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post Apr 22 2014, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(akira982443 @ Apr 22 2014, 09:27 PM)
Samsung WM WF906U4SAGD/SP 9KG  2599/2680
Hitachi 510 series Big Drum FL WM BD-W85SV 2350/1750
Electrolux FL WM EWF14012 10KG  3120/3050
Electrolux FL WM EWF12022 10KG  2940/2850

*Shop 1
*Shop 2

i guess the shop 2 quote me a wrong price on Hitachi

location JB. i email them for the quotation. i think should be cheaper if go personally to their shop
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Cash or CC also price different a bit

QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Apr 22 2014, 11:06 PM)
Big different between Shop 1 and Shop 2 for Hitachi, I am still surveying the quality and reliability of Hitachi.
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You won't be wrong much when getting Japanese brands.
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post Apr 23 2014, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(mcloudteo @ Apr 23 2014, 09:44 AM)
How about Panasonic NA-140VX3 vs Hitachi BD-W85SV? both also Japanese  tongue.gif

I'm thinking of these 3 Samsung WF1124XAC, Panasonic NA-140VX3 and Hitachi BD-W85SV.

bit concern about the drum capacity BD-W85SV just 8.5 kg wonder can fit the windows curtain?
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10kg will be more practical.
For my case, I usually wash it 2-3 times.
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post Apr 23 2014, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(mcloudteo @ Apr 23 2014, 10:07 AM)
mind to share which washing machine you use?
my windows curtain very long (around 8 ft) and thick, if can wash 2 3 times i don't mind i scare 1 also can't fit  doh.gif
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Toshiba, bought 8 years ago.
Best part is the motor starts to give small problems after warranty over(7 years) doh.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(mcloudteo @ Apr 23 2014, 02:57 PM)
7 years? for me it's good investment already if no problem for so long period of time.  rolleyes.gif
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The question is, will the same brand still can last so long?
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post Apr 23 2014, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Apr 23 2014, 09:31 PM)
What type of small problem? Lound sound? excessive vibration?
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Spot on rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Apr 23 2014, 09:47 PM)
Maybe just call for a washing machine repairman to give the motor some slight lubrication will do...
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I want to change to new 1 icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif
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post Apr 24 2014, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(lot101 @ Apr 24 2014, 10:48 AM)
My old washing machine refuse to die. Made in Japan Sanyo ASWU 100T lets see it followed me from the old apartment about 15 years, it developed a defect about 5 years ago. At the end of the cycle it does not stop completely and the clunk noise when its suppose to stop. Repair cost about rm700/=. I can live it that anomaly so I left it.

The problems I had with it was mainly the owners manuals were all in Nippon  blink.gif

Now I am looking for something newer.

Prerequisites are :

a) low water consumption

b) low power consumption

c) hot water function

d) as durable as my old Sanyo

The one I am looking at is LG WF-HX120GV, LG site says it uses 16 liters of water per cycle I find this unbelievable.
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With hot water function means it won't save power doh.gif
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post Apr 24 2014, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(lot101 @ Apr 24 2014, 11:57 AM)
hmmm lets see the relevance of your face palm...did it hurt ?  laugh.gif

Can be warm, its just to get the detergent to work harder. Thats what a chemical engineer I trust said, and I believe you can find more data on the net regarding this.

hot/warm water = less detergent = lower rinse cycle = less water.  less cycle = less power.

Which a lot of manufacturers take into account by using different incoming data like weight, water temperature etc etc.

Old skoolers who wash by hand for more times then the electricity gets cut would know what I mean.
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It is still depending to type of cloths we are washing. And I'm using natural warm water(as the water tank are exposed to hot sun, but will be cold water if raining season).
The strategy I'm using now is, when washing with detergent, I use 12l of water lesser(since the selector only 12, 24, 36, 48, 60). Then rinsing will add back the 12l.
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post Apr 24 2014, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(lot101 @ Apr 24 2014, 12:40 PM)
For me everything goes into the machine, if its delicate then it goes into a mesh bag (I have a lot of mesh bags). If its dry care, it will get intoxicated at my fav dry cleaner who is too far away or if I get too lazy it goes into the machine and I press dry care. 

Any ways, I am just asking if there are any other top loaders which are efficient or even more efficient and durable..
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Efficient in terms of hmm.gif
Durable I can't really say, as if the WM can last for 10 years, they won't able to make money from you for the next 10 years. If manufacturers got this in mind, then it won't last long whistling.gif
What I notice is, if don't put it to max load, it can last longer.
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post Apr 25 2014, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Apr 24 2014, 10:23 PM)
Top loader is never water savers
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That's right, but considering the price difference and maintenance cost(don't really research front loader), I guess using some "extra" water are not much an issue.
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post Apr 26 2014, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Apr 25 2014, 07:19 PM)
Yup, need to put just enough detergent. And front loader need special low sud detergent. I need to educate and enforce my mum on how to operate it at first as she always think that no "buih" not clean. But now... yup, the front loader works great thumbup.gif
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Just did window shopping at SenQ while my wife doing her shopping in Jusco.
See the price of Electrolux FL, most of the models starting price are > rm23** and capacity of 7-8KG. And see that they are boasting that it only consume 8-8.5l water per kg. So it uses maximum of 68l of water under full load.
Then I check out current TL models, a 10kg only cost rm13**-14** and uses 60-70l of water.
So when comparing both on full load, TL actually save more water as 1kg only need 6-7l of water.
Electrolux FL do have a model that uses 7.5l, but it cost rm35**.
So to save 0.5l of water I need to pay extra rm1000. If I wash daily, 30 days run I only save 0.5*3(wash and rinse 3 times)*30=45l of water. In Seremban, 1000l of water only cost rm0.50.

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post Apr 28 2014, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Apr 28 2014, 10:09 PM)
But it is not apple to apple comparison as front load normally comes with hot water wash and also water pump so that your drain pipe can put higher  icon_idea.gif
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Well, if savings on $$$ are a concern, FL shall not be considered at the beginning, heating up water need power and power need money.
Anyway, I could be wrong on comparing like this, but water usage, time needed and power consumption are something I want to see and compare hmm.gif

QUOTE(H2D @ Apr 28 2014, 10:52 PM)
while deciding for a new washer...

i have watched a few videos on utube how FL works,

i have noticed that...
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When comparing both TL and FL, I never noticed on the time needed. Currently my TL need 30-40 minutes for full 10KG load.
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post Apr 29 2014, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Apr 29 2014, 09:50 PM)
Yup, heating up water indeed required a lot of power, but it maybe needed for baby clothing, or some other stubborn stains. It is an added feature which I think may come in handy once n a while
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Actually warm water are quite damaging to rubber seal sweat.gif
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post Apr 29 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Apr 29 2014, 09:58 PM)
Ooo blink.gif  I don't know that... hmmm  hmm.gif the engineer of the washing machine will not design using too lousy plastic I guess, else it it leaks... then complaint kao kao... but I target washing machine life span to be 7 years... so... already entering year 4 now rclxms.gif . Keep my finger crossed
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Rubber and plastic are different laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
I target the WM to serve me forever icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 29 2014, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(mcloudteo @ Apr 29 2014, 10:03 PM)
I uploaded a video I don't know whether this consider loud or not.

I put up a glass of water can see the vibration through the water, the pump on and off the whole video can hear clearly, at the end of the video the spinning noise like not balance vibrate a lot.

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Looks like it is still new?
Such test I can say are useless for new WM.
Should test it after few years.
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post Apr 29 2014, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(mcloudteo @ Apr 29 2014, 10:27 PM)
Not really useless. It's can serve as a guideline on how the machine is perform before you buy the actual thing or you can compare with different model or different brand machine that you have.
louder, quieter, less vibration? etc.
for long lasting of the product of course this video is not for that purpose.
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My Toshiba TL only starts to give excessive vibration after 7 years, that's 3 days after the warranty shakehead.gif
To ensure the WM can serve you long, make sure when washing big item stuff, don't add others.
And because my WM already "old", when washing big item, it tends to tilted 1 side which will hold the spin step.
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post Apr 29 2014, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(mcloudteo @ Apr 29 2014, 10:35 PM)
If this Hitachi can last 7 years+ without giving me problem I'm more than happy de.  tongue.gif
btw I found the final spin for Panasonic VG4 as comparison.

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So, take my advise, then hope it can serve you 7 years thumbup.gif
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post May 1 2014, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Apr 30 2014, 10:02 PM)
rclxub.gif forever. wao. You must be kidding right?
It is already a blessing if it can last through out the 8 years motor warranty period.
Besides, electic goods nowadyas aren't as lasting as they used to.
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Motor won't really fail fast, but other parts will not be same.
As per DRB-Hicom's boss when defending his Proton always failed power window, the life time = 10 years rclxub.gif

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post May 1 2014, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(mcloudteo @ May 1 2014, 06:11 AM)
Lets compare both top loader (AJ-S80MX) and front loader (BD-W80MV) from Hitachi (source from the URL below)

Electrical and Mechanical Services Department Hong Kong

Brand--------Model------------------Annual Energy (kWh/Yr)------Water Consumption
HITACHI-----AJ-S80MV(8kg)-------40.3 (3.36 per month)---------127.7 (20 cycle = 2554l)
HITACHI-----BD-W80MV(8kg)------159(13.25 per month)---------48(20 cycle = 960l)

*base on Monthly Energy 13.25kWh = 20 cycle as cotton cycle around 0.68 kWh according to manual.
I) conclusion is TL use 1/4 Energy compare to FL but TL use 3X Water compare to FL.

II) so convert to dollar and cents in Selangor 1000 litre = RM0.57 so TL = RM1.46 and FL = RM0.55

III) 1 kWh = RM0.128 so TL = RM0.43 and FL = 1.7

IV) Total TL = RM1.89 and FL = RM2.25 per month (20 cycle)

V) personally I prefer FL as it's more gentle to clothing, my mom also notice the same as we switch from FL -> TL then back to FL  tongue.gif

VI) as for cost saving it's not that much different just 0.36 cents or 0.018 cents per cycle,  but the investment cost TL definitely cheaper than FL.  rclxms.gif

hope this one help.  wink.gif
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10 unit of power expensive or 1600l of water cheap whistling.gif
Not to mention time needed for FL need compare to TL rclxub.gif
As old man said : time = money.
If because of using FL I need to wait 0.5 hour more especially during spring cleaning time need to wash multiple laundries, by the time I complete all, the sun going to say bye bye already doh.gif
And if talk about ergonomics, FL fail as we need to bend down to take out laundries. Not good for back for long term shakehead.gif Again, additional cost will be needed on visiting a doctor and taking medicine.
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post May 1 2014, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ May 1 2014, 09:47 AM)
Wow.. never thought that front load uses so much energy hmm.gif I guess rotating the drum horizontally needs more energy compare to spinning it vertically
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I always see the initial cost only whistling.gif
Today I only know it is an energy waster doh.gif
Another reason I don't buy is the rubber seal looks cartoon and not safe from children, also full load are lesser than TL models.

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