? If Yes, 15.1 was he right in rubbishing all the claims against Zest's dev, 15.2 and asking everyone to wait for minimum a year for Zest, and he bought one in 6 months?

This post has been edited by chuah xui cheng: Sep 19 2009, 11:31 PM

Same Xui Cheng ah? Baby cute leh...

http://www.facebook.com/people/Xui-Cheng-C...6213?flyingspaghettimonster=search

I dont make false claims like Xui Cheng TO MISS-SELL SW so answering you is rather...........pointless. Even Zavier and Cannot Tahan who is vested in SW never made such claims, so credit to them for not being overboard and being fair enuff in our previous discussions.

FYI here r some questions that I asked u 1st, I'll answer your question when u answer mine (altho I doubt u have the capacity to do so) :


I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?


Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 23 2009, 01:29 AM

Haha, the baby is really cute. She is pretty as well.

Mind u, even Mr CAnnot Tahan did a same mistake at realestate link by putting a wrong facebook as well, he apologised after the "actual" person sounded him.

hehehe.

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Added on September 23, 2009, 7:57 amMove on Pai,

Accusing people as liar & retard wont bring u to success.

I understand you are struggling to save your credibility here, after your blunders were pointed out, as a Paineer

Emotion will always cloud your mind and obstruct you from seeing the obvious, disabling you from reading the simple.

I am here to share, not to convince.

I asked u the same Qs days ago, which you have been avoiding.

I invite u to show me that u are capable of understanding the basic, b4 we move on to more intellectual discussion.

1. Would a goodwill of a developer has any bearing in term of properties' potential and likelihood of complete VP in time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM

2. Are there plenty or lacking of businessman in Puchong?

3. Is paper gain = materialized profit?

4. Is SW different from Zest, Zen... in term of concept and lifestyle? Is yes, would there be a market differentiation?

5. Selling fast = Good? have you seen any exception?

6. Can all businessman afford a Bungalow or Semi D? (since u claimed that businessman will stay in bangalow & semD)

7. Is personal preference one of the contributing factor in one's decision?

8. Is "expensive" an illusion subject to affordability, with a little bit of personal preference?

9. Is "high End" subject to relativity?

10. Comparing Rolex and B&R, Rolex is definitely more practical, why some younger generation opts for B&R given the same price tag?

11. Can the above questions be answered by mere common sense?

12. Would those in ZEST, Zen...face the traffic jam? Zen may need to use the same highway to reach home...

Given you "outstanding" record in Zest, i'm not sure whether u can read or not...Did you enjoy the youtube link, in which you rubbished all the claims?

Oops, top up Qs:-

14. Is Chuah Xui Cheng always right? Bonus question, answer is NO, a BIG NO

15. Is Pai always right? If Yes, 15.1 was he right in rubbishing all the claims against Zest's dev, 15.2 and asking everyone to wait for minimum a year for Zest, and he bought one in 6 months?

This post has been edited by chuah xui cheng: Sep 23 2009, 07:59 AM

Why everyone quoting me, AIYOYOY...

Propcritic, you may have just invited a problem...

As pointed out by Xui Cheng, i did the same thing last time, not once, twice.

The 1st one in realestate link, the real named person sounded to the webmaster and the whole link got deleted...

The 2nd one was rather a mishap...HEHEHE, so malu nak bagi tahu.. I did it again in 1 blog, that fella complained to MCMC, the Commission went all the way to trace my location and send me a warning letter...as claimed, it amounts to breach of privacy under the Cyber law.

S**t, twice also i got it wrong...

And this is not funny, I checked the law after that 2nd one with a learned brother at law, i was advised that by doing so, I am subject to legal suit from the real named person, regardless he is or he is not, as any registered user of Facebook only assigned his right to Facebook, and bo more...

And dun ever think that he/she cant get u, coz MCMC has all the avenue to trace your location. In fact, any things sent from your laptop will leave a fingerprint...HAHAHA, scary leh....

This is why i said when time goes by, i acquired a lot of skills...Walanehhhhh

HAHAHA, most of those who can understand me know that i am not bullshiting, though i like to offend people.

And my sincere advice to you, you better retract that before it is too late. OK lah, i'm telling from my experience lah, Your liberty mah!!!

A normal man learns from his mistake, a smart man learns from other's mistake...

A smartest man like me, will tell other to learn from other's mistake.

This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 23 2009, 08:44 AM

Oooooh....I'm so scared now, how? .....Not just Cannot Tahan, Cannot Sleep oso leh...how?

Pai, can you guys just move on and have constructive discussion on SW? Many of the readers are here to seek (or provide constructive) views rather than seeing you guys bashing each other, for the repeating questions over the last few pages.

Peace.

Noted, will no comment on the sales girl again unless I see a misleading post again.

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Added on September 23, 2009, 12:48 pmbtw Cannot Tahan chief,

Did you buy studio's for your 1st SW unit and r u planning to get th same for your 2nd unit?

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 23 2009, 12:48 PM

Absolutely. Most of us are here to share.

Recommend you to see a recent comment made by ericwk70 at http://realestate.net.my/forum/viewtopic.p...=asc&start=1025

Quite informative.

Ms Chuah,

1. I'm vested in the Zest.
2. But we're interested in SW seeing its superb location and overall concept. And please bear in mind that Zest buyers do not necessarily end up being your competitor. We are all Puchong home owners. Some of us are actually interested in more than 1 project in Puchong. (Unless you underestimated the buying power of those piggie-pretenders here.)
3. My cousin is vested in SW, so we're all praying hard that SW will be a great success (same for Zest).
4. As a potential buyer of SW, it's very uncomfortable to see all these "finger-pointing" and "name-calling". You may be just a great supporter of SW or worse, you may be a sales exec from Setia. I don't know. Or maybe you're some other projects' sales exec trying to bring down SW?

Anyway, all I wanna say is - I don't think this is working if you're trying to "bring up" SW. I think you're doing something opposite now. SW already has its own selling points, which are obvious advantages over Zest (except the price). Most of us are well aware of that. There are people who are willing to pay a premium for the concept and location. There are people who prefer something more affordable. We can only compare the projects to our personal benchmark system and share our PERSONAL views, but its up to the reader's discretion to accept our views or not.

Pai chief,
I have been long enough foruming with xui cheng, she is definitely not a sales girl. She had footprints on other Developers as well, in which she also "promoted".
On the contrary, i have not seen her rubbished any project, except some slight adverse comment on Zen.
And i dont think she is misleading, coz it is just different interpratation of facts.

Hope you can understand where i am coming from.

In fact, i always wellcome SA, coz i want to see how they market my would be property...
I love critics even more, coz i want to see whether those critics can be overcome.

And i do agree with her on:
1. Developer
Property is a heavy investment, the potential losses are to heavy to bear. My eyesight is focus on 6-7 developers, any other project...i dont even give a peep. It is my golden rule that before i think how much i can earn, i find out first the maximum potential losses.

2. Landmark
Perhaps we all have different apprehension over this word. I agree as well in principle. SPS has their intention to introduce new element into puchong. And for myself, i didnt mind to pay a premium, in order not to live in a condo with people from lower class, with due respect. Paying higher always get you better neughbours. This is somehow lacking in Puchong.

With themeless launches in Kepong and Selayang also passing 300k, i think SW worth it.
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For the 1st one, i went for Type C.
For the 2nd one, i'll go for Type D, provided they dont change the layout, which they are changing.

Thanks

Thanks for explaining to Pai...and I.

Your view is absolutely objective and rational, maybe just you missed some issues.

Thanks for agreeing with my proposition that Personal benchmark and affordability is one of the contributing factor in buying a property.

Btw, can u find a single word of mine condemning Zest? I have said that Zest, Zen, SW...are not mutually exclusive and all will be benefited, just in case you are mindful to revisit the last few pages...

And i dont understand what is the needs to compare since Zest was fully sold?

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Added on September 23, 2009, 1:43 pmMr. Cannot Tahan,

A seasoned man will always read and understand before he open his mouth.
As usual, Mr. Cannot Tahan, i will always leave it to u once you have started the ball rolling...
And....Thank you, as usual

This post has been edited by chuah xui cheng: Sep 23 2009, 01:46 PM

A man has to do what a man should do.

I do appreciate the views you expressed.

And I do concur with you that there are more and more Peniaga/well to do guys in Puchong.

And i can confirm you are not a SA, u PMed me b4 u finally bought Zest & SW

Many thanks

This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 23 2009, 02:03 PM

Boss, in the 1st place, my only issue with Xui Cheng is i tot' her statement on these 2 accounts were overly bullish on SW :

1. SW will be a landmark
2. SW will be 1st to benefit on gains of PFCC, IOI Boulevard etc.

Since I do not understand where he/she is coming from with those statement, I POLITELY ASKED her to clarify, in which she posted the link. If she has done her research properly, I was also in the link, posted my views on SW wayyy back (think even before whe did), and has followed the link since. U n I both now as of today, there many more negatives on the link than the positives, so my lack of understanding on her views again prompted me to asked her to clarify why:

1. SW will be a landmark
2. SW will be 1st to benefit on gains of PFCC, IOI Boulevard etc.

She could not answer............. then she starts her emotional/personal attack on me, then Zest. I never had any problems with you or Zavier as I think while we may disagree on the subject, neither me, you, or Zavier :

1. Oversell Zest or SW (well not without facts to back our claims at least)
2. Went on personal attacks.

Bottomline, she's not misleading IF she could clarify/justify her statements, but it is something she has yet to do till date. An investor can explain the rational of their decision (yourself as an example), but sales person often cant. And when she fails to clarify herslef, Backkom is absolutely right, it creates an adverse effect on her desperate efforts to promote SW, and its not good for all of us. (Yes, I said all of us. How well SW does will give an indication how well Zest will do, so Im impacted too)

Move on Pai, dont kill it when Cannot Tahan just kicked start a meaningful discussion.

Have u forgotten i posted the link saying that "...which Pai is a member of it"...

Repeating yourself wont make u smarter.

Let's move on.


This post has been edited by chuah xui cheng: Sep 23 2009, 03:06 PM

1. Can you find a single word from me saying that you're condemning Zest? I said we should stop all those "finger-pointing", "name-calling" and especially those "old-posts-digging". We're not lawyers in court here, we're just desperate wage earners who are trying to get more control on our own lives.
2. I would never bother to compare Zest and SW cause that's comparing apple and durian. Different things for different prices.

Please just stop all these pointing-calling-digging. I would be more than grateful if you could share information such as sales progress and project updates.

If u stop misleading/mis-sell/posting wrong information, I'll defo move on