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post Mar 8 2012, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(miss mandy @ Mar 8 2012, 11:00 AM)
sometimes when i need fast cool down then i will switch my old national ac at home to 16 degrees  thumbup.gif .

i have 2 daikin ac in my office nw. both in seperated small room, 1hp each. i dont feel cold at 18 degres compared to my 12yrs old national ac. fyi bpth daikin are working fine.. btw daikin ac very quiet  thumbup.gif

now i m nt sure if i wanna install it on my new house..

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Have you measure it reach 16c?
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post Mar 8 2012, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(miss mandy @ Mar 8 2012, 12:45 PM)
no i dint use thermometer to measure.
but the national ac can cool down my room vry fast n it feels colder compared to daikin ac.
i hv 3 national ac at home
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Most likely because your National have higher BTU, allow faster cooling. Just like york. And this National is reliable, my inlaw house have a 1.5hp national still running strong.
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post Mar 19 2012, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(skng03 @ Mar 19 2012, 11:36 PM)
For me i will choose york because of the real clock timer on, off function.....but your money your choice
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Don't know about Mitsu or other brand, I know Panasonic also have real clock timer.
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post Mar 19 2012, 11:50 PM

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Sharp Ionizer? Lazy to go check my sharp remote. But non Ionizer sharp don't have.

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post Mar 24 2012, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 24 2012, 08:04 PM)
Over 4ft you have to pay. Not sure still apply or not.
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I thought is 10 ft? and all expose. Conceal extra lots of extra charges.
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post Mar 25 2012, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 24 2012, 11:42 PM)
10ft very long Loh. The std package is 4ft. Just enough for the outer unit opposite your wall. No conceal. That is why u see a lot of outer unit just outside the wall.
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Not 4tf lah, my previous house more than 4 ft, did not charge. Nearly 10ft.
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post Mar 25 2012, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 25 2012, 09:13 AM)
They charge me after 4ft. The pipe run more than 10ft. The std package I brought come with free nstallation of 4ft. I have heard few said the same. So assume it is a std.
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I don't know now. Last year in expo they also say free installation upto 10 ft. Maybe can go other place to check.
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post Mar 25 2012, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(vetkin_gray @ Mar 25 2012, 11:40 AM)
Isit okay for an aircon of 1hp to share the same power point (2G) with a refrigerator of 500 hp?
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500hp you need 11kv power
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post Mar 31 2012, 02:44 PM

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I try not to use any korean A/C, few of my friends (not the latest model) using korean brand having problem like noise, and frequent breakdown.
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post Apr 2 2012, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(Reyz @ Apr 2 2012, 08:17 PM)
guys for a room about 14ft x 17 usually need how much HP aircond to run effectively?planning to use Panasonic 1HP inverter AC
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Not enough. Minimal 1.5, best will be 2hp.
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post Apr 2 2012, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 2 2012, 10:27 PM)
1HP is good enough, my master room even bigger than 14x17, I just use 1HP hitachi inverter.

Unless the room windows are facing west, and it needs to be turned on during daytime, then may consider to use 1.5HP
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Also depend what is your temperature setting. To me is better oversize than undersize. Size like mine using 1HP is over work. Just like a heavy car with 2L engine drink more fuel than a 3L same car, and the power is there when you need it.


Added on April 2, 2012, 10:52 pm
QUOTE(slackinux @ Apr 2 2012, 10:40 PM)
For a big master room, 22ft x 15ft with a bathroom attached 6ft x 6ft.
Do you think 1.5HP Inverter or 2.0HP Inverter saves more energy ?
Bear in mind that 2.0HP Inverter consumers more power than 1.5HP.
But 2.0 HP takes less time to cold down the room than 1.5HP.

If both Inverter, 1.5HP or 2.0HP saves more energy? Please explain here. Thanks.
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2 and 1.5hp piping is the same. And some installer told me even better to use 2.5 piping because if not enough power can still upgrade without doing piping. In a hot day, 2hp will cool the room faster, and than switch to lower the compressor. 1.5hp may take slightly longer to cool the room to desire temperature.

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post Apr 3 2012, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(soonyeap @ Apr 3 2012, 12:45 AM)
They have standard sizing for copper piping, else heat transfer wont be efficient and also you might suffer liquid refrigerant returned to your compressor and very soon, your compressor will be dead !
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Heat transfer is not on the copper piping. Is on the Compressor, when you install larger piping, the a/c installer just need to top the gas to ensure pressure is there.


Added on April 3, 2012, 9:30 am
QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 2 2012, 11:01 PM)
Use this calculator to choose your aircond

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home/air-c...oner-calculator
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Your link do not take account of outside temperature. To actually calculate correct size you need to know the average temperature of the weather during the operation time.

Try use this

http://www.calculator.net/btu-calculator.html

http://papamy.panasonic.com.my/papamy/horse.html


And from York Malaysia <http://www.york.com.my/main.asp?tpage=faq>


It is not easy to estimate the actual heat load of a room without going through some tedious calculation. You are advised to consult air conditioner contractors before you decide on the equipment. Bring along the plan and measurement of your room and be specific what is the function of the room, is it a bedroom or a living room?

There is however, a rule of thumb that could give you a rough estimation of the required cooling capacity. This can be achieved by doing a simple calculation.

First, multiply the volume of your room in cubic feet with a factor of 6. Determine the number of person using the room and multiply with 500Btu/hr, as each person produces 500Btu/hr of heat for normal activity. Add these two together, and you get the estimated cooling capacity.

The calculation just now is for bedroom only. For other applications, the factor has to be changed. This rule of thumb calculation is just for estimation purposes. It is advised to reconfirm with your air conditioner contractors again before you place your order.

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post Apr 3 2012, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(soonyeap @ Apr 3 2012, 10:00 AM)
Copper piping ofcourse is not for heat transfer, heat transfer being done at condenser and evaporator coil. When you have too much refrigerant in a designed coil that take not that much, you will have too little or non superheat, that will tend to liquid form refrigerant to be returned to your compressor which is definately a no no to HVAC design. Im in HVAC design industry for years, and deal with big chillers, ahu... i know what im talking about... Just my two cents, follows the recommended installation guide.
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I know what you mean. The difference between 1.5hp and 2.5hp piping is not significant to have this problem. Anyway, this also recommend by my friend who run a chiller service and installer company.
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post Apr 3 2012, 11:30 AM

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We are here to exchange ideas, and get feedback smile.gif

Knowledge is to share. Not to keep.
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post Apr 3 2012, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(slackinux @ Apr 3 2012, 02:01 PM)
after calculate the total BTU, my master room requires slightly more than 1.5HP but less than 2.0 HP. Shall i go for 1.75HP as i know Panasonic has 1.75HP Inverter
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I think better get common spec, like 2hp. Can ask them use 2.5HP piping, because 2.5HP piping can be use for 2hp too. After I install 2hp piping in my living room, my friend told me can use 2.5hp piping, in future if 2hp not enough cooling can change to 2.5hp


Added on April 3, 2012, 3:16 pm
QUOTE(slackinux @ Apr 3 2012, 02:07 PM)
1 HP for 25sqm room enough? Panasonic is testing their 1.5 HP Inverter A/C in a even smaller room which is 16.2 sqm and test result shows that 50% more energy saving compare to 1.5 none Inveter A/C.

http://papamy.panasonic.com.my/papamy/features.html
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It say up to 50%, notice the key word "up to", and is usually under control environment. No doubt for long operation hours of a/c inverter do save some. Exact really don't know.

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post Apr 3 2012, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(skng03 @ Apr 3 2012, 03:36 PM)
different brand have different piping size one  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif 

1.0 hp copper pipe size 1/4" + 3/8"
copper piping 1/4" + 1/2" 1.5hp york, 1.5hp n 2.0hp for pana.
Copper piping 1/4" + 5/8", 2.0hp n 2.5 hp york, 2.5 for panasonic

3/8" + 3/4" for 3.0hp
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Thanks for the info, i do recall something about 5/8" my friend told me. If not mistaken many will use 1/4" & 5/8" for 2hp and above.
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post Apr 3 2012, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Apr 3 2012, 04:24 PM)
as i said: it will totally depend on many factors. major factor overlooked: how well or badly is the room insulated and how big is the air-exchange? 25 sqm is absolutely enough if the room is insulated.
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post Apr 3 2012, 09:35 PM

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Want real cooling, but don't mind the noise. Get York or Acson.
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post Apr 4 2012, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Apr 4 2012, 02:59 AM)
What you want the Real time for? You use it as time?
Just set the timer for How long you want it start or stop when need, instead of a timer to start in where keep let the aircon in standby mode.
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Like Sharp, only have running timer. Not clock timer. Clock timer you can set what time it switch on, and what time it switch off.
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post Apr 4 2012, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(soonyeap @ Apr 4 2012, 09:28 AM)
Just remember, never it is cold air go out, it is how to preven heat from coming in. Check all heat source including all electronic gadgets, windows, etc... Heat transfer always from hot to cold...


Added on April 4, 2012, 9:33 am

I would say R410A its just environmental friendly compare to R22. Its all about gas characteristic.
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In some country, they stop using R22 for new equipment, but use difference direct replacement gas for same identical machine, even same copper. Think in global market there are few direct replaceable gas for R22 without modifying the HVAC.

My friend been bring some of difference direct replacement gas via Singapore for testing. All he can say, is hell hard to bring in gas to Malaysia, lots of restriction and special permit... you know what. The loosing end is the customer.

He tested some, and seem to have good feedback. But all he can do is just small quantity for testing.

R410A in technical analysis is not very efficient at higher temperature.

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