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post Apr 25 2011, 12:39 PM

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Anyone can recommend a cheap NAS with bittorrent capability?
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post Apr 25 2011, 10:57 PM

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i just bought the dlink dns320. can some one recommend me which modem is suitable for nas??
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post Apr 26 2011, 01:57 AM

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If you are connecting completely using lan cables, make sure the router support gigabit and your computer support gigabit.
If your computer is using wireless instead, router - gigabit + wireless N (preferably 300mbps) and your computer also using wireless N (300mbps if possible)

If you use lan 100mbps or wireless G 54mbps... your NAS read/write speed will only come up to 4-10MB/s when connected over a network

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post May 7 2011, 04:21 AM

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1 question bout this NAS device that support torrents,
would the device itself support running VPN and crossing proxy?
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post May 7 2011, 08:30 AM

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Ain't this setting is in he modem router?
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post May 7 2011, 12:19 PM

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i don't want all my connection to run through VPN you see? only want the torrents to be running through...or else my entire speed would be dragged down if i circle the entire globe to reach 1 address isn't it? LOL
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hi guys interesting thread you have! Wish I found it earlier coz i am in planning to make a NAS/HTPC setup now.

wan to ask your opinion: I want a NAS box with at least a 3+1 disk RAID 5, outputs through HDMI to my TV. i dont plan to rip dvd or blue-ray, no gaming, it is on 24/7 for torrent so must be super low power usage and can record ASTRO. at the most 3 users will be connected at any one time. my options so far are:

a) Asus E35M1-I deluxe with PVR PCI-e card (3+1x3.5" RAID 5 "shared network folder" and 2x2.5" RAID 1 "OS,torrent and download")
b) HP Proliant N36L with PVR PCI-e card and dedicated GC with HDMI output (3+1x3.5" RAID 5 "shared network folder" and 1x2.5" "OS,torrent and download" nightly backup to USB attached 2.5"HDD)

cost wise i think both will total up to be the same more or less. Which one do you think will consume more power on the long run? have more computing overhead to allow for future proof? is more likely to be able to multitask (play HD movie from the NAS, transfer files through the network, torrent and download at the same time)?


planning to run on ubuntu software RAID back end and XBMC front end, admin if required through desktop GUI or SWAT. be patient with me... i am still new to servers and ubuntu. so if i get them wrong be kind tongue.gif
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Honestly i wouldn't suggest RAID 5 if you can set up ZFS.. Was using Raid 5 with 4 x 2TB drives and it was giving me countless headaches.. Especially when there's a sudden power failure.. The whole drive would just go out of sync and cannot rebuild.. (it shows rebuilding in status but still stuck at 0% after 4 days). Couldn't access the files on the server too as it would only work in burst mode... it'll transfer for couple seconds, then stop transferring..

In the end, had to reinstall back FreeNAS and wipe the whole drive. Good thing i only lost my movies, not my photos as i have a spare backup on my pc. Now i'm on ZFS and it's working great.. No hiccups even when my brother accidentally switched off the main power without the unit in shutdown mode.


Added on May 7, 2011, 1:19 pmRAID 5 has an inherent flaw in the system which that causes it to lose drive sync in the event of sudden power failure.. That is why you need to have a UPS as a backup (which i didn't).


Added on May 7, 2011, 1:21 pmI'd suggest for your purpose to go with the HP microserver with FreeNAS 0.7.2 (latest build) and get a media streamer to play all the files. Remember to install the FULL version of FreeNAS (not the embedded ones) as the Full Version allows you to install other packages such as PS3 Media Server. FUPPES that's built in to FreeNAS really sucks.. It can't transcode 1080p video files for PS3.

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QUOTE(raist86 @ May 7 2011, 01:18 PM)
Honestly i wouldn't suggest RAID 5 if you can set up ZFS.. Was using Raid 5 with 4 x 2TB drives and it was giving me countless headaches.. Especially when there's a sudden power failure.. The whole drive would just go out of sync and cannot rebuild.. (it shows rebuilding in status but still stuck at 0% after 4 days). Couldn't access the files on the server too as it would only work in burst mode... it'll transfer for couple seconds, then stop transferring..

In the end, had to reinstall back FreeNAS and wipe the whole drive. Good thing i only lost my movies, not my photos as i have a spare backup on my pc. Now i'm on ZFS and it's working great.. No hiccups even when my brother accidentally switched off the main power without the unit in shutdown mode.


Added on May 7, 2011, 1:19 pmRAID 5 has an inherent flaw in the system which that causes it to lose drive sync in the event of sudden power failure.. That is why you need to have a UPS as a backup (which i didn't).


Added on May 7, 2011, 1:21 pmI'd suggest for your purpose to go with the HP microserver with FreeNAS 0.7.2 (latest build) and get a media streamer to play all the files. Remember to install the FULL version of FreeNAS (not the embedded ones) as the Full Version allows you to install other packages such as PS3 Media Server. FUPPES that's built in to FreeNAS really sucks.. It can't transcode 1080p video files for PS3.
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that was priceless advise on the RAID 5. didnt know it can loose sync so easily, very important for me since my house for some reason VERY sensitive to power trips due to lighting strikes. i will keep that in mind if i decide to use RAID5, mayb just use a UPS otherwise.

yeah I have been leaning towards the microserver since i found out about it yesterday, mainly coz i am having problem sourcing the Asus E35M1-I. the only point of contention between the two is that the Asus has 5 SATA + 1eSATA connector (which I can re-route into the unit for 6SATA) vs d Proliant 4SATA + 1 SATA-through-PATA.
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QUOTE(wai_w3ng @ May 7 2011, 12:19 PM)
i don't want all my connection to run through VPN you see? only want the torrents to be running through...or else my entire speed would be dragged down if i circle the entire globe to reach 1 address isn't it? LOL
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Hm...I don't find any setting on my nas.


Added on May 7, 2011, 3:15 pm
QUOTE(raist86 @ May 7 2011, 01:18 PM)
Honestly i wouldn't suggest RAID 5 if you can set up ZFS.. Was using Raid 5 with 4 x 2TB drives and it was giving me countless headaches.. Especially when there's a sudden power failure.. The whole drive would just go out of sync and cannot rebuild.. (it shows rebuilding in status but still stuck at 0% after 4 days). Couldn't access the files on the server too as it would only work in burst mode... it'll transfer for couple seconds, then stop transferring..

In the end, had to reinstall back FreeNAS and wipe the whole drive. Good thing i only lost my movies, not my photos as i have a spare backup on my pc. Now i'm on ZFS and it's working great.. No hiccups even when my brother accidentally switched off the main power without the unit in shutdown mode.


Added on May 7, 2011, 1:19 pmRAID 5 has an inherent flaw in the system which that causes it to lose drive sync in the event of sudden power failure.. That is why you need to have a UPS as a backup (which i didn't).


Added on May 7, 2011, 1:21 pmI'd suggest for your purpose to go with the HP microserver with FreeNAS 0.7.2 (latest build) and get a media streamer to play all the files. Remember to install the FULL version of FreeNAS (not the embedded ones) as the Full Version allows you to install other packages such as PS3 Media Server. FUPPES that's built in to FreeNAS really sucks.. It can't transcode 1080p video files for PS3.
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Why don't get a UPS? You don't want take this risk right?

I m running raid5 with 4x2tb too. Whole yrs, I have countless of power trip from lightning storm. My data and hdd spoil longtime if not UPS.

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i do have plans for ups system.. but it's being built into my new apartment.. didn't want to get one now cos will be shifting there soon in a month or so... It'll be a redundant UPS by then..
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guys I have spent pretty much the whole day gleaming through the reviews and tutorials on setting up the HP Proliant N36L i might actually get this after all!

misunderstood an Arstechnical forum entry earlier regarding the Proliant. when I first read it I thought that you could not run a device using the internal SATA connection and eSATA at the same time. the poster was actually taking about connecting the eSATA to a SATA port multiplier. so it looks like I can actually still run 6x hard drives in this thing! whoopee!

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For those still following, the eSATA port on the HP is not port multiplier capable. I suspected as much after I noticed the eSATA port sits on the same IXP bridge as the 5th internal SATA port(the BIOS will detect any device connected as the primary master, while the internal SATA port is the primary slave), but confirmed it today with a EdgeStor DAS501T. With it attached, the HP will hang at the BIOS disk detection stage 75% of the time, and when booted into an OS, the eSATA port only sees a single disk(regardless of whether the DAS was powered on pre- or post-OS start).



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there's no problem running 6 sata drives.. although i limit myself to 4 on one NAS as more drives = more points of failure plus it's not an elegant NAS solution anymore. Will be getting another proliant once i shift to my new place. The current system will be relegated to media server only while important files will be stored on the backup server.

Hard disks are going at a relatively cheap price now... did my whole server for around 1.8k.. significantly less than buying a 4 bay synology or qnap server.
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yeah which is why i am getting a fully fledged system unlike synology or qnaps ready NAS. it maybe easier to setup... but for a 4 bay synology already cost rm2-3k with out hdd. with rm3k i can pimp my server to the brim and still have enough spare cash to buy all the beer to help me through setting up the system. biggrin.gif

just checked TS-459PRO II now RM 3.4k without hdd

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that's the reason why i went with the microserver build route.. i can buy two NAS with just one QNAP or Synology 4bay systems...
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btw, I just realized my modem router aren't gigabit. Any good/cheap gigabit ethernet to recommend out there?
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QUOTE(raist86 @ May 9 2011, 10:21 AM)
that's the reason why i went with the microserver build route.. i can buy two NAS with just one QNAP or Synology 4bay systems...
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I choose synology than other. I m not that experience with network or server.

I want easy setup, maintain, stable running and many application. Rather just for backup.

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freenas is stable.. application wise, if you install the full version, you can always add on other freebsd packages like ovpn, ps3media server, and etc..

Plus having zfs is a great advantage.. initially it'll require quite abit of learning on how to set it up and maintaining it, after that, it's pretty much hassle free with the periodic snapshots set up..
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Hi there,

Anyone here using Buffalo LinkStation Pro Duo? Need to ask a few questions. Thanks
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 9 2011, 10:46 AM)
I choose synology than other. I m not that experience with network or server.

I want easy setup, maintain, stable running and many application. Rather just for backup.
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u can try TP-Llink Tl-1043ND.. I'm using it as my main router with an additional 8port gigabit switch as extension. It's relatively inexpensive and the firmware can be modded to dd-wrt. Another plus side is that it runs N wifi.. not draft N but final N.. 300mbps..

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